Strict liability: if football fans misbehave in a stadium, their club is held liable.
This is the Uefa way and is how most European national associations conduct their business. Not in Scotland. In Scotland there is a belief that some problems are so entrenched, it would be unfair to penalise clubs, who do whatever they can to discourage fans from, for example, setting off flares. Here, a club which does everything it can to stop an errant act is not held liable.
It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say some clubs fear strict liability. Celtic cannot stop people setting off flares, they take steps to discourage it, so, the argument goes, why fine or otherwise punish Celtic?
It’s a cop out. I’d hate to see points deducted, leagues decided, because a club was proxy for a strict liability offender, but everything else is on the table. Clubs are poor at policing their own, there are in-built inhibitors which make doing so difficult. Strict liability takes the issue out of their hands. Stands will be shut, ticket allocations withdrawn, but almost certainly only once.
Flare carriers are the most difficult to police as they are the act of a small number of individuals, who are able to protect themselves [although not their club]by hiding in a crowd, but strict liability would end offensive chanting by thousands overnight.
For that, it’s worth it.
Only caught last night’s Motherwell game in highlights. Newco looked like the Rangers I remember from the early 80s. Despite being a mid-table mediocre outfit, Rangers were, and played like, a big team back then. They attacked with all they had, but John Greig was often out-thought by the manager of a small club, who could organise a defence and break with purpose.
Football tactic students will be captivated by the second leg. Do Newco go on the attack, and risk the same outcome, or do they learn to live within their limitations, hoping to tempt Motherwell beyond theirs? The team which gets it wrong could lose by three goals. It’s a good job Newco didn’t screw around with the ticket allocation, they’ll need that away end packed and energetic.
Thanks for all the feedback on the new issue of CQN Magazine, lots of great reading.
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Bhoylo: Definitely the paving stone. I have a brick on a wall with the cert. to go with it but I’ve never found it. I’ll get a paving stone next season.
MightyTim: great news for your family and Seán
Bgx,
Lefties. A lot of contributors to The Guardian. Not all of course but a substantial amount.
,,,dearie me…….
30 years ago tonight I witnessed on tv a young, thin-looking man with long hair perform an act of heroism which probably cost him his life.
Having clambered over the remains of the wall beneath which a deadly crush was claiming its victims, and basically having survived that crush to reach safety, he turned and reached down in order, I assume, to try to get another football fan out of the horror below him.
I’ll never forget seeing him disappear back into the deadly mayhem, and, after watching for several minutes more, in fervent hope that he would reappear, safe and sound as he had been minutes before, I realised he had probably not escaped for a second time.
I don’t know if it had been a friend, a relative, or a complete stranger whom he had tried to save, but that guy was in every respect a hero.
I’ll remember him especially tonight on the 30th Anniversary of Heysel, hoping that he doesn’t need me to and that he did survive.
Time to gloat. Thirteen weeks until my next day of work. Going on the sauce soon so will log off. Enjoy your night.
Cowiebhoy:
Roastercfc rules…you’ll know what I mean…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Apart from having the most ridiculous hairstyle since Moe Howard of the Three Stooges, the mullet also has the most annoying accent since our ancestors developed the ability of speech many millenia ago.
HH!!
Captain beefheart
..Lefties..?..
Neganon
Sorry just back from taxi duties. Would you be able to point me to the article please.
Captain Beefheart
Last week at mass our priest was bemoaning the fact that we are embarrassed to speak up for being catholic in modern Scotland
I loathe the fact that we have to defend our ( I know not all celtic fans are catholic ) faith more so in a humanist society than in a anti catholic society
We will be true to thee till death
Hail Hail
Off oot to the movies –
Youth
The great Paolo Sorrentino’ s latest . Mixed reviews – we’ll see !
BT, just dropped you the message again bhud
cowiebhoy,
Is there something you wish to share with the group, re activity at Ross Hall; or is it just for a select few?
TTTT
Don’t worry, he hisnae sent me anything either
Bhoylo
The wife and weans bought me a paving stone, hopefully one day I get a pic of it :-)
HH
………………..
Tom
I agree re Blatter, there is more chance of change with him winning, I will wager the Feds will focus on him even more now.
Need to lie doon now, agreeing with you is taking it’s toll :-)
HH
ttt
I don’t think we use Ross Hall anymore, Lennoxtown these days.
HH
thomthethim for oscar ok
20:38 on 29 May, 2015
No secrets here – I have a relatively complicated ankle injury, which requires a bone removal, been going through NHS to get the specialist I was advised to use, he has broken his ankle, so I have been referred through the NHS to Ross Hall and a Dr Carter, who deals with major sports injuries, so I’m now getting operation there on Thurs
Now everyone knows :-)
Hail,Hail
TeT
Is the beautiful ones book on kindle?
BT
I dropped the text to number you just responded on, still not get it ?
If not I will drop you an email
BT, to be fair to your average Belfast bigot, he didn’t tend to shoot priests or close down churches. The extreme left has a history of that. Hail hail to your good self as well.
Anyway, offski. Enjoy the night everyone.
Still nowt Cowiebhoy
Will drop email
blantyretim is praying for the knox family
You get the one I just sent you?
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Lennybhoy
Yip
Last text from Cowiebhoy was about his wee dog
tallybhoy
Sevco clearly not paying enough, he’s cutting his hair in the mirror at home! That fringe is something else, up there with Doncaster number 2 all over except the weird quid bit!
Quid = quiff !!
Lennybhoy, just dropped message to you if you can pass on ?
Cowiebhoy
20:44 on
29 May, 2015
thomthethim for oscar ok
20:38 on 29 May, 2015
No secrets here – I have a relatively complicated ankle injury, which requires a bone removal, been going through NHS to get the specialist I was advised to use, he has broken his ankle, so I have been referred through the NHS to Ross Hall and a Dr Carter, who deals with major sports injuries, so I’m now getting operation there on Thurs
Now everyone knows :-)
Hail,Hail
*****
Thanks,
So I take it that you are not our new left back, then!
Good luck with the surgery.
TET,
I thought that I had read on here a couple of days ago that we do our medicals in house.
Has anyone told the poor sod that we have posted at Ross Hall during every transfer window yet?
Blantyre Tim, are you embarrassed to admit you are Catholic?
Ron Bacardi
In the real world no
But on Cqn sometimes yes
BT
It is.
And well worth it if I may say so, it’s really funny.
Linky if you feel the urge :-)
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_8?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=the+monster+the+mentalpause+and+me&sprefix=the+mons%2Cundefined%2C385
HH
TeT
Mrs BT will download although she is obviously too young to know anything about that yet. 8))
At James Grant at the Queens Hall for an acoustic set. Great music, great patter and he is a mad daft Tim.
Has the Mullet’s mullet shrunk? Or has his baw face just ballooned up? Has he borrowed Coco the clown’s red nose ?…………….
………so many questions………….so few answers!
cowiebhoy
Just havin a larf mate
Good luck
HH
not the evil empire
He is also a friend of Cqn
Beefheart – you’d want to check out what the uber catholic Franco did to dissenting basque priests and look at the numerous murders of priests, nuns and lay workers in Latin America by the extreme right sponsored by the USA.
Why did it take so long for Archbishop Romero to be declared a martyr by his own church?
captain beefheart
20:47 on 29 May, 2015
BT, to be fair to your average Belfast bigot, he didn’t tend to shoot priests or close down churches. The extreme left has a history of that. Hail hail to your good self as well.
Anyway, offski. Enjoy the night everyone.
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I’m going to politely ask you to read about the events of the Ballymurphy Massacre as well as the defence of St Matthew’s church in Belfast in 1969.
You may want to reconsider your post afterwards.