At the start of Saturday’s game I had no interest in who would finish fifth in the league and secure the final European qualification spot. Not long into that St Mirren performance and I was rooting for Dundee United to earn the points they needed to stay above the Paisley team.
Referee David Dickinson added one minute to the first half, a period during which play had been stopped for players to get treatment and Dickinson warned St Mirren goalkeeper Zach Hemming for timewasting. Multiball is supposed to speed up the game, on Saturday it only allowed Hemming to run past the nearest ball, to fetch one further away.
He wasn’t the only St Mirren player to utilise multiball to slow things down, O’Hara walked off the pitch to collect a spare ball and knock it onto the field. He was booked. On 88 minutes Dickinson finally acted on the more random timewasting by booking Fraser. Had he executed his duties 80 minutes earlier the game would have been better served. Refereeing can be difficult, but enforcing rules on timewasting is as easy as it gets. It’s the referee who was at fault, not St Mirren players.
James Forrest’s 94th minute equaliser was 16 seasons in the making. 15 years and two weeks after making a scoring debut, Scottish football’s record trophy winner got the goal the fans have wanted since his return from injury in March.
Trophy Day had its climax, Celtic Park celebrated as St Mirren players collapsed on the turf, exhausted from all that running to collet balls from distance. It was a moment of joy, before the trophy presentation and we left Celtic Park for the final time this season.
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Shaun Maloney to manage Dundee?
Musat be Monday.
HH!
Understandable rustiness with some of the players not having seen action for a few games. Good thing the manager didn’t leave them out for another week. Loved AJ’s dummied shot to open up space for Jamesie for the goal.
Slightly strange season, statistically. Goal difference 21 better than last season would indicate a clear improvement (European campaign would also suggest that) but we actually ended up with one point less.
GD even up on 22-23 (99 points) and 16-17 (106 points). Definitely feel there was a 100 points campaign for us – really cost by the relatively poor Jan-early April period. Something to aim for next season.
Good afternoon all from the Brazen Head.
Shipbank Shipwrecks 12pm on Friday 23rd May at the Old Ship Bank.
It’s the referee who was at fault, not St Mirren players.
Suggested correction:
The bent and biased referee was as much at fault as the pathetic, time-wasting St Mirren players.
That aside, I always liked Gogic who’s as wily as he is brawny. Still reads the game very well.
Yes agreed that while the St. Mirren players were playing to a plan, the referee was complicit.
Astounding to hear the St. Mirren manager say post match he was proud and that his team was good to watch and play good football! Those tactics would get football banned!
I can see the day coming when time keeping is taken away from the referee and is done by a,public clock which we can all see,and it stops as soon as play stops,foul,injury,corners,shies,free kicks etc.
It may mean a reduction in time,45mins to 35 or 40 mins,
It will take away game management by refs too,
I am pretty sure at a rough guess Saturday had bout 35 mins or so of actual play.
Wouldnt hold my breath tho
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Sad news of Tony Dochertys sacking,i agree with Bada his teams had a go.
Meantime watch hearts sendin off numbers next year as Farmer mCinnes takes over,killie had 9 or 10 sent aff!!
HH⁵5þ
The saints are the biggest sinners at time wasting.
From Chatgbt re time wasting rules for next season :
“Starting from the 2025–26 season, a new rule will be implemented to address time-wasting by goalkeepers. According to the International Football Association Board (IFAB), goalkeepers will be allowed to hold the ball for a maximum of eight seconds after gaining control. If they exceed this time limit, the opposing team will be awarded a corner kick .
Key Details of the New Rule:
Time Limit: Goalkeepers have eight seconds to release the ball after gaining control.
Referee’s Countdown: Referees will initiate a visual countdown from five seconds to zero by raising their hand, signaling to the goalkeeper and players that time is running out.
Penalty for Violation: If the goalkeeper fails to release the ball within eight seconds, the opposing team is awarded a corner kick.
Implementation Date: This rule change will take effect worldwide from 1 July 2025, applicable at all levels of the game.
Rationale Behind the Change:
Previously, the rule allowed goalkeepers to hold the ball for six seconds, with violations resulting in an indirect free kick. However, this was rarely enforced due to the difficulty of managing indirect free kicks inside the penalty area and the disproportionate advantage it gave to the opposing team. The new rule aims to provide a more practical and enforceable solution to deter time-wasting by goalkeepers.
Trials conducted in various competitions, including Premier League 2, showed positive results, with goalkeepers generally releasing the ball within the allotted time and only a few instances requiring enforcement of the rule.
This change is part of a broader effort by football’s governing bodies to enhance the flow of the game and reduce time-wasting tactics.
I would have thought that the Alan Muir episode and wee Willie Collum’s watchful eye might have made the more hunnish refs be a bit less blatant . Obviously not in the bold Dickinson’s case . In terms of hunnish refs he is the ‘real deal’.
I hope the discussions between the watching Dermot Desmond and Brendan Rodgers go as well as they did a few summers ago. Stability is the key to prolonging Celtic success, imperative that Celtic have a proven elite manager as we face the many challenges in front.
Ironic, that a predecessor was also on the pitch almost in awe of the Irishman, one to another they chatted in the sunshine to a worldwide audience. Celtic are bigger now than they’ve ever been and business is brisk, a bulging bank account with more and more price rises for the supporters.
What next Celtic?
P67
To summarise- the ref’s a hun and ref’d the match as such.
Here’s hoping for another Celtic PARTY on the Trongate this Saturday celebrating yet another TREBLE for the Hoops ?
The Council won’t like it, the Polis won’t like it and the Huns won’t like it……but FECK them all.
LOL.
HH.
Reminds me of O’Neill’s comments on the prolonged stop in play after Porto scored their winning goal “I thought they had gone all the way back to Porto to celebrate”
Time wasting….
Sadly, footballers are smarter than those who make the rules. Here’s what will happen:
Keeper keeps the ball for more than 8 seconds. Ref blows whistle. Keeper boots the ball upfield. Keeper argues that he got the ball away on time. Entire team surrounds ref. Eventually, the ball is retrieved. Both teams prepare for the corner.
And….
No time added for any of that.
Also, Willie Collum’s watchful eye doesn’t extend to time wasting and/or bookings.
Solution:
The WC in Brazil, they timed Ball in Play for all games. Average time in play = 33 minutes. So, have 2 halves of 35 minutes and use a stop clock.
Cheers,
Weeron.
There were ten minutes of added on time in the second half of the fa cup final on Saturday because of time wasting.
Err on the side of more time for time wasting rather than less, you’ll need strong refs but there won’t be much sympathy for managers who drop points because of it.
Apart from being complicit in very blatant time wasting the referee also did great ’12th man’ work for St. Mirren constantly standing in the way of Celtic’s across the 18 yard box passing. He couldn’t keep it up for the whole game but to be fair to him he did it for 70 minutes. If only he could have been subbed for Muir to take over…
Not been on for a while, missed the game since we were flying back from Portugal on holiday. As the plane landed I logged on to ScottishFitbaw and saw it was 93 mins and we were losing 1-0 – enter Wee Jamesie 30 seconds later – truly a wonderful, unforgettable moment.
Couple of things – I thought of sadly departed CQN Legend SFTB – Tony was perhaps the most vocal supper I’ve ever encountered of Jamesie, often calling him The Invisible Man indicating that many Celtic supporters didn’t see his contributions to various Celtic teams over the years. God Bless Ye Tony.
Secondly – I watched the entire game over the weekend. I know end of season games with league already won can be flat occasions (playing wise) but my God – we miss Reo Hatate for creativity.
quantum- re the new 8 seconds rule for GKs,the Celtic Park crowd will definitely assist in counting it out….’ 1,2,3……..’ will find out cheats like Dickinson as well
Dickinson is a WRONG UN.
!!Bada Bing!! on 19th May 2025 1:33 pm
quantum- re the new 8 seconds rule for GKs,the Celtic Park crowd will definitely assist in counting it out….’ 1,2,3……..’ will find out cheats like Dickinson as well
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Youre right , was intially thinking that refereee’s like Dickinson wouldnt implement it properly,
I should have realised that as you say , the celtic fans will give an assist each time!!
The referee is paid to keep an eye on the game…
In the SPL, and under the SFA that invariably means the all seeing eye…
I woke up this morning to my saying to me that i see your family wallpaper on your phone has been changed. I immediately after the game on Saturday switched to the James Forrest running towards the fans picture that was up for grabs so quickly. If people don’t understand the magic involved with our club by now, then they will never know!!! 93 minutes and the wee mhan, who had been our best player, comes in and finished a not so easy shot. Even though I was watching 3000 miles away by myself at 8 am in my classroom on my big screen, the roar from that goal even took me aback. That’s because we all wanted it and we all wanted it for the player. Let’s not kid ourselves that the wee mhan has not had the best support at times, and part of that is because we have been spoiled in his position. Every winger, no matter what side you play on at Celtic, is going to be judged by the genius that was wee Jinky, and how spoiled was that generation. I only witnessed wee Jinky when he used to take the S-form practices at times, and the Dads on the side of the field would be standing there in awe, and rightly so!!!! I was greetin when Jamesie scored on Saturday as were the rest of you and don’t lie:)))) It is amazing that we have players like him, Like Calmac, that do our club and our fans proud. Yes, Paul McStay did indeed say there’s a buzz about the place. We can look back at the magic of the 88 season and how everything just happened after the 88th minute in games. Or 86 at Love street and that amazing ceebration, (was on the corporation bus coming back from playing at Netherpollock, and my auld man said don’t ask anyone the score. My cousin’s man, John Cassidy, good Hutchy bus driving Tim, stopped the bus at Wishy cross behind us and rolled down his window and screamed that we had done it. Next thing Wishy cross tims were exploding, my auld man was sprinting up to the Cross Keys faster than Usain Bolt, he would be spotted later on after closing time). None of our rivals have that specialness, no matter how they kid themselves on. Our club is amazing. Yes, we have not always basked in this glory, but we have been through enough tough times to realize when to enjoy it and enjoy it to the full.
What a team, What a support.
God bless our mothers and fathers for guiding us down the path of righteousness and green and whitedness:)))
Sean
We’ve seen it all before – the last Glasgow derby at CP being a masterclass in time wasting and shutting down a football match with the ball only being in play for half the actual match.
There’s a lot of talk about standards in Scottish football and how they can be improved. If the sports journalists blaming Celtic for our strangle hold on the trophies turned their attention to the referees, the game would be far better served.
MCPHAIL BHOY and LEFTCLICKTIC
Re. Dickinson. Agree entirely about him and his potential. I posted about his ‘interference’ in our final third play when I got in from the game – classic game management, just not to our advantage. Calum spoke to him about it at least twice that I could see.
In my earlier post I pointed out that this is a guy who’s first game at Ayebrokes a few seasons ago was actually lauded openly by fellow Lodge members. They even referenced his Lodge number. THAT is a matter of record! Scoddish fitba? Where else?
Ave Ave
With my Celtic paranoia hat on, surely the proposed new anti time-wasting rule has been engineered to be disproportionality detrimental to Celtic. With our record of defending corners it effectively means that for every second offence we have a goal awarded to our opponents! 🤔
The rule is also unclear and a bit ambiguous as quoted on this thread. Does it only apply to situations where the goalkeeper is holding the ball in their hands, or does it also apply with the ball at their feet?
What about teams that effectively utilise a sweeper keeper, particularly in situations where they are playing out from the back against opponents who are sitting deep? Does the keeper have to get up to the centre circle with ball at feet and play away a pass inside 8 seconds? And if they throw in a deliberate slight mis-controlled touch on the ball as they walk out from their area (when safe to do so!), does the 8 second countdown (with ball under control) have to start again?
Surely a clearer, less ambiguous and more effective solution (other than a basketball style clock that stops when the ball is inactive) would be simply to advise all teams that every second wasted will result in TWO seconds being added at the end of the game. Thus, any attempts to reduce the time that your opponents have available to score will do precisely the opposite and give them MORE time to do so.
I see Fabrizo Romano is linking Matt O’Riley with a summer transfer out of Brighton – how’s that for Blooming player development?
I’ve posted on here many times 30 to 35 mins each way , ball in play. I recognise it wouldn’t stop the disruptive tactics, but it’s a start.
An Dún, perhaps we could sign MO’R back to replace Reo if he leaves. 👍
i would try and get Matt back even on loan if that’s the case.
BigChipsUK on 19th May 2025 2:09 pm
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According to CHATGBT
“trials conducted in various competitions, including Premier League 2, showed positive results, with goalkeepers generally releasing the ball within the allotted time and only a few instances requiring enforcement of the rule.”
So hopefully your paranoia is unfounded though I take your point that we are talking about scottish referees in this instance.
Listen to the noise in here!
I hope we can bring back MOR, even on loan.
BSR
Brilliant
SEAN
Thank you
There’s really no way of establishing the truth of it but I thought the first stoppage of play – when the St Mirren goalie went down – smacked of rehearsal. I’m pretty sure that there was minimal contact with Maeda, certainly not enough to justify on field surgery and the resulting three or four minutes of injury time. The time-wasting coupled with a compliant ref almost did the trick. Cue, that bhoy Forrest to thwart their skulduggery.
AN DÚN on 19TH MAY 2025 2:10 PM
I see Fabrizo Romano is linking Matt O’Riley with a summer transfer out of Brighton – how’s that for Blooming player development?
A bit of a strange take. After his injury he’s established himself as a starter for a team that could finish 8th in the EPL. Pretty strong development in his first season, which can be difficult as we’ve seen with Engels. Maybe they’re kicking him out the door but I doubt it.
If they are, I’d imagine it will be to a very decevt club.
Matt seems to have his own ideas about his development path, which seems to be important, he seems to have had the foresight to see Brighton as a good place to further his career. Decisions like this are important – get them right and you could end up like Billy Gilmour, a more limited player than Matt but likely a serie a winner next Sunday a season after leaving Brighton.
Sean- Jamesie has earned a starting place on Saturday, Idah on the bench, Maeda through the middle for me