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  2. Moisey17 on

    A very rough night but a great one if your a St. Mirren supporter. Their whole club deserves this limelight and in particular the manager who showed great tactical awareness and motivational skills to get his team to win the day. The players were dedicated to the job, committed and brave and went to work leaving nothing in the dressing room.

     

    Does any of the above ring true about us?

     

     

    We are cored out in every aspect and are a mess from top to bottom. There are almost no words for the shambles that masquerades as a board/exec at Celtic as they are once again shown up for the incompetent, unambiguous, arrogant men that they are.

     

    BR lost the room latterly with his daft comments but he made it clear that we needed to refresh and rebuild the squad with quality, pace and power and we did none of those things. He knew the squad was coming to the end of a cycle and needed surgery. Like him or not he is an experienced manager and knew where we were but personal battles won out over sensible management and we are where we are.

     

    There is no doubt BR lost the room and was easy to see he had also lost some interest but can you really blame him? It’s clear to see now what was going What was a shambles.

     

    This board/exec broke BR and all his staff, broke the team, broke the recruitment team, broke the support – is there anything else for them to break?

  4. lionroars67 on

    Like most people real tough days are beyond having nightmares about tactical disasters in ones beloved football team

     

     

    Just putting the Celtic football world to rights on a blog is not life important

     

     

    Born in Duke St hospital in the East end of Glasgow, Celtic the team my grandfather and father supported as well as being my local team, Celtic will always be my team its in my DNA, It has led me to support Celtic in many ways apart from spectating

     

     

    A glimpse of a managerial psychological masterclass

     

     

    https://youtu.be/R0Og0zHG_7Q?si=PoRh_ydfX-9cqb-G

     

     

    7 wins from 8 tactical changes to go from a struggling dynamic to a winning dynamic, no worries on muscle memory, never in Martins head that particular issue I suspect

     

     

    Players growing in confidence and belief game by game under MON

     

     

    Martin got Celtic on a winning run, tweaks to the system, changes in personnel, bizarrely some scoffed at this success ? WTF well it was not playing as well as the Lisbon lions apparently in some places in the world oh I don’t know like Turkey that’s a tactical failure ? go figure

     

     

    I suspect the Celtic family would be going to their workplaces this Monday morning with a different disposition if the decision to give MON at least to the cup final had been taken

     

     

    On a personal level I have no ill feeling towards Wilfreid, he took on a very challenging role to say the least bigger salary, bigger profile in European football, believed in himself that he could be successful, I get all of that, it was his choice to go for it, the analysis and critique about naive tactics, formations, personnel selections are all about the football not personal

     

     

    That’s why my point in using people resources in the first instance at Lennoxtown this morning would be my instinct to gather around me, if it was me in the hot seat this morning, the cathartic and hopefully the obvious local footballing knowledge would be most beneficial in assisting with the turn around in results the team requires, the only way out for Wilfreid to smile is winning

  5. Maestro on

    The managed rapid decline amd self sabotage is off the scale you really wonder if it a bad dream and we have not yet wakened up.

  7. Paul The Spark on

    We are all an entitled bunch of fans for wanting the best for our club. We are just too working class and stupid to see that. Some of the board apologists can copy and paste this to save them time 😂

  8. Glenowen on

    Presumably, WN was recruited on the basis of his track record, his style, his interview.

     

    If we now wish for him to pivot to a more appropriate style, that almost invalidates the recruitment decision.

     

    Would be useful to have an open and honest discussion on our managerial recruitment process, though I’m still awaiting the player trading discussion.

     

    Interestingly, St Mirren have scored the fewest number of league goals in the SPL. (games in hand notwithstanding) Clearly, not all teams play an uncertain 3 at the back

  9. quadrophenian on

    Out of a sense of concern, is there any chance this alleged standoff between Captain Cal and the hidebound Le Havrian could see the departure of a player who’s probably just cresting his peak years.

     

     

    Would AJ be a friendly surrogate given he and Wilfie worked the gither at FC MonRayAll ?

  10. Celtic Mac on

    lionsroar67

     

     

    Very well thought out post indeed, one of many since the final whistle sounded at Hampden.

     

    Few weeks back someone, forget who, posted a link to an official CFC video of a training session at Lennoxtown. Martin O’Neill was on the side lines and the session was ran, in the main, by Gavin Strachan, Shaun and Mark. Very professional, in good spirit, with Gavin barking out the objectives and Mark dishing out the compliments when the players succeeded in their little mini routines. Now of course it is not always easy to translate that into success during a match, but at least we looked well prepared. Compare and contrast that with Wilfried’s first session, again out at Campsie, more a kind of mini pitch type exercise, and while it is not quite night and day, the contrast is there for all to be seen, with Wilf’s constant interventions and illustrated explanations. Okay first training day and all that, but would it not have made more sense to leave those mentioned above, and Mick, still in situ, and look, listen and learn?

     

    I do believe it would.

  12. Bhoys Town on

    Trying to work out why I am calling for a manager to be sacked after 3 games. I realise it seems insane. It is not because he lost 3 games – that can happen. It is because he has no clue what he is doing, does not understand the players he has and seemingly did no research on the opposition. If he knew he was coming for weeks or months, why was he so badly prepared? The 3 games have been so shambolic it is as though a school football coach has been given the team as a prize.

     

     

    The defence is almost non-existent. Players are all over the place. There is no pace in attack. There is rarely a wide option in attack, even though we have a number of good wide players.

     

     

    Roma was insane – I have never seen a Celtic team more confused. And the players seem really upset – then and yesterday. They know how to win these games and are being sent out to play an insane system dreamt up by a guy who has never managed in Europe.

     

     

    There are other issues – recruitment, Board complacency etc. I get all that. But we have the best squad in the country – MON showed that. We can also compete in the EL – Feyenoord. We can win the double comfortably with a manager who knows what he is doing. Robinson or the guy at Motherwell would win the league for us, so would Maloney I believe. Not long term options, but the league is what counts half way through a season. Go for a new system in the summer if we must.

     

     

    If WN stays, and is allowed to bring in God knows what idiots in January, we will hand the league over to the weakest Tribute Act team (with MIB assistance) and I can’t stomach that. Callum’s reaction says it all. He should be knocking on Nicholson’s door and saying ‘this is not working, Change it now.’

  13. An Dún on

    LIONROARS67 on 15TH DECEMBER 2025 6:21 AM

     

    Mea Culpa before the match

     

     

     

    I incorrectly suggested on CQN that we had returned to BRs 4-3-3 formation given the team selection prior to the match

     

     

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    I couldn’t believe it when I started getting what’s apps saying he was playing a back 3.

  14. the long wait is over on

    I don’t think we will get a real sense of whether the players are going to accept and respect WN until after Dundee Utd.

     

     

    If we win – things might begin to calm down.

     

     

    If we don’t win then , leaving all of the other howling aside, I think we’ll see “leaks” from the dressing room.

     

     

    If that happens then he’s finished, maybe not this week or this month for appearances sakes , but he’s finished.

  15. The Battered Bunnet on

    There’s a regrettably huge pile to unpick this morning, but I’ll start with congratulating St Mirren. Football is a lifetime spent collecting moments and memories, and those players, coaches and supporters have a very special moment to treasure.

     

     

    Also on St Mirren, we’ve played them 4 times in the past 7 months yielding two wins by 1-0 courtesy of late late winners, a 1-1 draw courtesy of a late late equaliser, and now a 3-1 defeat. Those results were returned under three different managers using largely the same group of players.

     

     

    It’s a fairly underwhelming set of results and suggests that St Mirren were in with a decent chance of a result despite them sitting 9th in the SPFL – our shortcomings are more significant than their strengths in this regard.

     

     

    I’ll also note that we have lost a goal from a corner kick in three successive matches under Wilfried Nancy, sorely highlighting a pre-existing weakness.

     

     

    More worryingly, we have a conditioning and clinical judgement problem, with a pattern of players returning from hamstring injuries prematurely resulting in more serious injuries being sustained: Johnston, Osmand, Saracchi and now Iheancho.

     

     

    I have sympathy for Wilfried Nancy. He has inherited a squad of players than is lacking in talent in the forward areas, is functional rather than creative in midfield, and is fragile at the back. Failures in recruitment together with long term injuries to key players have hobbled a squad that was already under powered. MON’s success in reviving the team during his caretaking period perhaps papered over the obvious cracks, a pragmatic approach to results-first didn’t address the deficiencies in the squad.

     

     

    In that context, Bro Wilfried’s appointment in the middle of the season and at the start of a crux week was fraught. The short term job was to steer the team through some critical fixtures and emerge unscathed. He dived straight in, thanked the interim coaching team and sent them back to whence they came. They were replaced with his own guys from another football planet far, far away. What went before was in the past. Any intelligence or insight from those who lived and experienced it appeared unwanted.

     

     

    At a stroke he changed the team’s shape, structure and system. Three losses in three matches adding up to 2 goals scored and 8 conceded is not a nuanced underperformance: He has crashed the car.

     

     

    I’d pretty much had it with ‘concept’ managers when Ronny Deila played his fullbacks on the offside line (in line with our striker), resulting in a series of goals conceded when possession was lost by the centre backs in the opposition half. Observations since have reinforced my antipathy towards any approach that prioritises philosophy over results, not least the entertainment derived from watching Russell Martin across town from a safe distance.

     

     

    Here we are 10 years later and now we play one of our centre backs as the creative fulcrum (Scales yesterday), with another (Ralston yesterday) permitted to advance up the pitch into space, leaving a single defender at the back to cover if possession is lost.

     

     

    The system works for as long as the players have the physical wherewithal to sustain a high energy game, and until the opposition figure out where the holes are. On the evidence of Hearts and St Mirren, that’s about 30 minutes. Absent a striker who knows how to strike and a midfield that knows how to create, we lose more goals than we score. It’s pitiful pish.

     

     

    I wrote elsewhere that it’s difficult to see a way back from this for Wilfried Nancy, but it’s actually more difficult to see a way forward for the club. The squad is inadequate but the recruitment team is impotent. The club needs to spend money rebuilding the team but the manager is now walking the green mile. Above all, we need leadership and good judgement but have a weak executive team and a dysfunctional board – decisions are made by a non-exec minority shareholder who holds accountability in contempt. Board membership is a sinecure disturbed only by dissatisfied, ungrateful customers.

     

     

    I’d love to have a solution to all of this, but I don’t even have a decent pay-off line for this meandering scribble. We really are in a right pickle.

  16. Greenpinata on

    39 days.8 games Ange got at Nottingham Forest.

     

     

    I do not want to be ” record holders ” for booting a manager out of the door.

     

    First to go must be the persons who identified, chased and singed WN.

     

     

    HH.

  18. Glenowen on

    TBB @ 9:11

     

    That’s one of the best posts I’ve read in many a year. Honest, pragmatic and with just enough gallows humour to avoid tears.

     

    Had you typed ‘Honda’ instead of simply ‘car’, it would have been perfect

     

    Well said that man

  19. the long wait is over on

    THE BATTERED BUNNET on 15TH DECEMBER 2025 9:11 AM

     

     

    Worrying , but entirely accurate, summary of where we are as a club.

  20. What is the Starz on

    Aberdeen are 10/1 to win against Celtic next Saturday…that price will collapse when Dundee United win on Wednesday

  21. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    Next 9 games predictions:

     

     

    DU (a) 1-2

     

    Dons (h) 1-0

     

    Livi (a) 1-1

     

    Well (a) 0-2

     

    Huns (h) 2-2

     

    DU (h) 2-1

     

    Falkirk (a) 0-0

     

    Talbot (a) 3-0

     

    Bologna (a) 1-3

  22. Bhoys Town on

    PLB – I like your optimism – shipping only 6 goals in the next 9 games. Given that we’ve conceded 8 in the last 3.

     

    Any reason for these likely results?

  23. Clashcitybhoy on

    If anyone is feeling uneasy about calling for the dismissal of someone after 3 games, they shouldn’t.

     

    This guy is an architect of his own downfall.

     

    He inherited a squad of international players who were on a winning run, albeit their is fragility and gaps in the squad.

     

    Instead of maintaining the momentum, he thought he knew best and changed tactics mid season to a formation the resources weren’t used to.

     

    Having seen his ways of working fail against Hearts, he should have learned from his error, but he didn’t.

     

    Same against Roma.

     

    Has he shown any sign of learning from mistakes?

     

    No, and that is why he should be dismissed.

     

    Everyone knows we need better players, but would you honestly trust this guy to recruit and utilise them?

     

    Managers who dont have the ability or humility to learn from their mistakes are a liability.

     

    It is a failed experiment and better to end it sooner to avoid further self inflicted damage.

  24. dessybhoy on

    I’m not uneasy about calling for it, I did it after games1 and listening to his theoretical garbage, if you cannot take the workforce with you then you’re finished.

  26. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    What exactly is the problem? We got a stage further than Across The City FC and are still ahead in the old firm championship (possibly by slightly too much but that could change quickly). Isn’t that the ideal scenario?

  31. Bhoys Town on

    When Arsene Wenger arrived at Arsenal with his philosophy, the hard-tackling, hard-drinking players were terrified. Thought they would all be chucked out straight away.

     

    In his first game Wenger changed nothing – back four of Dixon, Adams, Bould and Keown, which he rarely changed for years. They won 2-0 away at Blackburn.

     

    There’s a story Ray Parlour tells – he was seen as a midfield enforcer and Wenger called him in for a meeting. Thought he was getting the boot. Wenger said – I watched videos of you, you are much more creative than you think. Told him to dribble more. In time they called him the ‘Romford Pele’.

     

    Wenger slowly brought in creative players from overseas, and fitted them into the team and culture.

     

    That is how clever managers do it.

     

    The scorched earth approach never works.

     

    Nancy, if he had watch the team properly could have developed things incrementally – moving Callum forward, using Bernardo more, etc. Instead it is complete revolution, and with it, complete disaster. And the players are going to give up when they see he has plenty or arrogance but no clue.

  32. 67 European Cup Winners on

    lionroars67 on 15th December 2025 6:10 am

     

     

    Your logic is admirable

     

    But I fear our new man has a very large ego

     

    The current problem is not him he thinks its the players

     

    I see similarities between him and Russell Martin

     

    These guys think they are the answer they have no idea they are the problem

     

     

    I will eat a ton of humble pie with a great big smile if I am wrong

     

    And I know it’s only 3 games

     

    But this guy is not our guy

     

     

    67ECW

  33. An Dún on

    Prior to WN’s arrival, we’d conceded 9 goals in 14 league games.

     

     

    While the football wasn’t great or even good under MoN for large spells, in his league games against Killie, Falkirk, Hibs, St Mirren and Dundee – we conceded 1 goal. And that was the result of a very dubious penalty. Trusty and Scales formed a formidable domestic partnership and that was our building block.

     

     

    WN has come in, played a back 3 and we’ve conceded 5 goals in 2 games.

     

     

    In the next few weeks I expect people like p67 to downgrade our expectations- a transitional season etc but the league was there to be won this year. WN has torched that chance.

     

     

    This is Covid season 2.0 now. I’ve no doubt we’re losing this league. I can’t believe I’m saying that a week or so after MoN has left but that’s where we are – the direction of travel is crystal clear. We’re done.

  35. Celtic Mac on

    Martin on TalkSport

     

     

    Jim White says it is a chance for Celtic supporters to talk directly to MON

     

    Simon Jordan says he would have kept Martin on to end of season, and would not have hired Wilfried in the first place. Martin says the situation is “recoverable”

     

    Nows your chance

  37. lionroars67 on

    Eamonn Sweeney

     

     

    Celtic deserve better than Dermot Desmond. Enough is enough. Things can’t go on like this. Ireland’s leading Bismarck lookalike and his minions are dragging the club down the drain. It’s hard to imagine things improving on their watch.

     

    Their League Cup final loss to St Mirren was one of the most humiliating episodes in Celtic’s history. This was “Super Caley go ballistic Celtic are atrocious” territory.

     

     

    The game was a 90-minute embodiment of the dysfunction which has enveloped Parkhead this season.

     

     

    St Mirren have won just three of 15 Premier League games. They lie ninth out of 12 in the table and are the league’s lowest scorers. It’s 99 years since they beat Celtic in a cup final.

     

     

    The idea that they would not just beat Celtic but outclass them would have seemed outlandish, but the paradox is that you could almost see it coming.

     

     

    Celtic have cruised towards disaster with the blithe unconcern of the Titanic entering a field of icebergs.

     

     

    Something like yesterday’s fiasco was on the cards. The surprise was that little St Mirren, to their credit, were the ones to take full advantage.

     

     

    It’s not a case of hindsight being 20/20 vision. The omens were clear after a pre-season transfer window widely derided as the worst in club history.

     

     

    Just nine months ago Celtic came agonisingly close to bringing Bayern Munich to extra-time in the Champions League round of 16. It was the kind of European performance which had almost vanished from the club repertoire.

     

     

    The expectation was that Celtic would kick on and strengthen the squad significantly in the close season. Brendan Rodgers certainly expected it.

     

     

    Instead, the board took the miser’s route and left the manager with a weaker side than last season. Champions League qualifying-round humiliation at the hands of Kazakhstan’s FC Kairat (currently 36th of 36 in the league phase) followed.

     

     

    Rodgers barely tried to hide his dismay but his departure at the end of October still came as a surprise. More surprising still was the statement which followed soon afterwards in which Desmond described Rodgers as, “divisive, misleading and self-serving”, accused him of “creating a toxic atmosphere” and “fuelling hostility” towards the board.

     

     

    Dermot Desmond (right), Celtic’s chief shareholder

     

    Dermot Desmond (right), Celtic’s chief shareholder

     

    The chief shareholder’s extraordinary outburst reeked of plutocratic entitlement. Anyone spouting such invective was hardly in a position to complain about others being divisive, self-serving and toxic.

     

     

    It further inflamed the atmosphere within a club descending into chaos. Celtic’s AGM had to be adjourned after five minutes when shareholders heckled board members and called for them to be sacked.

     

     

    On its resumption, Ross Desmond, son of Dermot, decided it would be a good idea to read a statement describing the board’s critics as, “irrational” and “bullies”. The reaction to this led to the meeting being abandoned altogether.

     

     

    The board’s one good idea was to bring Martin O’Neill in as caretaker manager. O’Neill won seven of eight games with the victories including a thrilling win over Rangers in the League Cup semi-final and an outstanding 3-1 away defeat of Feyenoord in the Europa League.

     

     

    It would have been wise to leave O’Neill in charge until the end of the season. His experience would have been invaluable at such a fraught time.

     

     

    Instead, Celtic brought in Wilfried Nancy, late of Major League Soccer’s Columbus Crew. They still had the option of leaving O’Neill in charge for the tricky trifecta of a league match against title rivals Hearts, a Europa League tie against AS Roma and the League Cup final.

     

     

    But they threw Nancy in at the deep end and his credibility has instantly been damaged by three terrible losses. Questions are already being asked about his suitability for the job.

     

     

    Nancy is a somewhat odd choice whose managerial experience consists solely of four years in Canada and the US. Very few managers have made the crossover to European football from North America.

     

     

    The most notable was Jesse Marsch, like Nancy a former MLS Manager of the Year, who flopped at Leeds United. Maybe someone at Celtic thinks Ted Lasso was a documentary.

     

     

    The way Nancy’s team steamed blithely forward into attack only to be picked apart on the counter suggested a certain naivety on the new boss’s part. The English and Scottish league experience of Saints manager Stephen Robinson seemed to prepare him much better for yesterday’s challenge.

     

     

    Wilfried Nancy has had a nightmare start to his time at Parkhead.

     

    Wilfried Nancy has had a nightmare start to his time at Parkhead.

     

    Liam Scales, Arne Engels and Daizen Maeda are players of proven quality whose dire performances suggested a certain puzzlement about Nancy’s change of system. The constant internal turmoil at the club is hardly helping player morale either.

     

     

    The new manager’s disastrous start presents the board with an instant dilemma. At what stage do they cut their losses if the experiment isn’t working? Their extreme parsimoniousness will make them reluctant to pay out a contract.

     

     

    Yet waiting in the wings is Ange Postecoglou, who knows the ropes, is a fan favourite and was expected by many people to succeed Rodgers after fortuitously becoming available around the time of the resignation.

     

     

    Perhaps the board will be governed by what appears to have become its guiding principle. Namely that it can do what it wants because no matter how badly Celtic is run, the team will still win the league.

     

     

    Hearts may currently be top of the table but the odds are that for the 14th time in 15 seasons Celtic will prevail in the end. The board may feel that everything will be forgiven when the league trophy is once more paraded around the ground.

     

     

    Yet such victories ring increasingly hollow as a catalogue of humiliations betray a proud European tradition. A club which once considered itself the equivalent of the English giants has become a north-of-the-border Norwich City. The fans are told they shouldn’t expect anything better.

     

     

    Christmas is coming and Tims both tiny and large are being tormented by the Scrooges of the board. It’s time for the Ghost of Celtic Past to arise, rattle its chains and make them change their ways.

     

     

    Otherwise, God help us everyone.

  38. PeterLatchfordsBelly on

    Sorry Bhoys Town, Celtic’s score first irrespective of home or away. So that’s 11 goals conceded under my prediction. Still, when you put it like the i agree even 11 is optimistic.

  40. 67 European Cup Winners on

    The Battered Bunnet on 15th December 2025 9:11 am

     

    Brilliant accurate assessment

     

    A particular highlight for me was “It’s pitiful pish”

     

    However like Oliver Twist “Please Sir, I want some more”

     

    Your view on what should happen now would bring a bit of sunshine to a very dreich day

     

     

    As they say in Aipple and Texastim’s current abode – Its a cluster fuck

     

     

    67ECW

  41. lionroars67 on

    67 EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS on 15TH DECEMBER 2025 10:23 AM

     

    lionroars67 on 15th December 2025 6:10 am

     

     

     

    Your logic is admirable

     

     

    Logic through experience, thankfully more winning than losing, luckily had lots of good players to work with

     

     

    TBB

     

     

    Trusty was the fulcrum (libero), flanked either side by Ralston (RIGHT) Scales (Left) agree with the sight of either Ralston or Scales given the freedom to abandon their defensive roles on rampages up the wings was the worst deployment of a back 3 I have ever seen at a professional level

  42. bognorbhoy on

    North of the border Norwich city is it …?

     

     

    “A message to the best football supporters in the world…

     

     

    “We need a 12th man here. Where are you? Where are you?

     

     

    “Let’s be having you. Come on!”

     

    Oh wait the noisy buggers are banned

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