Channel 4’s Alex Thomson’s source at the SPL yesterday confirmed that the league will not proceed with their hearing into Rangers illegal registration of players until Sevco agrees to be bound by its findings. This is curious as Item 12 (Sanctions) from the SFA’s ‘List of items required to accompany application for transfer of full membership’ from Rangers to Sevco, an application which Sevco have already made, obliged Sevco to agreed to be bound by these findings.
The relevant part of the transfer application reads:
“Confirmation that Sevco will accept such sanctions as are proposed by the Scottish FA in relation to current proceedings.
Confirmation re EBT sanction position at SPL level and subsequent appeal to Scottish FA.
Confirmation that Sevco will accept responsibility for any breach of the Articles etc by Oldco which has not so far come to light.”
If Sevco have not accepted the terms of the SFA membership application there seems little point putting Scottish Football League clubs through such dramas this week. An alternative explanation is that Sevco have completed their application in full but the SPL have no plausible excuse for delaying tier investigation into illegal registration of players, so have used an implausible excuse.
Neither explanation is tenable. Things are not going to plan for the national bodies.
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Auld Neil Lennon heid,
The problem with your argument is of course Bosman.
It was proven irrefutably by the Bosman case that where a player’s contract had come to an end they had no right to hold on to the registration (with the youth player caveat of course)
B
Or C67 (UK) …..?
There’s something a bit fishy about that red herring!
Ok guys every two years I post this on CQN. I know it has nothing to do with football or Celtic but I do feel it is imperative that all the young bhoys … hey and some of us older ones too (not me naturally) get a little hand …. a wee lift over … with one of lives most enduring riddles wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
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For Men – How to Answer Your Woman Part 1
IT IS SATURDAY, a crisp spring afternoon, and you’re exactly where you should be: stretched out on the couch in front of the television, just about to watch all your favourite TV programmes that you’ve recorded over the last few weeks. Opening beer number two, relaxed in the knowledge that the pizza you ordered is even now on its way. Nothing could improve this moment, except maybe a bigger television. Suddenly your girlfriend enters the room and says, “What exactly do you think you’re doing?”
Is this a trick question or what?
Yes, it is. The trick is that no matter how you answer it, you will immediately find yourself driving down to your nearest home improvement centre, where you will spend the rest of the afternoon trying to decide the type of curtain rod that’s right for you.
How does this work?
It has as much to do with the nature of the question itself as with anything else. Women are expert at posing questions that seem to have no right answer. Here’s a common example.
Do I look fat?
There is no answer to this question that won’t be interpreted “yes.” “No” means yes. “Yes” means yes. “I don’t know” means yes. “It doesn’t matter” means yes. The briefest hint of a pause before speaking means yes, yes, yes. Most of us would rather go to the dentist than field this one, yet it may well come up several times a week. Your only real choice is to say “no,” clearly and immediately, leaving no possibility for any subtext, and making it sound like a widely acknowledged fact and not simply your opinion. This doesn’t work, but all the other options are worse.
There are several other questions for which “no” is the only answer, and several more that call for an emphatic and unqualified yes. In all of these cases, elaboration, justification or any attempt to be funny is unlikely to pay off.
Consult this handy chart:
JUST SAY NO
* Is there someone else?
* Do you still fantasize about her?
* Are you tired of me?
JUST SAY YES
* Do you still love me?
* Do you ever fantasize about me?
* Do you like my hair this way?
Steinreignedsupreme on 10 July, 2012 at 13:19 said
I suppose I just needed to Wake Up.
My final note on Burley.
I remember mid way through his second season at Derby ( MO’N first season at Celtic ) Burley gave an interview.
After the usual questions about how he was doing down south he went on to talk about the circumstances of how he left Celtic.
He was then asked if he ever gave any thought to what might have been if he had stuck it out at Celtic ,
and to have been part of what was happening under Martin O’Neill.
He answered
” Only every day”
The Onlooker
I bleed/Philbhoy
I have in the last two minutes spoken to my source,the problem is nailing it down,I believe there is something,but would be a fool to put it out without 100/ proof.HH
I may have missed it on here, but with the discussion on who to promote to SPL (Which I expect Dundee as 2nd place in SFL to get) where is the discussion on who gets their place in Division 1, and the knock on to Division 2, we know there is other applicants to the SFL division 3.
Should we congratulate Arbroath (or Brechin City play off losers) on their promotion to Division 1?
Should we congratulate Queens Park (or Annan Athletic Play off losers) on their promotion to Divsion 2?
Surely these teams have a case, a far stronger one than Sevco?
For Men – How to Answer Your Woman Part 2
Unfortunately, many female inquiries require more than a simple yes or no response. Some of them are more like riddles. Such as this one:
Which shoes look better?
Typically you’re already late for dinner when your girlfriend confronts you, with one pair of shoes on and another alongside them. This is no ordinary choice. It’s a devious chicken/egg puzzler, the sort of choice that would lead even Hobson to say to Mrs. Hobson, “Whichever, you old trout!” If you pick the shoes she already has on, she’ll think you’re trying to hurry her. If you pick the other pair, she’ll think it’s because you know you can’t pick the ones she has on. Some men try a nonlinear approach and opt for a third, unoffered pair of shoes, but this is inevitably taken as either an attack on her judgment or an opportunity for her to attack yours. On no account suggest another dress. You might as well say, “You’re fat.”
This raises the question of why she’s asking you at all. She knows you don’t know which shoes look better, and she knows you don’t care, so why is she trying to elicit your opinion? This is part of an ongoing campaign to domesticate you. As part of the same campaign, she will occasionally consult you about alternative table settings or new towels. In these two cases a disdainful and dismissive “beats me” should do the trick, but don’t try that with the shoe dilemma, or you’ll miss your reservation. Instead, suggest that she try on the other shoes, then tell her the first ones look better. This lets you more or less off the hook, as long as you don’t raise a fuss when she decides that the second pair are better after all.
Where do you see this relationship going?
This could be described as an essay question, since you’re obviously not going to get away with snappy little answers such as “forward” or “upstairs” or “I dunno.” Another problem is that you and your girlfriend are operating at cross purposes here. She wants a heartfelt expression of your feelings and an honest assessment of your future together, and you want an easier question. There is certainly no point in answering a toe-curling query like this one without at least a rough idea of precisely what it is she wants to hear. Questions such as this one are a category unto themselves, i.e., Questions that should be answered with another question. See how easily some of the more difficult leading inquiries can be parried through the simple deployment of reflexive interrogation.
Her: Where do you see this relationship going?
You: Where do *you* see this relationship going?
Her: Do you think she’s attractive?
You: Who?
Her: Will you marry me?
You: Where am I?
Her: What if I were pregnant?
You: Are you pregnant?
Her: Why? Do I look fat?
Whoops! We’re in a bit of trouble here. You should have seen that coming. Try a more surreal approach:
Her: What if I were pregnant?
You: What if *we* were pregnant? …. (Cool, huh?)
BromleyBhoy on 10 July, 2012 at 13:30 said:
Does the contract not only come to an end when the Liquidator formally takes over …??
For Men – How to Answer Your Woman Part 3
Some all-purpose question-answers include: How much is a lot? Why do you ask? Should I be? What are you saying? Does it matter? What’s love got to do with it? Are you talking to me? (Note: Are you having your period? is not one of these.)
Let’s try a math question. How many people have you slept with? Hmmmmm….Now, you can tell her the truth, unless the truth is more than 12, or you can have a guess at the number she’s more or less expecting. Like most arithmetic problems, the answer is a lot easier once you have a formula. This one should work as long as neither of you has sex for a living.
Number of people she’s slept with
+ Number of people she knows you’ve slept with
+ Number of people you actually have slept with.
Add these up and divide by 2. If you round up to the nearest whole person, you should end up with a realistically healthy but not particularly shocking number. If the result is greater than 12, then _say_ 12.
Why don’t you lighten up?
This rhetorical gem is used whenever you express your disapproval of shoplifting or speeding, or whenever you go to a nightclub and spend the whole time dancing to some unbelievable crap you’ve never heard and _then_ go out and _buy_ it! There is no good answer to this question. You could draw attention to her inconsistency in this matter, noting that she doesn’t like it when you act like a kid or when you act like your _dad_ (God forbid); then again, if you do that, she’s liable to see your point and break up with you. Speaking of breaking up, how about this one?
Are you saying you want to end it?
Women, like lawyers, rarely ask a direct question, unless they already know what the answer will be. As for women lawyers, I don’t know what they do, and I’m pretty sure I don’t want to know. The point is, when a woman asks you this question, she knows you’re going to say no. Even if you want to say yes, you’ll say no. You can’t turn the question back on her, because you have no idea what her answer is going to be. If you are trying to break up with her, you’ll have to say no and start the whole painful process again. If you aren’t trying to break up with her, then it’s best to change the subject. Let’s try something easier.
Notice anything different about me?
Well, slightly easier. This question is of a piece with two others: “Have you forgotten what today is?” and “Have you been listening to a word I’ve said?” Apart from being questions that are easier to answer wrong than right, they’re the kinds of things women say in sitcoms. They are best treated in an ironic postmodern context, i.e., just say what Ward Cleaver would say.
Her: Notice anything different about me?
You: New apron? … (Ouch!)
Her: Have you forgotten what today is?
You: Of course not. It’s Thursday.
Her: Have you been listening to a word I’ve said?
You: That’s nice, dear…
Funny, huh? Well, it’s not your fault if she doesn’t get it. If she wants a better answer, she’s going to have to start asking better questions.
For Men – How to Answer Your Woman Part 4
Questions such as:
Have you taken a look at yourself lately? This question and its cousin, the almost always uncalled for “Who do you think you are?” are ways of gently reminding you how much of a factor pity was in her original decision to go out with you, and how that decision could be rescinded if you behave in any way that cannot be described as abject. You probably brought this rebuke on yourself by mentioning that you reckon Brad Pitt is getting a little chubby or by speculating that Jack Nicholson doesn’t have to wait until his birthday for oral sex. You’re not really supposed to answer either of these questions. You’re just supposed to apologise for your wanton self-esteem-having. Instead of apologizing, just smile. Your manifold inadequacies as a boyfriend – nay, as a man – are a kind of revenge all by themselves. Next!
Do you believe in fidelity?
Like most philosophical questions that seem to pop up out of the blue, this question doesn’t pop up out of the blue. This general query about fidelity is in fact a coded inquiry about the extent of your fidelity on a specific occasion or occasions. Your response will also have to be coded. Consult this translation chart before giving your answer:
YOU SAY – Yes
YOU MEAN – How much does she know?
SHE THINKS – He’s hiding something.
YOU SAY – It depends
YOU MEAN – How much does she know?
SHE THINKS – I knew it!
YOU SAY – Why do you ask
YOU MEAN – How much does she know?
SHE THINKS – Bastard!
YOU SAY – I dunno. Do you?
YOU MEAN – How much does she know?
SHE THINKS – How much does he know?
There are several more variations, but they’re not worth going into. By the time she asks you this question, you’re already in deep trouble. It doesn’t really matter what you say, as long as you don’t blush when you answer.
For Men – How to Answer Your Woman Part 5
Let’s look at an example that calls for more straightforward lying.
What are you looking at?
She means, “You were looking at that girl, weren’t you?” And you thought you’d perfected that trick of keeping your neck still and just letting your eyes swivel. Obviously, the truth is not the best answer here. We all know that the truth can set you free, sometimes before you’ve found somewhere else to stay. It may seem easy enough to answer this question with a cunning lie, but when men are caught offguard, their ability to deceive is impaired.
Here are a few of the more common mistakes men make when asked, “What are you looking at?”
* Too specific: The rust around the bolts on the handle on the flap of that mailbox on the northwest corner.”
* Not specific enough: “That thing.”
* Too good to be true: “A diamond necklace in that window back there that would be perfect on you.”
* Too true to be good: “A see through nightie in that window back there that would be perfect on you.”
* Too obvious: “Nothing.”
* Way too obvious: “That blonde babe over there with the big…I mean nothing.”
Here’s one that requires a little interpretation.
What are we going to do now?
This one often crops up whenever some kind of emergency or seemingly unsolvable problem arises. The part that requires interpretation is the mysterious “we” in the middle. This means two things: In one sense, “we” clearly means “you,” as in, “What are you going to do now,” but there is also a sense of “we’re in this together,” implying that you bear equal responsibility for the fact that she’s just dropped her keys down a grate, or that she stores her jack and spare tire in her garage so they won’t get stolen.
In such situations you’ll probably find that the only answer to “What are we going to do now?” that you can think of is “We are going to break up. Goodbye.” Most likely you’ll decide not to say anything. After which she will probably let loose with the rather ill-advised:
Why don’t you say something?
Whether you answer this one is up to you. There is only one question that you should never, ever answer. Keep silent, cower behind your Fifth Amendment rights, pretend you didn’t hear, run away, whatever, but don’t say anything when she asks:
Should I get all of my hair cut off?
If you say anything, then when she does get all her hair cut off (and let’s face it, she’s already made up her mind) and she hates it (and she will hate it), it will be your fault. Even if you say absolutely nothing, the best you can hope for is that she will come home with all her hair cut off, stare you straight in the eye and say:
Does it make me look fat!!?
…..You’re on your own…..
Not fully up to date , can someone explain.
Some sfl clubs are voting for sevco in div 3 .
All good so far , however I thought the sfl board once sevco have been accepted into the sfl were going to engineer there entry in div 1 .
I suppose if there is a significant majority of clubs voting for div 3 the board could not ride roughshod over that . Hopefully.
The area around Cleator Moor is known as ‘Little ireland’, after so many Irishmen and women moved there to work in the iron mines.
‘Following the Irish Potato Famine in the 1840s and the rise of the Orange Order, Cleator Moor found itself for a short period at the centre of sectarian troubles. In April 1871 several hundred Cleator Moor miners entered neighbouring Whitehaven and attacked “Anti-Popery” campaigner William Murphy, pushing him down the stairs of the Oddfellows Hall. The following year Murphy died, possibly as a result of his injuries. On 12 July 1884 the combined Orange Lodges of Cumberland, marched through the town of Cleator Moor to commemorate the Battle of the Boyne, leading to riots and the death of local postal messenger Henry Tumelty, a 17-year-old Catholic, with others listed as having received injuries from bullets, cutlasses and pikes. Local Catholics later took revenge on members of the Orange Order living in the town.’
Half Time Tombola on 10 July, 2012 at 13:14 said:
cheers. I am aware of Cleator Moor celtic as well – they featured on Grandstand back in the 90s… they do indeed wear the hoops, and one of their players back then was the spit of Daniel Fergus McGrain.
Nicola Sturgeon has called Hampden “a fantastic facility”. She’s obviously not had to use the facilities in the main part of the ground or sat anywhere but among the monied.
swindonbhoy on 10 July, 2012 at 13:14 said:
Hi all,
Does anyone know when the Inter Milan friendly tickets go on sale, just off to book a holiday in Scotland and would love to go to the game.
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From the fishul site:
Friendly
Celtic Vs Inter Milan
Saturday, July 28, 2012
Kick-off 1:30pm
Tickets for this match will go on sale to season ticket holders from 9.30am on Friday, 6th July.
Tickets are priced £15 adults and £5 concession for season ticket holders and tickets can be purchased online, by calling 0871 226 1888* or by visiting the Celtic Ticket Office.
Tickets will go on general sale on Friday, 13th July from 9.30am. General sale prices are £20 adults and £10 concessions.
*calls cost up to 10p per minute, telecoms provider dependent. Mobile and other provider charges may vary.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 10 July, 2012 at 13:31 said:
A wee amendment to your “do I look fat”?poser.
Never reply with the ole Scot’s answer ‘Och yir erse’ as the rattling noise you hear ,will be her looking through the knife drawer.
The Onlooker – My thoughts on burley, and if I may quote the great bard, “What have you done for me lately?”
NatKnow – “We welcome the paper-chase…” on 10 July, 2012 at 11:09 said:
The machinations that the authorities are going through to accomodate Sevco are remarkable. Not only that, but the risk of allowing them in any professional league, given the poor state of their finances and infrastructure is surely is also puzzling. The only logical explanations I can think are that either:
i) The footballing authorities are acting with the full cognizance of the SPL clubs because they genuinely do not see an alternative to the existing business model. The have been forced to do this covertly because of fan reaction.
ii) There is significant political pressure (again, covert) to do this.
iii) Individuals are working to their own agendas to secure personal benefits (financial bonuses etc.)
I think no. (iii) would be difficult if not impossible without the full support of the relevant paymasters. So that might be an additional inducement rather than the primary motivator.
Any thoughts?
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I think you are spot on. I think the SPL clubs would willingly have had them back if it wasn’t for the fans reaction and who knows what machinations are going on behind the scene ‘lobbying’ for SFL1
voguepunter on 10 July, 2012 at 13:47
LOL
Supposin’ Celtic sign a really good player, who runs around bangin’ in goals left, right and centre, are we supposed to refrain from cheerin’ him on in case once he retires he starts mouthin’ off in the media?
..so who would we rather have, a bhoy who gives his all when he’s playing, only to blot his copybook once he’s retired, or a player whose contributions on the park are minimal but who toes the party line once he’s hung up his boots?
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors,
Nope, the contract formally comes to an end when the players refused the TUPE transfer.
It does not simply continue in the old Rangers it just terminated.
B
Raith Rovers say thanks to fans all over Scotland for their support
http://www.raithrovers.net/4016/thank-you-for-all-the-support.htm
I see hat the “new” under-20 side (which apparently replaces the under-19s)will play at Firhill next season (including NextGen games), which is much more convenient for me and I suspect a lot of fans than Lennoxtown or Barrowfield. As well as providing much-needed income for another Scottish club. Good news.
http://sport.stv.tv/football/110232-fifa-sporting-merit-should-come-first-in-rangers-league-placement-vote/
FIFA: ‘Sporting merit’ should come first in Rangers’ league placement vote
By Grant Russell 10 July 2012 13:46 BST
FIFA say they will not intervene in the matter of which league Rangers play in.Christian Hartmann / Reuters
“Sporting merit” should come first when it comes to deciding which league Rangers play in next season, according to FIFA.
The world football governing body say they will not intervene on the matter if Charles Green’s new company gain immediate access to the First Division and bypass two tiers of the Scottish Football League, saying the final decision is for the Scottish FA to make.
FIFA’s Statutes state the “entitlement” of a club to take part in a league should “depend principally on sporting merit” and not depend on other factors, a point which has been emphasised by a spokesman for the organisation.
SFL clubs will vote on Friday whether to forego “sporting merit” in return for financial gain and a change to the league structure, although 13 of the 29 sides eligible to vote have already stated they would oppose such a move.
The Scottish FA’s chief executive, Stewart Regan, has already spoken out over the need for Rangers to be allowed to bypass the bottom two divisions in order to protect the financial future of the game.
He warned of the “slow, lingering death” of football in the nation if the club were not voted in to the second tier with immediate effect.
The Scottish Premier League has warned it stands to lose £15.7m per annum in commercial revenue if clubs decide instead to allow Rangers to enter at Third Division level.
The SPL chief executive, Neil Doncaster, reportedly told SFL sides last week that a number of clubs in his league stand to go into administration if a deal cannot be struck.
Despite any move to allow Rangers to compete in the First Division being stated publicly by those in power as a necessary financial decision, going against FIFA’s Statutes, the governing body say they will not intervene. They did, however, reiterate their standpoint as outlined in their rule book.
In a statement to STV, they said: “FIFA is not in a position to comment on the matter as this is a domestic issue which falls under the remit of the SFA and should be dealt with in accordance with the laws and regulations applicable on national level.
“However, and generally speaking, we can point you to Art. 9.2 of the Regulations Governing the Application of the FIFA Statutes under ‘Principle of promotion and relegation’.
“[It] states that “in addition to qualification on sporting merit, a club’s participation in a domestic league championship may be subject to other criteria within the scope of licensing procedure, whereby the emphasis is on sporting, infrastructural, administrative, legal and financial considerations. Licensing decisions must be able to be examined by the Member [Scottish FA]’s body of appeal.”
A spokesperson for FIFA also made clear that “sporting merit” should be the main factor in all cases where it is under consideration which league a club should participate in, regardless of any other circumstances.
The Scottish FA is obliged to abide by FIFA’s Statutes, as per its own Articles of Association, but is devolved the power by FIFA, and at confederation level by UEFA, to run the game nationally.
The Scottish FA were unavailable for comment at the time of publication.
Rangers manager Ally McCoist has stated his desire for the newco to start life in the Third Division, with the Rangers Supporters Trust also expressing the wishes of fans for the team to play in Scottish football’s fourth tier.
One SFL chairman has told STV that if the governing body try to go against the decision of the clubs and insist Rangers are installed in the second tier, they would revolt.
Another stated on Tuesday that any talk of creating a breakaway SPL2, which was threatened to clubs if they did not vote Rangers into the First Division, was unrealistic.
FIFA’S STATUTES ON “PRINCIPLE OF PROMOTION AND RELEGATION” IN FULL
A club’s entitlement to take part in a domestic league championship shall depend principally on sporting merit. A club shall qualify for a domestic league championship by remaining in a certain division or by being promoted or relegated to another at the end of a season.
In addition to qualification on sporting merit, a club’s participation in a domestic league championship may be subject to other criteria within the scope of the licensing procedure, whereby the emphasis is on sporting, infrastructural, administrative, legal and financial considerations. Licensing decisions must be able to be examined by the Member’s body of appeal.
Altering the legal form or company structure of a club to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence for a domestic league championship, to the detriment of the integrity of a sports competition, is prohibited. This includes, for example, changing the headquarters, changing the name or transferring stakeholdings between different clubs. Prohibitive decisions must be able to be examined by the Member’s body of appeal.
Each Member is responsible for deciding national issues, which may not be delegated to the Leagues. Each Confederation is responsible for deciding issues involving more than one Association concerning its own territory. FIFA is responsible for deciding international issues involving more than one Confederation.
Do all the posters who insisted that Celtic and other teams would back sevcos
entry into the SPL automatically now assume the view that Celtic and other SPL teams are now lobbying for sevco to go into SPL1
“FIFA is not in a position to comment on the matter as this is a domestic issue which falls under the remit of the SFA and should be dealt with in accordance with the laws and regulations applicable on national level.
SPL1 =SFL1 oops
Auld Neil Lennon heid on 10 July, 2012 at 13:10 said:
PFayr on 10 July, 2012 at 11:08 said:
Auldheid
If the players refuse to accept the transfer of their contracts to Sevco …what interest does Sevco have in them
The players are not contracted to Sevco …..what’s their transfer got to do with them ?
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If I were Sevco I would argue I bought the players registrations, not the players who are free to move with or without TUPE. They have moved and fair enough their rights under TUPE have been recognised, but I would want money to release their registration for at the end of the day is that not what a transfer fee is paid for, the transfer of the registration that then enables a player to move?
This has been referred to FIFA and because football has an interest in keeping money in football I would not be surprised to see FIFA rule that a registration transfer fee has to be paid.
No that I’m bothered mind you, but if it was Celtic I would not want them to give in without a fight.
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sorry if already covered (must go do some work!), but can 3rd parties hold player registrations. is sevco esentially a 3rd party company ? they dont have a licence to play football, and no league (as yet) to play football.
Noticed that the press are running with Boca claiming that the title will be Celtic’s by Christmas… and how bad this is… Can’t remember them complaining when Zombie FC had last years league won by November 5th….
Altering the legal form or company structure of a club to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence for a domestic league championship, to the detriment of the integrity of a sports competition, is prohibited. This includes, for example, changing the headquarters, changing the name or transferring stakeholdings between different clubs. Prohibitive decisions must be able to be examined by the Member’s body of appeal.
Is Burgess a Tim?
hat,coat…..
Re original post….I’m as confused as the next bloke about why SPL dual contracts case has dragged on, and why SFA have done “sfa” to punish R(ia)/Sevco.
Could it be that the SFA can’t impose sanctions on a club that has no membership of said SFA (and we are told that Sevco still have no SFA membership or a league to play in)?
Similarly, my confusion continues…
1) Do Sevco need a league to play in before the get SFA membership, or is it the other way around?
2) Have Sevco requested a transfer of SFA membership from R(ia) to Sevco, or are they looking for a distinctly new membership (which would have no ties to oldco)?
3) If Sevco cannot gain SFA membership until they have a league to play in, surely that explains why we all have to wait until Friday to see Sevco end up?
Once they are given a league to play in, and hence gain SFA membership, only then can Sevco be punished by SFA.
Still confused…
HH
Re Paul Telfer
of all the full backs we’ve had in my time, PT is closer to being a Danny McGrain than he is to being an edson Braafheid in the scale of things.
Are we not supposed to be getting a renewed bid for sevco from
the rocket that is bomber brown today,is he away taking back his gingies
to see how much more he can raise,maybe the berrs can throw in all their
oldco tops as well and he can take them to cash for clothes too