What grates with me is that the issue on how to end the Scottish league season is portrayed as an ethical question. If so, ethics are remarkably subjective.
How would I feel if Newco had not imploded (more on that if/when the time comes) so magnificently in the weeks? Pretty upset that they because of the slimmest of leads, they were able to ‘Stop the Nine’ without Celtic having a chance to turn things around. A cherished piece of our narrative over these last nine years would have vanished into thin air.
Conversely, what would Douglas Park have to say on the matter, if Steve Gerrard was able to cope with the likes of Hamilton Accies at home, would he be campaigning for the season to become null and void? Don’t be ridiculous. They would rename one side of the ground the 2020 Stand.
Anyone who claims they would not advocate the exact opposite view, if their team was due to win/lose a league instead of lose/win is a liar or a self-deceiving fool. This is not an ethical question and anyone who suggests it is, is being unethical. It is a pragmatic question:
Will this make you a winner or a loser?
Does this make sense for Scottish football as a whole?
The winners and those without any skin in the game voted Yes. Only losers voted No. If Celtic were behind Newco I would want the league null and void to allow us to win nine-in-a-row next season, for purely selfish reasons, not because a moral authority understood it to be right.
Talking about ethics, respect to Roma players, who have agreed to take no pay for four months, while making up shortfalls in non-player wages from their own pockets. Off the scale ethical standards. More on this, and Celtic player and executive pay cuts, later. Many clubs will fall during the crisis, Roma won’t be one of them.
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ernie knows the Gravity of the situation. The next virus
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GENE on 20TH APRIL 2020 4:19 PM
Bada
It’s no different than most clothing coming from Bangladesh etc. The consumer demands cheap – hopefully when this is over people will see the real cost of relying on the current supply chain.
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Yes.
Don`t buy Chinese .
Because in doing so , you are subsidising totalitarianism .
MacJay
It’s not me saying these things, it’s the powers that B, all I have done is to quote them.
HH
for my Canadian friends on here, and all
best sempre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An2a1_Do_fc
China have the world by the balls, they produce nigh on 80% of the worlds medicines, cos they are cheap
Wtf are you subsidising when you buy made in USA or Australian?
2 of the most bigoted states on earth.
THE EXILED TIM on 20TH APRIL 2020 5:33 PM
Sorry , mate .
A misunderstanding .
Shit times we are experiencing. Hope all is good with you and yours .
THE EXILED TIM on 20TH APRIL 2020 5:35 PM
China have the world by the balls, they produce nigh on 80% of the worlds medicines, cos they are cheap
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That`s got to change .
And it will.
GER57 on 20TH APRIL 2020 5:35 PM
Wtf are you subsidising when you buy made in USA or Australian?
2 of the most bigoted states on earth.
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Was wondering .
How is your son , Tom ?
Still in Wuhan ?
MacJay
Ok thanks and the same to you.
It will take time to turn things around, but I agree it has to change.
India is trying to break into the medicines market and they already have a fair chunk of it, but again the west are relying on others, but as ever it comes down to the money,
macjay1
I hope you are right, but i have my doubts.
I remember my boss saying to me about 15 to twenty years ago that Canadian Tire buyers were told that every product if possible had to be brought in from China. Yes Canadian Tire.
THE EXILED TIM on 20TH APRIL 2020 5:42 PM
I sense a dramatic change in the world order .
( Pretentious or what ? )
The relying on ‘ others ‘ to supply our ” basics ” must change.
And it will.
We rely on China to deliver our protection against a Chinese product ?
Surreal doesn`t cover it .
Now it gets political , but I have supreme confidence that our protectors against Chinese global militaristic expansionism and dominance will stand up and be counted.
They better .
Hail Hail , my fellow TIM .
Mackay he’s fine thanks. Now can you answer my point? We subsidise bigotry buying American or Australian.
Anyway, Chinese copies are better than American/Australian copies.
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TET
“A classification is exactly that , they don’t classify it as a major problem, the status would also be changed if they now thought that it was a problem, they obviously don’t as papers are being produced on a daily basis.
But don’t let the facts get in the way.”
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The facts don’t get in the way. They downgraded the risk in March. That was a mistake as subsequent events showed. They rectified that mistake quickly and instituted the lockdown, raising the status of the threat.
Believing one or other version of events re flu/Covid19 comparisons is bedevilled by a whole host of unknowns. I’ll take my lead from those informed and peer reviewed sources again, because, when they have made errors as subsequent trends and stats undermine their predictions, they change their tack to fit the now dominant position. In short, they admit when tey were wrong (not the politicians obviously).
They do not explain it away by saying, “you thought it was low risk then so it must or might still be low risk”. For every death misdiagnosed as being due to COVID 19 I can cite 5 times the number of unreasonably high seasonal care home deaths as being under recorded.
The fear that this is some kind of fascist power grab to reduce civil liberties can and will be proved wrong once the World democracies decide to ease lockdown measures gradually. I’m not saying we will go quickly back to “as was” but the biggest diference we will notice will not be the pretty minor inconveniences of restricted size gathering or social distancing being maintained, it will be in the economic depression and austerity that will surely follow this unprecedented economic hiatus.
We are far from over the worst of this. A second wave of , as yet, unknown proportions has still to hit us. People in our age group are going to have to be very vigilant and careful not to join in the flow of all post-lockdown activities.
Until the disease structure is better known and vaccine measures are found and rigorously tested, we will suffer some minor inconveniences but we need not be so eager to prove ourselves right here. Promoting higher infection rates, overtly or through omission, means you harm more than yourself. I would happily just let the “South Will Rise Again” MAGA right-to arm-Bears lot get on with infecting each other if I thought it could be done without it being equally damaging to the co-workers, friends and innocent bystanders with whom they come in contact.
As far as this disease is concerned, We Are All In It Together.
MacJay
I also sense a change in the world order, but we are gonna have to agree to disagree on the governments protecting us from the Chinese, I have a horrible feeling that the west are going down the self same route, from what I see it’s all pointing in that direction.
HH
Who are these people a at UEFA,Certainly not ordinary fans,A Working mans game being Exploted,by the media people with money making huges of cash in there bank balances,ordinary fans getting ripped off by Sports Clothing Companies again like Ashley and con making Billions again us ordinary fans get overpriced seats and lousy food ,unless you can afford the posh seats,and like myself and thousands off supporters contribute to giving these spives a good life,Aye I working mans game went out the window long ago .
TIMHORTON on 20TH APRIL 2020 5:51 PM
macjay1
I hope you are right, but i have my doubts.
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How concerning is your experience .
I have seen this coming too .
As have the US electorate .
Hence the success of the Donald .
Covid is just the latest assault on our way of life .
Don`t lose hope though . Stand up and be counted.
The West can and will respond , as it always has , to totalitarianism .
Because it must .
If ever there was a rallying call , this is it .
Pog @ 2:01 completely agree had to laugh at the number of broadcasting hours and newsprint that was wasted wondering when FIFA. UEFA or various FA’s will restart football. Governments and only GOVERNMENTS will make that decision. UEFA et al wil ldecide when the leagues cups etc will end. Stay safe everyone Hail Hail Hebcelt
GER57 on 20TH APRIL 2020 5:53 PM
As a father myself , I am happy to hear that your son Tom is ” fine ” .
Kind regards to you both .
where’s awenaw when you need him?
WHITEDOGHUNCH on 20TH APRIL 2020 5:34 PM
Luvvim.
This killed me .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15g8gKeF0YA
SFTB
I said that it was my last on it, why cos it’s pointless as you well know, we are miles apart.
Google Dr Andrew Kaufman for info on viruses, he is on youtube just now, but will prob get pulled soon, then again it’s pointless cos you won’t believe him.
Look up Dr Sheri Tenpenny for vaccines, nor will you believe this Dr cos of where you are coming from.
I believe these people before those who are scared to speak out against the establishment, these Drs and many others are now starting to speak out, even the msm are starting to question things.
It’s amazing how folks pick and choose what they believe from the msm, when the facts tell you that 99.63% of people who get the virus survive, that’s huge.
Def my last on it, my head is sore enough, that wall is rather hard ‘>}
HH
TET,
I suggest you check out whats happening on cruise liners as an example for the effect of lack of preparation.
Pogma
Yes having 1888 on your back could potentially cause problems in some places.
And yes some abbreviations should be avoided today..
But don’t tell Big Jimmy
This Dr Andrew Kaufman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjPH8f0I1nE
THE EXILED TIM on 20TH APRIL 2020 6:16 PM
My fellow Tim .
The question is simple .
Who do you CHOOSE to believe ?
Your choice .
Hail Hail
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
He broke my heart when I saw him live
I knew he would
And from a man who owns no cd’s vinyl or any music playing things
Canman
I know about the Diamond Princess if that’s the one you are talking about, as for the debunking, I choose not to believe the debunker.
HH
MacJay
Yip and I know who I choose to believe.
HH
TET
Hope u are well.
HH
Guyfawkesaforeverhero, xanadu, good shout. I hadn’t expected this to take off to such an extent tbh, thanks to Big Jimmy for some good suggestions too!
Adi
As well as thanks, marshall law isny the best thing to deal with, but it is what it is.
HH
This Sheri Tenpenny a fkn osteopath ffs right up there with homeopathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht_QAIBwFFg
According to http://www.gasbuddy.com local prices are under $2 per gallon
TET
Everything is strange now….
TET,
a bit surprised you take the foghorn leghorn approach, fingers in the ears, no listening no listening, really thought you had a more open mind than that.
Ruuuuude bhoy….
Canamalar
I remember The Hitch amoung many other respected journous doing pieces on osteopaths
No Never, dangerous dangerous people