Strict liability: if football fans misbehave in a stadium, their club is held liable.
This is the Uefa way and is how most European national associations conduct their business. Not in Scotland. In Scotland there is a belief that some problems are so entrenched, it would be unfair to penalise clubs, who do whatever they can to discourage fans from, for example, setting off flares. Here, a club which does everything it can to stop an errant act is not held liable.
It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say some clubs fear strict liability. Celtic cannot stop people setting off flares, they take steps to discourage it, so, the argument goes, why fine or otherwise punish Celtic?
It’s a cop out. I’d hate to see points deducted, leagues decided, because a club was proxy for a strict liability offender, but everything else is on the table. Clubs are poor at policing their own, there are in-built inhibitors which make doing so difficult. Strict liability takes the issue out of their hands. Stands will be shut, ticket allocations withdrawn, but almost certainly only once.
Flare carriers are the most difficult to police as they are the act of a small number of individuals, who are able to protect themselves [although not their club]by hiding in a crowd, but strict liability would end offensive chanting by thousands overnight.
For that, it’s worth it.
Only caught last night’s Motherwell game in highlights. Newco looked like the Rangers I remember from the early 80s. Despite being a mid-table mediocre outfit, Rangers were, and played like, a big team back then. They attacked with all they had, but John Greig was often out-thought by the manager of a small club, who could organise a defence and break with purpose.
Football tactic students will be captivated by the second leg. Do Newco go on the attack, and risk the same outcome, or do they learn to live within their limitations, hoping to tempt Motherwell beyond theirs? The team which gets it wrong could lose by three goals. It’s a good job Newco didn’t screw around with the ticket allocation, they’ll need that away end packed and energetic.
Thanks for all the feedback on the new issue of CQN Magazine, lots of great reading.
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Bournesouprecipe
the McGregor goal was labelled a lifeline, and not a consolation.
A very perceptive comment. Those doing the “labelling” i.e. the MSM ,are betraying their own feelings of desperation.
I hope and believe that the unthinkable will be visited upon them this afternoon.
Was It Thompson who reffed both us and the dead club V Motherwell a few years back within weeks,
1st half free kick stats if I recall correctly
our game 35 to break up play constantly
Dead club 2 to let them get on with it
Sleekitness of the highest ORDER and that is why he has been hand picked, but I think Newco are that bad even he will struggle
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Newco Same flies different jobby
I was out watching the marathon runners, once those poor souls return from our bit to Edinburgh they have a very strong wind in their face………..and a long way still to go!
I also had a quick look at the Sunday Mail, I know I know, the back pages was full of the cup final and couldn’t find any reference to Der Hun. Good on you SM I thought, the highlight of the sport should be on the final. Then in the middle pages I found a special 8 page pull out about………..the SPFL play off!!
Roy Croppie, sounds a great night.
I was never a member of the Uni bus but travelled to a number of games with them around the 1982/83 season.
Delaney’s and I knew Stevie O’Neill who ran the bus then.
They also had rock against Rangers nights which were brilliant.
Was Gerry Dunbar and some of the not the view guys there? They were members of the Uni bus in the eighties.
I used to bump into Ken McLuskey occasionally at gigs at the Barras. Good Celtic man. I loved him and his brother’s live gigs when they started with the John McLean march.
Low was at the Glasgow Uni CSC anniversary dinner I was at. He was sat at the back and spoke to his pal through Sean Fallon’s speech which we weren’t impressed with and neither was young Sean Fallon who had a chat with David Low after, about it.
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this is how to celebrate a cup final goal; too many sitting politely clapping yesterday…probably their first game of the season.
HH
boabyevans
12:53 on 31 May, 2015
Well I am off to the bells bar , hope it’s a great day C’MON THE WELL
On Tollcross Road?
T
Sorry bells bar springburn
Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas
I travelled abroad a few times with them. That was my uni but I always went to the games on my home town bus. My two cousins travelled on the uni bus-The Lallys.
Gerry was the MC, Average Joe Miller and many of the other fanzine Bhoys were there.
HH
Enjoy mate . . . Cyber pint on me!
T
Roy Croppie, it would have been great to meet you if could have got to the dinner on Friday.
The blog wasn’t as enjoyable as normal last Friday night without your twitter and youtube posts.
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Billy says goodbye…
HH
Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas
Thanks pal. I hope BMCUWP has a hootenanny soon and we can meet up.
HH
Sevco have already played 5 play-off games with 1 to go. Apart from a dodgy free-kick against QOS which resulted in a goal, the refereeing has been decent.
In fact the refereeing has been so decent that some CQNers resorted to lies at the end of Hibs v Sevco at Easter Road. One poster claimed that the referee blew for time up a minute early, having announced 4 minutes of stoppage time. A few other posters including Neganon2, jumped on the bandwagon and repeated this claim.
I was intrigued, so rewound the broadcast to the final whistle. The referee blew the final whistle on exactly 93 minutes and 58 seconds, a mere 2 seconds early and when Sevco were in possession.
So as I say. The refereeing had been so ordinary and uncontroversial that the fearties had to resort to making it up.
I mention all this because despite 5 play-offs devoid of referees displaying any bias towards Sevco, instead disallowing Sevco goals v Hibs and Motherwell, we have the usual suspects on telling us all that Sevco “can’t lose” and that the MIB will “do their usual” with their “honest mistakes”.
God loves a trier.
In what might be my most random post ever I’m cooking Lasagne whilst listening to Album 1700 (Peter, Paul and Mary).
Life is indeed good!
Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas
Celtic FC – Sean Fallon Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfMqwTOFhXc
Celtic FC – This Man Craig Sean Fallon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqfXnRxCuQ
If there are any Well fans looking in, can I wish your team all the very best for today. And give the Hun a right scudding.
I’ll be watching the game because I am ultra confident the Huns will lose. I ain’t gonna miss that joyous spectacle.
New third kit?
http://www.footyheadlines.com/2015/05/new-balance-celtic-15-16-bumblebee-kit.html
Fingers crossed Motherwell go through against this new team who’ve come out of nowhere over the last few years.I am a bit concerned about them but it’s only human nature to be scared of the unknown.
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John Doyle v Deidco
HH
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Motherwell 0-7 CELTIC
But we had a quality team.
HH
Tom McLaughlin
What about the Inverness handball in the semi-final
Whats your excuse for that?
HH
ROY CROPPIE
Next hoot/dayoooot,I hope DALLAS DALLAS can join us.
Otherwise he’s just a hun…
Tom McLaughlin
13:16 on
31 May, 2015
I hope yer post disnae come back and bite you in
the erse.
Tom McLaughlin
I broadly agree that the refs have not exerted the kind of influence that,say, McLean did in our SC semi. The reason that Sevco, as the lowest placed play off team have got this far, is the disappointing efforts of both QOS and Hibs against them.
I have every confidence that Motherwell will put that right today.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
when you thinking mhate?
HH
GARY67
Oh,my eyes!
roy
Ken and bro David are absolute ghents, had many a late night tipple in their pad in garnethill along with Paddy who worked beside me at the time
thanks for the fotos
It’s perfectly understandable given the refereeing culture in Scotland, and given how Sevco have been advantaged by the authorities at every turn these last few years – that posters are sceptical of whether MWell will get a fair crack of the whip today.
Thomson is the go-to guy for getting a result with the minimum of fuss. Not for him the wildly obviously bad decisions of Collum, Madden, MacLean. No sir. His “mistakes” are quiet, but deadly.
Breaking up play with multiple free kicks. Multiple soft bookings disrupting a team’s ability to compete physically (remember our NINE at Ibrox?). Failure to play advantage, and soft free kicks in dangerous positions…
I think MWell will go through, but I will not be at all surprised if we are talking about the referee’s performance at 1700 tonight…
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on the attack in the 4-2 game.
HH
The Green Man –
1) I am a Celtic supporter. Why would I need an excuse for that?
2) My comment was about the Sevco play-off games. What has the Scottish Cup semi to do with it?
whitedoghunch
Absolute gent, was great to meet him.
HH
Phil’s comments on today’s game.
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/a-meddlesome-match-has-to-be-played-today/#more-6383
Operation save Rangers began before they went into administration. How long before is debatable, but I’d say it really began in earnest in the “honest mistakes” season.
Who admitted to the honest mistake but Craig Thomson.
Whilst I share Tom McLaughlin ‘s view that the power of dark forces is overhyped because football has its own karma, I do see why many cannot escape totally the idea that if TRFC need a break, then CT is capable of providing it.
I reckon though it will be in the form of invidious refereeing where free kicks are granted in 50/50 cases to TRFC and if the game were rugby and not football then that would mean only one outcome.
But it’s football where all you need is front men with pace and a decent forward pass to create goals. Well had that in the first game, why should it disappear?
I hope for the game’s sake that karma is on duty at Fir Park today.
Craig Thompson has a bad habit of being controversial…..notorious for it.
He likes to create controversy.
Is this in dispute ffs.
HH
ROY CROPPIE
Looking at an international weekend in Sept/Oct.
Gives us something to do when there’s nae fitba!
With the added bonus that I avoid my annual Autum jinx a la Morton and Hamilton!
Always open to other ideas though…
PS-high time a wee dayooooot was set up for the Ayrshire Tims. Venue beside the station for interested interloupers.
11/7 would be my guess.
Roy
Put up before, one of the other band members in the Bluebells was an ex-Cowiebhoy, and now journalist Lawrence Donegan
Hail Hail
Tom McLaughlin
Tom….Im not going to bite.
But, I will say….if you think that referees don’t favour the Huns….you are either taking the P, or have lost your marbles along with your spectacles:)
HH
Subtlety is the name of the game for CT, he is master at it. Nothing too obvious. Pull back Griffiths after seeming to play advantage when through on the sevco goal. That sort of thing.