Subjective ethics from some in Scottish football

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What grates with me is that the issue on how to end the Scottish league season is portrayed as an ethical question.  If so, ethics are remarkably subjective.

How would I feel if Newco had not imploded (more on that if/when the time comes) so magnificently in the weeks?  Pretty upset that they because of the slimmest of leads, they were able to ‘Stop the Nine’ without Celtic having a chance to turn things around.  A cherished piece of our narrative over these last nine years would have vanished into thin air.

Conversely, what would Douglas Park have to say on the matter, if Steve Gerrard was able to cope with the likes of Hamilton Accies at home, would he be campaigning for the season to become null and void?  Don’t be ridiculous.  They would rename one side of the ground the 2020 Stand.

Anyone who claims they would not advocate the exact opposite view, if their team was due to win/lose a league instead of lose/win is a liar or a self-deceiving fool.  This is not an ethical question and anyone who suggests it is, is being unethical.  It is a pragmatic question:

Will this make you a winner or a loser?
Does this make sense for Scottish football as a whole?

The winners and those without any skin in the game voted Yes.  Only losers voted No.  If Celtic were behind Newco I would want the league null and void to allow us to win nine-in-a-row next season, for purely selfish reasons, not because a moral authority understood it to be right.

Talking about ethics, respect to Roma players, who have agreed to take no pay for four months, while making up shortfalls in non-player wages from their own pockets.  Off the scale ethical standards.  More on this, and Celtic player and executive pay cuts, later.  Many clubs will fall during the crisis, Roma won’t be one of them.

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  1. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Sorry TET but when you advocate unrestricted infection across the population you advocate a higher death rate, the numbers obviously don’t really matter when that is the chosen/preferred strategy. So following that up with “one person dying unnecessarily is one too many” rings a bit hollow.

     

    Unless the deaths of the weak are considered necessary.

  2. CELTIC MAC

     

     

    Just spoke to him.

     

     

    He;s in a bit of pain but says he is improving slowly.

     

     

    Prayers said for the big yin!

  3. fairhill bhoy on

    KINGLUBO-Godfather 1 & 2.

     

    Goodfellas

     

    One upon a time in America

     

    The Shawshank Redemption

     

    A Bronx Tale

     

    A Few Good Men

     

    The Commitments

     

    Rio Bravo

     

    Unforgiven

     

    In no particular order.

     

    Could have picked another 30😉

  4. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Germany’s mortality rate is 0.37%, Germany has more hospital beds, the highest proportional testing ratio and prepared properly for the virus.

     

    So it follows their mortality rate will be lower, the Chinese told the world in early Feb, if you treat people early in the infection you can prevent it becoming critical, the Germans paid attention to that.

  5. I’m no film buff but i love the following in no particular order:

     

     

    Grease

     

    Little miss sunshine

     

    Pulp fiction

     

    Wuthering heights

     

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    Life of Brian

     

    Dirty dancing

     

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    Trainspotting

  6. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    I don’t think you’ve thought this through objectively, looks like you’ve been blinded by the snakeoil salesmen.

  7. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead, with the late Philip Seymour Hoffman,is a cracking movie

  8. Don’t know about a formal top 10, but these work for me

     

    Gregory’s girl

     

    Dirty Harry

     

    Taxi driver

     

    Life of Brian

     

     

    More to come…

  9. Is it ok to have Austin powers in here? The silhouette gags were beyond funny.

     

     

    Cartoons? Monster Inc and toy story.

     

     

    I’m not coming over very cool, am I?!

  10. German efficiency and organisation will have greatly influenced human interaction, distancing and behaviours, which will have greatly reduced the transmission of the virus. Countries, like organisations and people, who have their stuff together are best placed to deal with the virus.

  11. fairhill bhoy on

    GLASGOWBHOY-my favourite film ever ever is The Wizard of Oz.

     

    How flippin cool is that😉

     

    Young at heart

  12. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Spurs still paying Pochettino’s £8.5 million a year salary, 6 months after they sacked him,hopefully football gets a grip when this is all over.

  13. philbhoy

     

     

    Good man. Main thing is that he is on the mend.

     

    And that hopefully he develops an immunity from and to the virus.

  14. The Searchers

     

     

    Goodfellas

     

     

    Godfather 2

     

     

    One flew over the cuckoos nest

     

     

    Blade Runner

     

     

    Chinatown

     

     

    Vertigo

     

     

    Heat

     

     

    2001 Space Odyssey

     

     

    12 Angry Men

     

     

    Give you another 10 tomorrow .hh

  15. Rio Bravo

     

     

    Village of the Damned

     

     

    Once Upon a Time in the West

     

     

    Peggy Sue Got Married

     

     

    Blazing Saddles

  16. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Goodfellas

     

    Before the Devil Knows You’re Dead

     

    Toy Story

     

    3 Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri

     

    The Wolf of Wall Street

     

    One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest

     

    A Night at the Opera

     

    The Untouchables

     

    Mrs Doubtfire

     

    Home Alone in New York

  17. gene

     

     

    Not sure what that assumption is based on. A club a stones throw from Kings Cross in north central London is going to get the ok to play games without or without a crowd? Not any time soon.

     

    Chaotic as the SPFLs seem to be, the fact is in England, every club is looking at things from its’ own perspective, wouldn’t surprise me to see the likes of Leeds and West Brom not getting promoted to the EPL.

  18. Watched the recently made film Contagion the other day

     

    Interesting if you want to see how a pandemic transfers

  19. GLASGOWBHOY on 20TH APRIL 2020 8:48 PM

     

    The shining

     

     

    4 best Stephen King movies ( in my opinion :O) you got your Shawshank,yir Stand by me,yir Dolores Claiborne and The Green Mile (get your hankies oot) hh

  20. If we are not goi g to have full stadiums until at least december, I would be happy to purchase ppv season ticket at full price and I will continue to shop at the superstore when it reopens. Subject to finances remaining ok.

     

     

    I would suggest celtic fc push this if needs be and hopefully most of us are up for it get and it keeps finances up at this time. Less people at games also means less expenditure as well.

     

     

    While I get it’s about surviving there is also a part of me that thinks if celtic are only gonna get 10000 to 15000 people into the stadium so perhaps it is the correct time to get the main stand redeveloped to make it larger and better.

     

     

    Couple of reasons:

     

     

    Borrowing has never been lower so celtic could easily get loan on fabulous terms to pay over a reasonable timeframe.

     

     

    Redevelopment could be carried out when restrictions are in place and so does not add to it.

     

     

    After such a long shutdown demand is likely going to be very high and the added seating will get used.

     

     

    Construction cost will likely be less than normal because of lack of investment at this time.

     

     

    It would create jobs for local people and the local and wider community.

     

     

    HH

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    taxi driver

     

     

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    cool hand luke

     

     

    serpico

     

     

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  22. The Magnificent Seven

     

    Once Upon A Time in West

     

    True Grit ( Remake)

     

    3.10 to Yuma (Remake)

     

    Godfather II

     

    Mean Streets

     

    Rocky

     

    Some Like it Hot

     

    Oliver

     

    High Society

  23. PETEC

     

     

     

    “SFTB, you offer the most fake of Olive Branches……. suggesting I have a Problem.”

     

     

    Sorry you felt that way- I know my wishes for your health were genuine. I did not suggest you had a health problem- it was you who posted that people were advising you to drink less. I merely said that I hope you overcome whatever is troubling you, no matter what it is.

  24. MODERATOR 2

     

     

    Could you please delete my…. Alice in wonderland film…that was a mistake.

     

     

    Thats in my top ten porn parody films tia :))

  25. TET

     

     

    There are always minority views in any profession. The background of the 2 authoriteis you cite, as a Psychiatrist and an Osteopath, means they may be informed on certain medical areas but imunology and virology did not take up a large part of their respective training.

     

     

    That does not mean they are wrong, by virue of their background, but it does show that they are not putting their workings out to a jury of peers. They are being picked up and championed by fring internet sites and the ant-vaccine movement, based on the discredited work of Dr. Andrew Wakefield and the backing given to it by some reputable journalists at Private Eye. Wakefield still believes in his position so might he still be right.

     

     

    One of the telling points against him is that he will not read,a cknowledge or debate the science that proved him wrong. He prefers to paint himself as a censored, rather than as a disproven, pundit and every legal action he has started against his accusers has been withdrawn. Children died and were damaged by the spread of the anti-vaccine movement. I fear the same will happen here with the “sorry-too-late” mob who are out answering Trump’s dogwhistles.

     

     

    I have nothing against alternative medicine per se. I have seen people’s beliefs get them through some very difficult situations and procedures. It is when they proselytise about methods that have not been tested, not been replicated and not been adequately controlled to rule out other alternative causal factors, that they become dangerous.

     

     

    Snake Oil Salesman have a long history but we are no more advanced in our knowledge of which of their products or ingredients work. That is because they won’t do the hard miles and hey won’t subject their ego to the sceptical critique of their peers, which is the only way Science advances.