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Subjective ethics from some in Scottish football

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What grates with me is that the issue on how to end the Scottish league season is portrayed as an ethical question.  If so, ethics are remarkably subjective.

How would I feel if Newco had not imploded (more on that if/when the time comes) so magnificently in the weeks?  Pretty upset that they because of the slimmest of leads, they were able to ‘Stop the Nine’ without Celtic having a chance to turn things around.  A cherished piece of our narrative over these last nine years would have vanished into thin air.

Conversely, what would Douglas Park have to say on the matter, if Steve Gerrard was able to cope with the likes of Hamilton Accies at home, would he be campaigning for the season to become null and void?  Don’t be ridiculous.  They would rename one side of the ground the 2020 Stand.

Anyone who claims they would not advocate the exact opposite view, if their team was due to win/lose a league instead of lose/win is a liar or a self-deceiving fool.  This is not an ethical question and anyone who suggests it is, is being unethical.  It is a pragmatic question:

Will this make you a winner or a loser?
Does this make sense for Scottish football as a whole?

The winners and those without any skin in the game voted Yes.  Only losers voted No.  If Celtic were behind Newco I would want the league null and void to allow us to win nine-in-a-row next season, for purely selfish reasons, not because a moral authority understood it to be right.

Talking about ethics, respect to Roma players, who have agreed to take no pay for four months, while making up shortfalls in non-player wages from their own pockets.  Off the scale ethical standards.  More on this, and Celtic player and executive pay cuts, later.  Many clubs will fall during the crisis, Roma won’t be one of them.

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  1. Happy Monday from a beautiful crisp morning in Kentucky where the mercury is rising to 70 (21 in Scottish mercury!) 

     

     

    Watched the 5-1 game yesterday, doubt Lubo scored many headers in his career never mind better than that one. Quality game aside, was incredibly sad to see Phil O’Donnell give the post match interview though. 

     

     

    HH all. 

     

     

    It was China – https://vimeo.com/404566149 

  2. AIPPLE on 20TH APRIL 2020 12:24 PM

     

    ADI_DASSLER on 20TH APRIL 2020 12:26 PM

     

    Good afternoon Bhoy’s.

     

    Keep the Faith!

     

    Hail Hail!

  3. If Celtic were behind Newco I would want the league null and void to allow us to win nine-in-a-row next season, for purely selfish reasons, not because a moral authority understood it to be right.

     

     

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    I may have felt that way had we been a point behind them.

     

     

    If the situation as is was reversed and we’d imploded and found ourselves 13 points behind that would be the end of our quest for 9 for me. I’d admit we were shit and take my medicine. I would not like it but I’d accept it.

  4. Tonyrome – from previous thread, on the 23rd July we will be celebrating your birthday on another hot dry day, although it might be a cyber celebration it will not be any less of a joyous occasion.

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    D. :)

  5. Talk this morning that UEFA are hoping to plan the league finishes,behind closed doors.Will be debated Thursday.Would love this if possible.All televised.Sure the players would love this as well.Think they are talking about August.

  6. GlassTwoThirdsFull on

    Really heartening to read on here lately about how well administered the game is now. Only eight years ago we had these kinds of things going on:

     

    “(We are being) bullied, rail-roaded, lied to,” Hutton said on his arrival at Hampden.

     

    “We have been threatened and bullied. It’s not football as I know it.

     

    “It was a ridiculous document that came out last week, whereby that threat was there if we don’t vote for an acceptance into the First Division a breakaway SPL2 will come along and all those clubs that didn’t vote won’t be invited.

     

    “What kind of a game are we running? Corrupt.”

     

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/18680165

     

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    So it’s good to know that everything is above board these days.

     

    Unless of course it’s all about protecting Peter’s buddy Neil…..

  7. Thanks to the SPFL written resolution passing we know that this season will end in one of two possible ways.

     

     

    The SPFL board will call a halt to the league and award positions on an average points per game basis. We’re Champions and Hearts go down.

     

     

    Or, we resume playing football at a later date and we finish the league schedule on the pitch. We’re Champions and Hearts go down.

     

     

    I hope UEFA and the SPFL board give as much time as possible to complete the games. I don’t think it’s possible but I hope we wait.

     

     

    Null and void is toast so I’m relaxed about the UEFA meetings this week.

  8. Paul67

     

     

    The papers and SMSM has etc have something to write about, when there is football they make it up, when there is no football they make it up again and base it on Douglas Park’s witterings.

     

     

    Creating the null and void agenda is the devils work, but can only last until UEFA direct countries on how European football will recommence, without UEFA there is no worthwhile football competition.

     

     

    Contributing to a fake agenda is a mugs game, you’ll see how Celtic don’t get involved and let the rules take their course starting with the Thursday meeting, in a climate where football it seems football gets further away than ever.

  9. TONY ROME…

     

    Thanks for your kind words to DAVID66 on previous thread.

     

    Stay safe mate and hopefully we can meet up for a great number of beers asap ?

     

    HH

  10. LEFTCLICKTIC on 20TH APRIL 2020 1:33 PM

     

    Just seen on twitter

     

     

     

     

    Celtic won greatest club team in last century vote

     

    …………………

     

    Who are these Fenian Bassas that voted for that fenian Club ?

     

    I demand to know names…who were they ?

     

    AllyMcCoistrfc.com

     

    LOL

     

    HH

  11. Tonyrome – as Big Jimmy said thanks for your kind words on previous thread.

     

     

    Big Jimmy, Tony Rome when this is all over I will buy you both a beer and anyone else who is up for it…… Eh wait a minute there might be hundreds take me up on that..😂😂😂🍻🍻🍺🍻🍺

     

     

    D. :)

  12. To those of a tory persuasion…

     

    Simple question…

     

    Are PM Johnson and his Tory Govt…”BLAMELESS” for the EXTENT of COVID-19 in the UK ?

     

    A simple YES or NO will suffice.

  13. I listened back this morning on the sports podcast featuring Les Gray of Hamilton who sits on the SPFL board.

     

     

    I thought he in a very simple and forthright manner dealt with every aspect of the resolution. He also called out sensationalist reporters like Tom English.

     

     

    I won’t hold my breath for Park fronting up for an unscripted interview anytime soon to explain his position they way Gray did.

  14. Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on

    John Foxx ex Ultravox lead singer prior to Midge Ure.

     

     

    Terrific news about the Lions winning the BT team of the century .

  15. I had the first Ultravox album, with John Foxx. A great album then and it’s still a good listen. A totally different band after Foxx and not my cup of tea. I think the only commercial success I can remember Foxx having was Underpass.

  16. DAVID66 on 20TH APRIL 2020 12:40 PM

     

    Tonyrome – from previous thread, on the 23rd July we will be celebrating your birthday on another hot dry day, although it might be a cyber celebration it will not be any less of a joyous occasion.

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    D. :)

     

     

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    Cheers David so no lottery win then.

     

     

    KEEP THE FAITH

  17. BIG JIMMY on 20TH APRIL 2020 1:34 PM

     

    TONY ROME…

     

     

    Thanks for your kind words to DAVID66 on previous thread.

     

     

    Stay safe mate and hopefully we can meet up for a great number of beers asap ?

     

     

    HH

     

     

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    BIG JIMMY

     

     

    Hi big mhan I’ve got to say you are handling this admirably. I will make a point of meeting you in The Shipbank when this is all over. We could even put out an open invitation to ALL CQNERS especially David.

     

     

    KEEP THE FAITH

  18. bournesouprecipe

     

     

    Wonder if Stephen Gerrard will advocate that at ole Ayebrokes?

  19. It is better for whenever football restarts then it starts where it stopped i.e with last 8 games of season 19/20. We have a 13 point lead and we will be champions with 4 or 5 games left, these games we can use as pre-season for the 20/21 season and give Karamoto and Oko flex games.

     

     

    It would also delay the start of the 20/21 season which we could financially accept, but, it would do for the Huns as it would delay their income from the new season tickets.

     

     

    I for one like these end of the season top 6 games as they bring the League to a climax.

     

     

    All in all it would be better for us and detrimental for the Huns

  20. From the above ESPN article:

     

     

    “Everyone present would need to be tested every three days at a minimum, and there would be special measures in place to guarantee hygiene.”

     

    We can’t even guarantee our frontline NHS staff COVID-19 tests but football would require that level of testing? Sorry not for me, I can’t believe the arrogance of some football associations. Football is not that important in my world!

  21. Not been on for a while, but still lurk when time allows.

     

     

    Just want express my condolences to those of you who’ve lost friends and loved ones. And to say ‘God Bless’ and stay indoors to the rest.

     

     

    HH jg

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