Another day another Uefa fine for crowd-related transgressions, the umpteenth in recent years. When we went to Seville we knew you could take tens of thousands of Celtic fans anywhere, secure in the knowledge they would make friends with police and locals alike. That reputation’s gone, the Fifa and Uefa awards, relics.
The world appears to have its share of Pussy Rebels. Someone who will tarnish another’s reputation (in this case Celtic) but not have sufficient courage in their convictions (in this case their right to break Uefa rules) that they will do so in their own name, accepting consequences accordingly.
The internet is full of them too, keyboard hard men who will carry a campaign to the ends of the earth, as long as it doesn’t leave a trace of identifying information. If their name gets out, they will run 100m in the opposite direction of their declared stance, faster than Usain Bolt at am Olympic final. Pussy Rebels, every one of them. Lots of people have crazy/offensive/just plain wrong views, but manage to put their names to them – nutcases, but Tiger Rebels.
If you have a view, or way you like to enjoy a game of football, stand up for it.
The incidents in Zagreb pale into insignificance compared to the mini-bus attack which left a child injured before the League Cup semi-final. That wasn’t a rule transgression, it was proper violence.
A few days after the incident I wrote I was concerned there had been no arrest. Despite the overwhelming outrage among Celtic fans and others, and the damage done to the victim, the reward money is still unclaimed. Do the proper thing, report the crime and claim your reward. We have a reputation worth putting your name to.
Not sure how things will go (on the field) tomorrow night. Celtic have an incredible record in the San Siro over 90 minutes, four draws and I think only a couple of defeats? A win would see us into the last 16, it’s a huge ask, but don’t bet against Ronny.
Farewell James Easdale, we’ve loved your work.
My thanks to Andy Coyle. Don’t know him from Adam, but he called me out of the blue, met outside Celtic Park, and put £100 in my hand for our Mary’s Meals appeal. God bless the Celtic support.
On the subject of which, you know you’re dealing with someone special when you learn Lisa Hague, Kris Commons partner, bought a ticket for CQN11 St Patrick’s Dinner. She’ll be helping out too, more on that later. After the dinner we have Packy Bonnar, Joe Miller, Tommy Coyne and the one-and-only Tom Boyd, with Archie Macpherson speaking about Jock Stein and Patricia Ferns on song.
Let me know if you still need a ticket, celticquicknews@gmail.com
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I see Jim Sheridan,MP for Paisley North has said that no public money should be spent in these austere times policing a St Paddy’s day march in Glasgow next month.
Hopefully he will take the same view when the Glasgow Mela takes place in June over a weekend.Surely that would save double in policing costs ?
paddybhoy1888
11:49 on
25 February, 2015
If your bhoy wants to stay central, then Malones will be jumping. Behind the Douglas Hotel, Market Street
Tom McLaughlin
I’m with you there. We should not sing defamatory songs. It belittles us and gives credence to the “one’s as bad as the other” nonsense.
However, I will poke fun at the sevco/Craig Whyte/liquidation etc etc etc…..etc. That stuff makes them even angrier.
Now, if only we could get a result in Milan ……
well at least the Greeks are good at some things….
“The Greek government has suspended professional football in the country indefinitely.
The move follows violence at a match between rivals Olympiakos and Panathinaikos, as well as a brawl between club officials at a board meeting on Tuesday.
The Greek league has already been suspended twice this season due to violence.
Newly-elected ruling party Syriza have pledged to stamp out the problem.
The suspension affects the top three divisions in the country.
“What we have been informed is that the Super League and the Football League have been suspended indefinitely,” Super League president Giorgos Borovilos told reporters.
“We have a new government who are looking to bring this subject up for discussion and implement state laws related to it.”
Fans hurled flares, rocks and bottles at officials during Panathinaikos’s 2-1 victory over Super League leaders Olympiakos on Sunday.
An executive meeting of Super League officials was then called off after a Panathinaikos official claimed he had been punched by Olympiakos security personnel”
from the beeb
If ‘the clubs have no case to answer’ as Doncaster claims, I take it that he will be appealing against U.E.F.A.’ s punishment of Celtic, on behalf of the club.
fanadpatriot
14:56 on 25 February, 2015
Anyone carrying a flare at a football match should be heavily fined.In this case Celtic should issue a statement saying that if they suffer in anyway because of this act,they will start court proceedings to claw back the fine and damage to their reputation.
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I dont disagree that flares should be banned, and action taken against those who bring them. The question is how does Celtic catch these people and enforce this?
Snitch lines? I dont think that will work. Plus, it raises the broader question, once again, of will it end up with only Celtic fans being punished? You can bet your bottom dollar that Sevconians wont hear or see anything to report from their own supporters …
so how does Celtic catch these fans? And if they can catch their own fans (especially their own fans in foreign grounds), why can/do they not use the same efforts and technologies to report the sevconians who are committing crimes (seemingly with impunity)?
I would have no issue with Celtic and the authorities cracking down on all forms of misconduct if (i) the rules were transparent and fair, and (ii) the same rules were applied equally throughout.
Had a quick look at the EUFA site … see lots of small teams being punished, but very few charges related to the big clubs…. I haven’t watched every game, but my gut tells me that it is highly unlikely that the fans of the big clubs behave impeccably …
There is no doubt that fans of the dead club are treated differently from our own when it comes to condemnation by the authorities and treatment from the SMSM.
However, in Europe we broke the rules and were punished. The Sevconians would have been too had they been lucky and talented enough to be there.
There is no need for the whataboutery in this respect IMO.
mike in toronto
15:16 on
25 February, 2015
It will end up with only Celtic fans being punished for as long as we’re the only team in Europe.
Uefa, it seems, are not scared to apply their own rules.
SYD..,
We were punished even when we didn’t break the rules, how does that work, only fair I suppose eh
Shieldmuir Celtic
Different organisations with different rules.
The fines are imposed by UEFA on our club, not on or by SFA, SPFL etc.
Weeminger,
Read mikes post again, UEFA are very selective about who they apply their own rules to.
Flares are common place in Italy and Spain, not a lot done about it there.
Canamalar
Deemed to have broken the rules then.
Gents,
I dont disagree that Europe is a different animal.
but if Celtic are able to identify the few Celtic fans who are doing something in, for example, a stadium in Gdansk, then surely they can identify one or two of the 20,000 sevconians who polluted our stadium every time they used to attend with their songs of hate?
As Anatole France wrote, “The law, in its majestic impartiality, forbids the rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges and beg in the streets.” Something, on its face, may seem fair and obvious, but it has to be looked at in context, or it can, in reality, be remarkably unfair.
Sponsors,
bet your loving this sectarian debate?
Product association with sectarianism
hate and association to your brand
Aye i think your right.
i would not touch it either
polluted,toxic and will have your brand laughed out of town
HH
Silly wee dicks letting off flares, giving the MSM a reason to persecute Celtic, allowing the attention to be deflected from the despicable Hun hordes.
Brainless.
Syd..,
The point is apparently no one at our club appears to defend questionable charges, it’s all ammunition to have a go at our support even by those who should be looking out for us.
Amsterdam had our own guardians condemning our support without reason, they always jump to blame the Celtic support irrespective of the truth. Then backtrack very meeja driven.
clashcitybhoy
15:21 on 25 February, 2015
..think Shieldmuircelt may have been introducing a wee bit of sarcasm there… :) …..but strange that our rules aren’t aligned with the governing body’s rule on this subject ….. or is itNOT strange …..bless their wee cotton soaks
The problem with the flares is some clubs in Europe dont mind their Ultra’s using them. sending out all the wrong signals as far as i’m concerned.
Why not BAN the sale of flares to the guy off the street and keep them for say boat owners who would require them. and any other industry that requires them. (i’m almost certain the bottom of the flare has a stamped ID and serial number) easy to trace eh?
They are used here in Bulgarski at every ground in the country also in Turkiye and Romania.
Celtic Statement
http://www.celticfc.net/news/7731
HH
CQN……… political revisionism………
Let’s slag the huns for their top brass advising the monkeys ‘don’t sing that because it’s wrong’ but because it might cause a wee difficulty…. Moral high ground eh!
And then, in the true spirit of ‘Old Firmism’….. Hey, tell you what, let’s condemn our own on CQN without any proper forensic analysis of the supposed incidents referred……The usual suspects falling all over themselves to concur………
Even better, don’t point the finger to the alleged bottle thrower, where the wee boy was injured, not because it is the right thing to do but because there’s a few quid in it for you…..Incentivisation at any costs! We can maybe set up a phone in to name and shame all those ROH singers, you know a la Crimewatch. That will deter them for sure…….
‘Pussy Rebels’ more like pussy polemic…….
How many months (forward) before we are treated to ‘you know, maybe that Neil Lennon did bring it all on himself after all’ ???
TBM
Ger57 –
So how did you know I was an OLHS old bhoy?
TBM,
Hear hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccmw3GlofAM
Apparently the kids love pyro. The above video shows why, even if you disagree you can surely see why, to some people it is alluring to take it to ground.
Mini skirts were were going to cause the ruination of society at one point, now its pyro.
A couple of guys with pyro have decimated, destroyed and obliterated the reputation of the Celtic support…………away n gi’es peace.
Uefa are a joke with their fining policy, big fines for pyro and songs, bigger fines for obstructing sponsors logos, wee fines for racism, even smaller for homophobic behaviour.
A governing body who have no consistency at all with rules that apply here but not there, one week but not the next, in one member country but not another.
Ach well at least it gives the bleeding hearts on here an excuse to crucify their own.
Canamalar
15:24 on
25 February, 2015
Is that true in European competitions? Remember they only take action for games in CL or EL. Otherwise we might be seeing some action against TRFC.
Seen on twitter
OH MY!! | Neil Doncaster:
‘Crisis Management in Football’ [Leeds University Business School Lecture] http://business.leeds.ac.uk/news-events/item/articles/2015/March/ft-masterclass-lecture-with-neil-doncaster-scottish-professional-football-league/ …
Canamalar
Well I certainly can’t fathom why our club would not challenge questionable charges. Maybe it’s a case of them having more information about an event than we do or relying on advice from their lawyers.
If it’s just that they can’t be bothered, then that is indefensible. Meanwhile, clear-cut infringements, such as lighting flares, cannot really be defended.
The Johnatron
Same video.
Very good.
Doing the rounds on Facebook !
GREAT NO NONSENSE WRITING FROM PAUL
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Why do these numpties tarnish the Celtic name?
They do it because they use Celtic as a platform for their antics and they ‘egg each other on’ during their pranks and then ‘pat each other on the back’ thereafter, with tales of their exploits.
I have said before, and been shot at by all the cliquey palsie walsies on here – Celtic Football Club has a strong moral and charitable backbone, however this should never be misrepresented or claimed exclusively by anyone – Celtic is NOT a political animal, nor is it a platform for any faction with political views to prosecute.
Social Media – I have supported the Tims for over forty years and until the two year run up to the referendum, hadn’t a clue as the political make-up of our support. It was always Celtic, Celtic, Celtic, and our other affiliations did not come in to it, they were left on the periphery of our love for Celtic. The outpouring of love for all things Scotland and the YESNP on this forum, literally took my breath away, I had no idea. Although I arrived late on the scene, I felt it my duty to answer, what I perceived to be, a nonsensical and short-sighted position for our ‘kind’ to adopt.
We have various satellite groups orbiting the club, some are strictly discussional, and sometimes do good things – some are pressure groups who think they can run the club in an utopian way, completely ignoring that it is a business, and who constantly badger the board ( Celtic’s Green Party or Militant Tendency) – therefore we should not be surprised that there are packs of mischief-makers, drawn together on social media, and interested only in their own stupid exploits at Celtic matches.
They are not only costing the club much needed funds, but sooner or later they will do something that will cost us to be banned from the oxygen that keeps us going both financially and aspirationally – i.e. European Competition.
These people are not Celtic supporters and do not deserve to be defended as such – they are NEDS with a Celtic scarf around their necks – we must do all we can to upset, hassle and chase these pariahs from our midst – and quick !!!!!
Weeminger,
We’ve seen flares often enough at European away grounds, especially in Italy and Spain, not a problem for them, I’m beginning to suspect its our club who complain to UEFA about our support, going by the lack of defence they put up.
Ffs
67 Heaven
I am not remotely surprised that SFA regulations are not aligned to UEFA rules, but I am a firm believer that we need to lobby for change internally, rather than complain about any fine afterwards.
A great example was after Guidetti scored last Thursday. Under SFA rules he would have been booked for leaving the field of play, under UEFA rules he wasn’t
Personally, I disagree, strongly, with this rule, but if Celtic don’t like it, we should complain beforehand, not after a player gets a second booking in a key match.
I may be in a minority, but I couldn’t care less as to how rules ( on chants) apply to the team in Southside – events in recent years have put me very firmly in the “give them enough rope ” camp .
For our club, my view is very different, and I feel personal hurt / slight about my club’s reputation, whether that is under UEFA , SFA or SpFL rules
monteblanco
15:44 on 25 February, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccmw3GlofAM
Apparently the kids love pyro. The above video shows why, even if you disagree you can surely see why, to some people it is alluring to take it to ground.
Mini skirts were were going to cause the ruination of society at one point, now its pyro.
A couple of guys with pyro have decimated, destroyed and obliterated the reputation of the Celtic support…………away n gi’es peace.
Uefa are a joke with their fining policy, big fines for pyro and songs, bigger fines for obstructing sponsors logos, wee fines for racism, even smaller for homophobic behaviour.
A governing body who have no consistency at all with rules that apply here but not there, one week but not the next, in one member country but not another.
Ach well at least it gives the bleeding hearts on here an excuse to crucify their own.
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What’s the point in defending them?
Wee dicks, letting off flares when they know the club will suffer, like I said.
It’s not rocket surgery.
It’s not f#cking school, mate ; it’s not all of ‘us’ against the big bad authoritarian UEFA. you’re not a ‘bleeding heart’ if you choose to point out the punishments being meeted out and the dumbf#ckery behind it.
The guidlines are clear; we have suffered and will keep suffering until the wee dicks learn not to let off flares at Celtic games. – they keep doing it, the MSM uses it to deflect all attention onto Celtic, then Celtic end up playiong the likes of Inter behind closed doors until the message gets across.
The Huns get slammed for their songbook, and the Huns on their forums adopt the ‘don’t blame our own, blame those out to get us’ attitude.
This is a Celtic forum. I’m not going to be ‘staunch’ and defend any wee dick that continually sets of fflares when Celtic continually get hammered.
FFS get a grip.
The Club Statement in essence is saying “gonni no dae it again please”, surely to goodness they can come up with something a bit more forceful that that. How about “if we catch you you’ll get banned for life”. At least that might get their attention.
Alfie..,
How many times must you be corrected, Celtic has always had a political element from foundation on.
Today the guardians only enforce political conformity, from poppy to carrying political adverts.
Charity is a fundamentally political statement.
Here’s a laugh. Well, it passes for a laugh in my parish.
I wrote to BT about the singing at the Raith Rovers/Sevco game.
Got a response today, the usual anodyne stuff, I’ll copy and paste it later with my next missive to them cos I’ve decided not to let it go.
But here’s the laugh – the response I got today, about fans of the Rangers singing sectarian (and racist) songs, was signed by a Neil Mason.
Who’s writing this script, Brian Rix?
Sandman
you miss the point, mibbe too busy chasing ‘any wee dick’.
point out to me where ‘The Huns get slammed for their songbook’ because the last I heard they were given the all clear.
Kinda my point in fact, the rules are all over the place and not applied universally, but don’t let that stop you and your anger at fellow Celtic fans or ‘wee dicks’ as you say
Tom McLaughlin
14:12 on
25 February, 2015
If I knew the person who threw the bottle into the Rangers supporters bus, I would have a word in his ear and tell him to do the decent thing and hand himself in. I certainly wouldn’t consider reporting him myself.
I don’t know what that would make me, but I would have to live with it
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What it would make you is a human being determined that no other human being should be targeted by a mindless and cowardly thug – There are no extenuating circumstances when it come to thuggery.
Canamalar 15:43 on 25 February, 2015……….Cheers!
monteblanco 15:44 on 25 February, 2015….. Certe!
Alfie Noakes 15:51 on 25 February, 2015……… I felt that the Militant Tendency were fairly weak as an Socialist entrism……….
TBM