The Scottish Government yesterday suggested the SFA act unilaterally to introduce Strict Liability on the game, making clubs liable for the actions of their lunatic fringe, or else the government would impose measures. This is a curious stance for a government who are not prepared to accept ANY liability for their own lunatic fringe.
When the lunatics in charge only see other people’s lunatics, we’re all in trouble. And it should be noted, lunatics inhibiting a democracy cause vastly more damage than football fans fighting on a field once every 36 years.
The notion of Strict Liability in itself is a separate question, but I have serious concerns at the increasingly right wing, and selective, attitude to law and control at Holyrood.
If you want to impose Strict Liability on football, accept if for yourself first. Then come back after a year’s experience and talk to us about football. This, of course, will never happen. Not all lunatic fringes are equal.
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HEBCELT on 2ND JUNE 2016 2:47 PM
Mats Nilloc if you feel the urge to have a politically based rant why not go on one of the many more suitable blogs and rant until you’re heart is content. Would you not prefer to keep politics of what is primarily a Celtic blog. H H Hebcelt
Mats unquestionably indulged in a ‘Whitabootery’ political rant.
However in this case he was aided and abetted by Paul 67.
Mats. For good or bad, the wider population of Scotland recently showed its support for the SNP.
A wee bit naive, I thought all the evils you list would have been dealt with duly quick when we voted to be All Together.
As for football needing sorted out. As regulars here will be aware, that at least three times in the last year, I have, without getting anywhere, directly approached the SFA on football related sectarian matters.
We may not like the OB Act as a vehicle for change in football, but change is needed.
Hebcelt
When politicians meddle in football affairs then politics is intertwined with football. When laws are made to even up the score then it’s political. Whether we like it or not.
Bada Bing, hope you enjoyed the boss, you certainly got the weather fot it.
HH.
insufferable buffoonery : great phrase.
Wanton ballbaggery: even greater phrase.
HH.
tim horton/traditionalist
I dont think the real dispute is between you and I. I know that most mineshafters and happyclappers want the Club to address the cheating…. I think most of us agree on that.
I just am not convinced that those running the club want that issue addressed. And failing to address the issues, at some point becomes tacitly accepting the status quo.
And I cant accept that from a Club that was supposed to stand for something.
What is the old saying? corruptio optimi pessima – the corruption of the best is the worst.
And I recognize that my witholding a few hundred dollars isn’t going to change the Board’s strategy. But, I can no longer support a regime which, to my mind, is working against the ethos of Celtic and its supporters.
For me, continuing to financially support those who seem to want to sweep the issues under the rug, is tacitly supporting that whitewash.
Maybe I am old fashioned (some would say a romantic … others a dinosaur), but Celtic used to mean something… under the present stewards, that something is being lost. And unless the fans do something, I’m afraid that something that made Celtic special will be irretrievably lost.
If I think the game is a bogey, and that Celtic are part of those shenanigans, then I am not walking away from Celtic; the Celtic I loved has already walked away from me and most of the supporters. All I am doing is recognizing that fact.
Only Celtic can prove that it is on the side of the supporters. They have had ample time to do something. And unless and until they do, I wont give them more money.
Had Celtic stood up and said something when all of this started, I believe that we would be in a very different and better situation today.
I’m not saying anyone has to agree with me. Just explaining how/what I feel.
TRADITIONALIST88 on 2ND JUNE 2016 2:53 PM
Is there a grand pan to give the manger a budget matching the stature of his Appointment?
Or has his appointment already fulfilled its purpose?
HEBCELT
Paul’s article introduced a political point, indeed his first three words were “The Scottish Government”
CHAVEZ
You mention the SNP in each of your two paragraphs, indeed try to defend them by saying that have lost their majority. You know well what the article was driving at.
OTHER ASSORTED SHOUTERS ON THE SIDELINES
Stop the playground name-calling and address the issues – if you can!!!
GREENPINATA on 2ND JUNE 2016 3:04 PM
Hebcelt
When politicians meddle in football affairs then politics is intertwined with football. When laws are made to even up the score then it’s political. Whether we like it or not.
Bada Bing, hope you enjoyed the boss, you certainly got the weather fot it.
HH.
I have never thought that football, and other sport was ever far removed from politics.
quonno on 2nd June 2016 3:10 pm
TRADITIONALIST88 on 2ND JUNE 2016 2:53 PM
Is there a grand pan to give the manger a budget matching the stature of his Appointment?
Or has his appointment already fulfilled its purpose?
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You think he’d be here otherwise ??
My god.
Give us relief from the self appointed hand wringing keepers of the Celtic flame.
mike in toronto on 2nd June 2016 3:09 pm
No dispute of course.
I just don’t understand the guys who made their mind up up to 2 years ago to stay away, given the number of unknowns.
That Res 12 was progressing all the while with the clubs involvement tells me the boycotters were in the wrong.
Celtic to me, anyway, is the team on the park. Peter Lawwell & co are no more Celtic than anyone else.
HH
Mr Pastry
I demand you revert to Mr Pastry asap.
Then i can swat you like a fly:)
Admit who you are…then we might get somewhere, you charlatan of epic proportions.
Do you think we are all as doolally as you?
I can assure you thats not the case.
Man up.
Ah’m no gaun back till we sign Zlatan, there ah’ve said it:))
Ooft…its a tag team…Mr Pastry..er, and Mr Pastry AKA
Im confused:)
Celtic 4/1 second favourite to sign Zlatan…..Skybet
A wee bit of Devil’s Advocacy.
Does anyone, except Lurkin’ Huns, think that the owners of Rangers, old or new, have ever genuinely tried to curb the excesses of the more unsavoury actions of the club’s support.
I would guess that on the balance of probability the answer would be resounding NO.
That being the case, is not a degree of Stricter Liability required?
I’m no goan back till we ditch Lawwell and fight the cheatin’ …or appoint a big name manager.
Whatever wan cums furst
HH
Traditionalist-The Boss was amazing,first time I’ve seen him live,had a few beers with VP and G64,was all good HH
BADA BING
We could not even afford Zlatan’s laces for his trainers:)
Easy money for the bookies there.
Might have a tenner on it:)
HH
Bada,
Seriously? :-o
Who’s sticking moneys on that likes?
HH
TRADITIONALIST88 on 2ND JUNE 2016 3:15 PM
quonno on 2nd June 2016 3:10 pm
I did post at the time that I assumed that he had been given assurances.
The problem can be that assume can make an ass of u and me.
Geordie Munro on 2nd June 2016 3:28 pm
It was 80/1 a couple of days ago – clearly a few wishful thinkers out there lumping on
HH
I voted for this government. But I am thoroughly pissed off with them using Scottish football to pursue a social and political agenda.
http://thecelticblog.com/2016/06/blogs/scottish-government-the-sfa-conspire-to-punish-the-innocent/
Even with the “bigger picture” argument I’ve made myself, this is getting hard to stomach.
!!BADA BING!!
My nephew just wrote to me to tell me that:))
quonno on 2nd June 2016 3:30 pm
He’s an intelligent guy who’d have been upfront about what he wants and his vision for the club. Clearly there was a meeting of minds.
As I said, if we see another grand plan, I’d be willing to consider.
Until such times, I don’t see the point.
HH
!!Bada Bing!! on 2nd June 2016 3:28 pm
Traditionalist-The Boss was amazing,first time I’ve seen him live,had a few beers with VP and G64,was all good HH
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I think someone else was asking you about that one BB
HH
Trad,
I’m guessing it’s like the ol manager market. Very volatile and very little money can make huge swings.
HH
mit
you and i both know that it might never change unless we get in another league.
its the country we play in.
MATS NILLOC on 2ND JUNE 2016 2:54 PM
“have a go at you personally” ?
I’m presuming because I wrote, “well it reflects on you matey and not the grateful” ?
Bit rich, given your labelling of posters simply thanking the Res12 guys for their efforts, as “nauseating” and sycophants ?
Your words paint a picture of you and your values eh ? You think heartfelt thanks is sickening do you ?
Out of curiosity, what do you think is sycophantic about lauding guys undertaking such a task ? What advantage could I gain from saying well done from people I don’t know ?
Examine the feedback from your blog peers. It’s the only evidence.
What portrait, caricature would it reveal ?
MIKE IN TORONTO
Generations of fans through the years have probably felt at odds with the board (s) and felt as you do now (probably away back to when we cut right back on the charity donations in the very early days).
It is up to the support to hold the board accountable and make sure we remain something special.
HH
Geordie Munro on 2nd June 2016 3:35 pm
Yes. Sadly:)
HH
Perhaps people should stop using football as a political, er, football. :-)
In the past we had rampant bigotry on the terraces and nothing much was done about there were arrests here and there but on it went.
Then we had the OBFA designed to ‘even things up’ and also introduce laws to deal with the online nature of a lot of bigotry. Many cried foul and said (correctly) that it was shambolic and besides laws already existed to deal with these crimes. It proved as before to be wholly ineffective and on it continued.
So what now? Police Scotland for all their many ineptitudes (and there are many) are correct to say that it’s not practical to try and arrest thousands of fans all chanting something they shouldn’t.
That to me leaves two options:
1) the ref stops the game until it stops and/or abandons – that would I’m sure go down very well in the stands
2) strict liability. Which might actually work.
TRADITIONALIST88 on 2ND JUNE 2016 3:17 PM
mike in toronto on 2nd June 2016 3:09 pm
No dispute of course.
I just don’t understand the guys who made their mind up up to 2 years ago to stay away, given the number of unknowns.
That Res 12 was progressing all the while with the clubs involvement tells me the boycotters were in the wrong.
Celtic to me, anyway, is the team on the park. Peter Lawwell & co are no more Celtic than anyone else.
HH
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This is where we diverge. You see Celtic as “the team on the park” and I get that. I just happen to believe Celtic is much more than that. And, for me, the team on the park is crucial, but probably not the most important part of Celtic. As Tommy said, Celtic is a cause.
And those that run the club sell market it as ‘more than a club’ … all I am saying is that, if they want to hold Celtic out as ‘more than a football team’ when they are taking our money, then they should be held to the same standard when they are running the club.
As I say, football is a big part of Celtic obviously, and winning football is even better. But, even winning trophies will never be what Celtic is about for me.
BIGCUPWINNERS@3:37
Still you don’t join issue with any of my substantive points.
I have no peers on here – only others with the an equal right to their opinion….and of course the name-callers’, who alas betray paucity of their input.
Trad-sorry meant for Quonno,can you imagine big Zlatan in the Hoops next season? We can all dream I suppose…
tim horton…. you are probably right, but I dont think that excuses our Board from not trying ….
as the old saying goes, I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
anyways, lads, I have to run to a meeting …. will check in later.
HH
Mr Pastry
Pastry, i demand an explanation.
Whats going on with your personality crisis.
Like i said to you earlier, its really futile to change your blog name and persevere with the same textual discourse.
Just be yourself:)
I know you are mental in many respects, but aren’t we all.
Face up to yourself, look in the mirror and say…’Im talking to the man in the mirror, im begging him to change his ways’
Or how about an old favourite of mine…’Ebony and Ivory, live together in perfect harmony’
Come on, lets see the old Mr Pastry back shooting from the hip.
HH
!!Bada Bing!! on 2nd June 2016 3:47 pm
Trad-sorry meant for Quonno,can you imagine big Zlatan in the Hoops next season? We can all dream I suppose…
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Fulfill an ambition for a year, then off to China where he can make multiple times the money Man Utd might offer…yeah, dreaming probably as far as it goes :)
HH