Subjective ethics from some in Scottish football

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What grates with me is that the issue on how to end the Scottish league season is portrayed as an ethical question.  If so, ethics are remarkably subjective.

How would I feel if Newco had not imploded (more on that if/when the time comes) so magnificently in the weeks?  Pretty upset that they because of the slimmest of leads, they were able to ‘Stop the Nine’ without Celtic having a chance to turn things around.  A cherished piece of our narrative over these last nine years would have vanished into thin air.

Conversely, what would Douglas Park have to say on the matter, if Steve Gerrard was able to cope with the likes of Hamilton Accies at home, would he be campaigning for the season to become null and void?  Don’t be ridiculous.  They would rename one side of the ground the 2020 Stand.

Anyone who claims they would not advocate the exact opposite view, if their team was due to win/lose a league instead of lose/win is a liar or a self-deceiving fool.  This is not an ethical question and anyone who suggests it is, is being unethical.  It is a pragmatic question:

Will this make you a winner or a loser?
Does this make sense for Scottish football as a whole?

The winners and those without any skin in the game voted Yes.  Only losers voted No.  If Celtic were behind Newco I would want the league null and void to allow us to win nine-in-a-row next season, for purely selfish reasons, not because a moral authority understood it to be right.

Talking about ethics, respect to Roma players, who have agreed to take no pay for four months, while making up shortfalls in non-player wages from their own pockets.  Off the scale ethical standards.  More on this, and Celtic player and executive pay cuts, later.  Many clubs will fall during the crisis, Roma won’t be one of them.

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  1. Glad to see mention of my favourite movie “Once Upon A Time in America” featuring Robert De Niro, James Wood, Joe Pesci and even a very young Jennifer Connolly.

     

    Studio interfered with the distribution due to its running time (my version 3 hours 40 mins) but it wowed 1984 Cannes Festival. Brilliant score from Ennio Morricone and Sergio Leone directed an intriguing enigmatic end to the saga ( he had 10 hours worth of film and wanted 2 x 3 hour movies – the studio released a cut down 139 min version which butchered the film).

     

    Well worth a viewing if you can find a copy. The best “Once Upon a Time in …” by far .

  2. No particular order

     

    The Quiet Man

     

    First ever Star Wars movie

     

    Young Frankenstein

     

    Shawshank

     

    Once upon a time in America

     

    The Commitments

     

    LOTR

     

    Godfather

     

    The Memphis Belle

     

    Ghandi

  3. No particular order

     

     

    Godfather 1

     

    Godfather 2

     

    Gladiator

     

    From here to eternity

     

    A man called horse

     

    Gangs of New York

     

    Gone with the wind

     

    Braveheart

     

    Rob Roy

     

    Full monty

     

     

    Will start thinking about all the really great ones i left out like Lawrence of Arabia and Dr.Chivgao.

  4. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    1. The Maltese Falcon

     

     

    2. Build My Gallows High

     

     

    3. Double Indemnity

     

     

    4. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

     

     

    5. The Shawshank Redemption

     

     

    6. Brute Force

     

     

    7. Kind Hearts and Coronets

     

     

    8. The Importance of Being Earnest

     

     

    9. The League of Gentlemen

     

     

    10. The Asphalt Jungle

  5. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Honourable mentions if I may

     

     

    Spartacus

     

     

    The Hill

     

     

    The Lost Weekend

     

     

    The Departed

     

     

    School for Scoundrels

     

     

    Too many Crooks

     

     

    The Usual Suspects

     

     

    The Lion

     

     

    Becket

     

     

    North by Northwest

  6. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    I knew I should have gone to bed instead of getting involved in this.

     

     

    True Grit

     

     

    The Big Heat

     

     

    Miracle on 34th Street (the original)

     

     

    The Scalp hunters

     

     

    The Music Man

  7. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    Cool Runnings

     

     

    The funny Star Trek movie

     

     

    The Sting

     

     

    Kansas City Confidential

     

     

    Rear Window

  8. Drove down interstate today to collect my groceries.

     

    On way gas stations were selling regular as low as $1.97 a gallon.

     

    To the point, driving at rush hour roads were quiet with only large trucks and very few cars.

     

    Truckers must be loving the lack of congestion enabling them to drive more miles and earn more money.

     

    To the point at last. My daughter told me that a patient at the hospital where she used to work in ER, was given blood plasma and recovered quickly and was taken off a ventilator.

     

    So the hope for treatments is a real one and not just pie in the sky.

  9. Discussion with my daughter on the herd immunity theory has left me with a number of questions for the resident epidemiologists.

     

    If we continue to practice social distancing and continue the confinement, are we merely slowing down the full extent of the crisis?

     

    Will the number of casualties be similar but just take longer to reach?

     

    Is there an alternative?

     

    Are the number of cases much higher but unreported because many of those infected had mild symptoms and didn’t identify as ill with the virus?

     

    Have these folks developed immunity and if so can their antibodies be harvested to treat seriously ill patients and or the vulnerable like myself?

     

    Can they be the ones who can first return to work and help create the fabled or perhaps mythical herd immunity?

  10. ‘GG…with social distancing…we restrict herd immunity for now…given time we can all come together…whether in peace n harmony is another question

  11. Tobago Street on

    In no particular order

     

     

    The Defiant Ones, Tony Curtis Sidney Poitier

     

    2001 A Space Odyssey

     

    Big Night, Tony Shalloub Stanley Tucci

     

    The Big Chill

     

    The Deer Hunter, Robert De Niro, Raging Bull

     

    The Great Dictator, Charlie Chaplin

     

    The Godfather

     

    O Brother Where Art Thou, Coen Brothers

     

    Paths of Glory, Stanley Kubrick

     

    A L I E N

     

     

    New list tomorrow I think

     

     

    T

  12. Better half just gave me a wee block of chocolate which tastes remarkably how I remember the taste of Fry’s Five Bhoys from way back when. Spelling deliberate.

     

    We both came to the same conclusion and wonder if anyone else remembers the slogan on the cover.

  13. I see we are listing movies. Favourites?

     

    The Quiet Man.

     

    Braveheart

     

    It’s a Wonderful Life.

     

    Ben Hur

     

    She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

     

    Marty

     

    High Noon

     

    Psycho

     

    Lawrence of Arabia

     

    The Shawshank Redemption

  14. ‘GG

     

    Five Bhoys (Boys) chocolate…must b a generational thing…never even heard of it. Is the slogan…lets form a boyband nobody will remember ;-))

     

     

    H.H.

  15. I see UEFA meet later Tuesday to discuss how to finish the season.

     

    Prediction. Can kicked down the road.

     

    What they should do:

     

    Award titles in any league with greater than 70% games completed.

     

    Title awarded to team currently leading the standings by more than 6 points.👏

     

    Cue hysteria in Govan. 😂

  16. TLT

     

    I had a vague idea of it but had to Google to confirm.

     

    DESPERATION. PACIFICATION. EXPECTATION. ACCLAMATION. REALIZATION.

     

    Ah happy days anticipation my mother returning from the Coop with a cake of chocolate.

  17. Best ten movies in any order…

     

     

    Alien

     

    Training day

     

    The departed

     

    The Matrix

     

    Lord of the rings

     

    The green mile

     

    Usual suspects

     

    Pulp fiction

     

    Jaws

     

    Avatar

     

     

    HH

  18. The hand of God on

    GG…I remember a bar called Fry’s five centres there was also a bar of Caburys Milk Tray with another similar bar called Plain Choice for the more discerning customer.A cake of chocolate is real old skool.

  19. The hand of God on

    10 old skool chocolate bars Aztec bar Mint cracknel MB bar Texan bar Bar Six Cadburys Caramel Toffee Treats Cabana Lion bar Golden Cup One flew over the cuckoo nest (sorry wrong list)

  20. MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 20TH APRIL 2020 5:00 PM

     

    BIG JIMMY on 20TH APRIL 2020 1:39 PM

     

     

     

     

    To those of a tory persuasion…

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Simple question…

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Are PM Johnson and his Tory Govt…”BLAMELESS” for the EXTENT of COVID-19 in the UK ?

     

     

     

     

     

     

    A simple YES or NO will suffice.

     

     

     

     

    =============================================================

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Ok , Jimmy.

     

     

     

     

    I`ll bite , in spite of the blatantly unreasonable restriction you demand …….

     

     

     

     

     

     

    The answer is ” I don`t know ” . ” The Extent ” is a meaningless concept .

     

     

     

     

    Do you mean the spread ?

     

    …………………

     

     

    I didnt Copy and Paste all of your post…cos you were just repeating yourself in the same post….YAWN.

     

     

    But, you did ADMIT that you “Didnt Know” ?????

     

    Since you are obviously very unsure about whether the Tory UK Govt are “Blameless” or not…you STILL jump to the defence of PM Johnson and his Mob…

     

     

    Given the wall to wall coverage of The NHS NOT getting the PROPER PPE…or the time that was wasted by this Tory Mob to act , your still licking Boris’s boots…

     

    Sickening !

     

     

    Where you upset and in tears when your Queen was “AFFECTED” by the Virus due to a 21 Gun Salute being cancelled….while thousands of her loyal subjects are suffering and dying ?

     

     

    Chump !

  21. CELTIC MAC on 20TH APRIL 2020 6:20 PM

     

    Pogma

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Yes having 1888 on your back could potentially cause problems in some places.

     

     

     

     

    And yes some abbreviations should be avoided today..

     

     

     

     

    But don’t tell Big Jimmy

     

    ……………..

     

     

    I should have known about Hitler etc, as I watch enough Documentaries…however being in self isolation and this is now the start of my 33rd day…there is little or no chance of anyone ( except on here) seeing any HH yesterday.

     

    HH

  22. GLASGOWBHOY on 20TH APRIL 2020 6:37 PM

     

    Guyfawkesaforeverhero, xanadu, good shout. I hadn’t expected this to take off to such an extent tbh, thanks to Big Jimmy for some good suggestions too!

     

    ………….

     

    MaX Bygraves.

  23. Apologises to anyone who already asked this question of Macjay….

     

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    MACJAY 20th April 5.31pm

     

    Don`t buy Chinese .

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Because in doing so , you are subsidising totalitarianism .

     

    ……………

     

     

    So you say to everyone DO NOT buy Chinese ?

     

    For the sake of argument…What IF China produced the ONLY Vaccine for this COVID-19 Worldwide and it was properly tested and a 99% success rate was officially recorded…and China was offering this great Vaccine for very little cost…

     

     

    QUESTION…

     

     

    YOU…. while suffering from COVID-19…and maybe other members of your family were also suffering…YOU would STILL NOT want to buy or except anything for free from China…so you would tell your Aussie Govt to get lost as YOU an your family dont want to Buy it ?

     

    A simple YES/NO would Suffice…

  24. BABASONICOS71 on

    Morning fholks.

     

     

    10 MOVIES:

     

     

    Taxi Driver

     

    Raging Bull

     

    Withnail & I

     

    Amores Perros

     

    City of God

     

    Life of Brian

     

    Pan’s Labyrinth

     

    Wild At Heart

     

    Calvary

     

    Do The Right Thing

     

     

    And an honourable mention for anything by the Marx Bros.

     

     

    Stay safe 🍀

  25. lets all do the huddle on

    the last few posts put me in the mood for a chinese and a texan bar

     

     

    what a brekkie that would be

     

     

    texan bars were magic. only problem was if you got a chewy one it took your fillings out but if you got a hard one it broke your teeth

     

     

    worth it though

  26. KING LUBO…

     

     

    Arsenic and Old Lace. Cary Grant …superb comedy timing.

     

    The Quiet Man,

     

    Angels with Dirty Faces.

     

    My Darlin Clementine. ( Victor Mature/Henry Fonda are both superb.

     

    Godfather 1 and 2.

     

    Young Frankenstein.

     

    Blazing Saddles.

     

    Ben Hur.

     

    Spartacus.

     

    HH