No disrespect to Falkirk, but I was delighted Hibs overturned the three goal deficit on Saturday’s Scottish Cup semi-final. It was almost a miraculous victory for a team in bad need of a miracle. Things were not always this way.
Celtic and Hibernian meet in next month’s Scottish Cup final sixty years and six days after the teams met in the Coronation Cup final. Back then Hibs were hot favourites. Celtic had won only two leagues in the previous quarter century whereas Hibs, with their Famous Five forward-line, won three leagues in the previous six seasons, losing a fourth on goal average.
These were hard times to be a Celtic fan. Two league titles in the 20s, two in the 30s and one in the 50s (a double winning team in 1954), ensured that a couple of generations of fans survived on little more than folklore. So the team who won the Coronation Cup in 1953, before securing that double a year later, had a significant impact on fans then, which you’ll easily learn if you speak to one.
Charlie Tully, Bobby Evans, Bobby Collins, Bertie Peacock and Willie Fernie all played in the Coronation Cup final, as did Neily Mochan and a man called Stein, the captain. A 117,000 crowd of Celtic and Hibs fans ensured Hampden was covered in banners of green.
Apparently Hibs were by far the stronger team but Neily Mochan scored a cracker in the first half and Johnny Bonnar played the game of his life in goal before Jimmy Walsh scored a late second.
“Said Phillip to Liz watch the Celts don’t step in…….”
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BIG-CUP-WINNERS
Travelled to London (Arsenal) on that Big Tree bus over 20 years ago.
I went to Seville wae them( A lifetime of stories )
CHE
Ooooooh
You are awful….
But I like you!
Unlike hooper, I don’t remember ever seeing Frank McAvennie looking lumpy round the middle, despite his well known dislike of training.
In fact unlike today’s players he loved 5 games in a fortnight.
West Ham had about nine games in 23 days at the end of his first season with them. Sheer exhaustion was cited as one reason why they did not win the title. Not for Frank McAvennie. He caught fire and was as fit as a fiddle. They delivered the relegation coup de grâce to Terry Butcher’s Ipswich. Butcher spat out the dummy and joined Rangers. What must he have thought when his tormentor popped up in a Celtic jersey a season later?
Well done Frank.
p.s. – 26 league goals in his first season in the English top flight.
Lennybhoy
Sorry to hear about your loss.
Groundhog Day once more on two fronts :
(1) botched league reconstruction discusssions.
(2) benefit bashing
Have to admit to being worried about facing a Hibernian team in any Scottish Cup Final.
They have one or two players, like Griffiths, but it’s the “not won it since 1902” thing that keeps grating. That, and the assumption that the Hibs players will be desperate to win.
Celtic have failed to match other team’s desire, in my opinion of course, in several outings this season.
Desire and determination in the build-up is what Mr Lennon should be looking for in his players.
lennybhoy…supporting neil lennon and cfc until i die
13:01 on
15 April, 2013
coatbridge paper bhoy 12:58:
Just caught your post, you may have known Pat going by your moniker?
Knew Lowrie’s from swinton cres , will ask around , although I’m not that old !.
Gb
4GF – not me honest!
Lennybhoy he sounds like a man who lived his life in the Celtic spirit.
Peace and condolences.
Taken from the RM site. Why let lies get in the way of bigoted bile. The Author of this piece really doesn’t like us and I feel his pain.
I can’t open the link
http://economicsfc.w…-and-state-aid/
CELTIC FC
The club currently play at Celtic Park, which has an impressive capacity of 60,832. The club are on course to win the Scottish Premier League for the second time in as many years. Founded in 1888 by Brother Walfrid as a club with a charitable ethos for local Roman Catholics. The club is owned and operated by The Celtic Football Club PLC.
With Scotland’s second biggest fan base, the majority having an Irish/Catholic background, Celtic draw on huge crowds every home game. It is also important to note of their sizable away support. The question begs, just how could a British club with far less resources of wealth when compared to other British clubs, fund a 60+ thousand UEFA category 4 stadium?
Celtic FC was saved in 1994 for near extinction by Fergus McCann. In short, McCann invested heavily and set about implementing a 5 year strategy. A foundation block of his 5 year plan was to redevelop Celtic Park, increase capacity from 50 to 60+ thousand.
Glasgow City Council agreed to sell some surrounding land to the new Celtic PLC for a reported £1. What is staggering is that at the time of the committee conducting a vote, ELEVEN where involved with Celtic, 7 being shareholders and 4 being season ticket holders. The few remaining councillors – Labour, SNP and a Tory all voted NO to selling the land for £1.
“State aid is any form of financial assistance given by central or local government, or other publicly funded bodies, to private companies that might distort a free market. In general terms, the rules are broken only when a public body acts in a way a private investor would not: so a fixed-term loan to a club at commercial rates is fine, but an open-ended commitment to plug holes in the accounts is not.”
If a public authority is found to have broken state aid rules, the European Commission can impose fines and force the recipient of the aid to repay it.
Fast forward a little more than 15 years. Real Madrid – the Spanish giants have had allegations against them that their transactions with Madrid City Council, dating back to a 1996 agreement between the two parties, constitute illegal state aid under article 87 of the Treaty of the European Community. It is alleged that *the council hugely overestimated its debt to the football club in order that the former could give Real the prime city-centre land they require for their new development. (*Note in the Celtic case, Glasgow City Council owed nothing to the club)
The investigation into Real’s deal with Madrid City Council centres upon an area of land in the north of the city, Las Tablas. Having originally been valued at €421,000 when it was part of a payment by the council to the club in 1998; the same land was then valued at €22.7m in 2011, a 5,400 per cent rise, when the council decided they had to take it back. In lieu of a €22.7m payment, the club was given the land they needed to develop their stadium.
Under the competition commission’s guideline 7.2 on state aid they have a year to investigate and rule on the complaint, made about the valuation of Las Tablas property, unless they are still awaiting information from respondents. The allegation was raised in December 2011. The investigation into Real has been mentioned publicly just once by Mr Almunia (a Spanish native, who supports Real), who has also focused on other clubs alleged to have received state aid.
Glasgow is dominated by two teams, Rangers and Celtic, it is of course fairly reasonable that roughly half the members of the committee would have an affiliation to one team or the other. There are several things to discuss here. The first for me is the clear conflict of interest for the Glasgow City Council councillors who had shares in Celtic PLC, the company who owns and operated Celtic Football Club. Being custodians of the public purse, any conflict of interest that may arise, particularly any that they stand to benefit from should have been raised at the very least.
This brings us to the £1 price tag. Even in an economically and socially deprived part of the City, there could not have been any piece of land in an 1994/1995 East End of Glasgow worth £1. Furthermore, a row of houses has to be demolished and the residents rehoused due to the overhang of parts of Celtic Park cutting out sunlight. Instead of Celtic being hit with the reported £1,500,000 kick-out fee, Glasgow City Council took it upon themselves to foot the bill.
The hardworking people of Glasgow must now ask questions of their City Council. Why was several large pieces of land which belong to the public, sold for £1?
And will the ECC investigate the alleged ‘State Aid’ of Celtic FC? If found guilty, what should be the repercussions?
Looking at it from a business point of view – Celtic PLC has conducted a great piece of business here. Not only picking up a prime piece of land for buttons, but getting the local City Council to foot the first part of the development! You cannot fault them.
However, going back to Brother Walfrid, who remember opened Roman Catholic-only soup kitchens for the poor whilst implemented other charitable causes in the East End, is this the legacy he wanted to see? Ripping off the people of Glasgow for financial gain? A lot of noise is made from Celtic supporters as being upright citizens with a charitable outlook.
If you know your history, correctly… are you happy for your club to conduct business like this?
The link to complain is here, however it MUST be Glasgow based bears, as they are considered interested parties as they fall under the jurisdiction of Glasgow City Council.
http://ec.europa.eu/…s/intro_en.html
Tom
No problem
Lennybhoy
Sorry for your loss in hindsight my post was a bit insensitive.
HH
MIKI67
Aye but where do you stand on the vexed issue of well-fired or poofy soft rolls?
How you keeping anyway bud?
I’ll chuck some skwerr in the freezer when I get back and bring it down when you’re fit enough.
You can have it on a bloody bap….
Rest in Peace, Pat Lowrie.
Hope you are smiling down on us today from that other Paradise.
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Jimmy Walsh is one of my all-time Celtic favourites.
I even took to going to Filbert St. to watch him when he moved to Leicester.
Class act. Great memories.
I hope he is still healthy & well.
lennybhoy
Deepest condolences to you and yours on your sad loss.
HH!!
BIG-CUP-WINNERS
13:14
It’s not our fault Hibs haven’t won the cup since 1902. It’s their fault. They’ve had their chances.
We are better, bigger, stronger, faster, brighter, deadlier and better supported.
Yes, they have good players, including Griffiths. Bring it on. Griffiths, by the way, is exceptionally lucky not to have received a yellow card for leaving the field of play when he scored the winner. Stupid rule, but if a Celtic player had done that, we all know what the outcome would have been.
Let’s hope Leigh Griffiths behaves off the park in the next few weeks because I think his social gaffes just rile him up and he then uses football as an outlet for his frustrations.
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Lennybhoy
Rest in peace, Pat Lowrie.
My boss is Peter Principle
Let them concentrate on us and leave Chuckles to get on with his plan…
leftclicktic
The supporters buses are great, but travelling to Seville must have been horrendous. I was fortunate to dovetail Seville (big-screen, no match ticket) with a week in Albufeira.
One thing I remember was watching several supporters buses arrive at the stadium, hours before the match. Felt really sorry for the occupants,it’s a long, arduous journey.
LennyBhoy
My condolences on passing away of your Uncle Pat. There was a Billy Lowrie who lived in Kilgarth Street. He had an uncle who lived in CraigEnd Drive and drove the Ice Cream van. He was known as Speedy.
my boss is peter principle
13:19 on 15 April, 2013
Taken from the RM site. Why let lies get in the way of bigoted bile. The Author of this piece really doesn’t like us and I feel his pain.
You just know the MSM will be all over thus when they try to bury another Sevco bad news story.
Lennybhoy…Supporting Neil Lennon and CFC until I die
12:39 on 15 April, 2013
All in my thoughts n prayers buddy
YNWA
Celtic_First
You are right, of course. We are better in every aspect, just about. Like we were in 1971.
I’m just sharing a wee bit of worry with fellow supporters.
Hail Hail
I thought Griffiths was one yellow away from a Scottish Cup suspension, but looking through the Hibs cup run, it looks as though that is incorrect as the BBC reports show no yellow for him in the previous games.
However, the same reports also show no yellow before yesterday for Kayal. So do cards carry over in the Scottish Cup? If so, how mental is that?
The Battered Bunnet @ 12 35
” The Directors of a publicly traded company have a material doubt as to the title of the assets claimed by the business.”.
Yes !
The saga has been a myriad of delights but publicly stating that – ‘ we don’t know who owns what ‘ – takes some beating
Paul, I contacted him at the eleventh hour last year about 125 events at the behest of Tony Hamilton but his wife is very protective as he doesn’t keep the best of health and wasn’t interested at short notice and as an afterthought.
Will pass on the contact details again and if it comes from the club well in advance it might be a goer.
Pretty sure GCC done a deal with rangers in 2008 to develop land surrounding ibrokes, unfortunately the skint gers could not take advantage.
BIG-CUP-WINNERS
Bus to Manchester ,Return flight to Alicante, 1week in campsite in Benidorm.
Bus from Benidorm to Seville and back(nightmare just about covers bus journey).
back to campsite early friday other campers thought we had won :)).
Paul,
Article confirmed something I have been long aware of.
That is that Celtic Fans of my father’s generation 1920-60 were severely short changed by a blinkered and unambitious management.
lennybhoy
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.
Hail Hail
Been catching up on some blogs and just read Phil Mac’s article on racism. That racism should be ‘the elephant in the room’ when it comes to the soul of the support of Scotland’s mooted establishment team (T’rankers) is a heavy indictment of the Scottish establishment itself.
Racism is a way of thought learned at someone’s knee from an early age (mostly). No one is born racist; small children are not racist.
(And racism had it’s ultimate expression in Hitler’s Germany.)The ‘kick out racism campaign’ is not robust enough. Slogans are useless in confronting the chants heard from the usual suspects on a regular basis, and the police literally turning a deaf ear to it only reinforces the perpetrators in their raising of the temperature as they regard their behaviour as being immune from punishment and allows them to become ever bolder in their actions. Racism may be learned but it ends up being a form of mental illness.
Anyway, what do I know? I’m just one more Fenian b*****d whose blood some eejits want to wade about in.
Rangers’ new sponsor Blackthorn Cider
has complained to the club following
racist remarks made by chairman
Charles Green.
The brand has confirmed to The Drum
that it has spoken to the club in
response to comments made by Green
in an interview last week, which also
drew complaints from its current
sponsor, and C&C
stablemate, Tennent’s Lager.
Paulo Mortarotti, managing director at
Shepton Mallet Cider Mill, said:
“Blackthorn Cider does not wish to have
any association with racist remarks
such as this. It’s an issue we take very
seriously and this has been relayed to
the club.”
Blackthorn Cider announced in March
that it would take over from Tennent’s
as the shirt sponsors of the Scottish
Third Division champions for next
season.
Lennybhoy
Deepest condolences to you and your family on your sad loss.
RIP
For the increasing number of Hibernophobes – we have scored more goals against Hibernian than we have against any other club on Earth
Condolences, Lennybhoy; just read of your loss.
Lennybhoy-sorry for your loss.HH
South Of Tunis
13:33 on
15 April, 2013
Nothing new in not knowing who owns what.
In 1962 I personally heard Bob Kelly claim that Celtic bought Barrowfield only to find that Tommy Walls the ice cream man still owned out to one of the penalty boxes at one end
Mind you, the same day he claimed a lot of things.