Canada face Venezuela overnight in a game which if the South Americans lose, will see the final Celtic player break for the summer. Even if Canada are eliminated in the small hours of Saturday morning, Alistair Johnston will have a short break before picking up for the new term. Venezuela topped their group with maximum points, so will start favourites.
Celtic’s first competitive game is four weeks away, while the squad head to the USA in less than a fortnight. Brendan Rodgers could be tempted to start the season with Anthony Ralston at right back to extend Johnston’s break.
Alistair has played every minute of Canada’s campaign, whereas Cameron Carter-Vickers Copa America experience with the USA was limited to one substitute appearance. Neither will be properly rested for the new campaign, no matter how much extended leave Brendan allows.
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A bit of a twist in this question.
1878: Jimmy Quinn born in Croy, Dumbartonshire.
“He was the keystone in the greatest team the Celts ever had.”
Willie Maley
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OK Scullybhoy. Time for you to get challenged. Boot on the other foot and all that.
3 questions coming up, one at a time.
Question 1
Which renowned classical composer wrote a concerto following a Celtic match based on aspects of Celtic’s performance?
20 minutes to answer
Scullybhoy
Thought I had heard that quote before.
The great Jimmy Quinn. Scored a hattrick against the hun after we went 2-0 down in the Cup Final.
Benjamin Britten.
Hrvatski Jim on 8th July 2024 10:26 am
OK Scullybhoy. Time for you to get challenged. Boot on the other foot and all that.
3 questions coming up, one at a time.
Question 1
Which renowned classical composer wrote a concerto following a Celtic match based on aspects of Celtic’s performance?
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I must admit I (and Google) can’t find the answer. Will you accept?
Lyrics
#Oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao,
Glasgow Celtic,
The best in Scotland,
The only team for me and you… # [Repeat ad nauseam]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMfKmQiNpfk
Make the next one a bit easier, please.
Good morning from a sun drenched North Staffs. Chance to get in the garden to tackle those pesky weeds.
Surely we’ll have a goalie signed this week.
Hrvatski Jim
I need GG, Belfast Joe, BRB etc. Can I sign them before the transfer window slams shut?
Hrvatski Jim
I have to go to the pool with the wife in the next 10 minutes, so if you post the questions now, can I have a go at them in an hour from now?
HH
Chairbhoy @ 4.55
“ It now seems clear to me that Celtic PLC are under a sunk cost fallacy paralysis as they continue to be in denial about their failed recruitment strategy and even worse implementation of said policy.”
More money in the bank than they can possibly spend?
I hope not, and too soon for the wall punching posts that you get as soon as the transfer window opens. Too soon also, to write off Celtic’s overall very sound strategy, where they made a significant change in the head of department, long before the double was secured, largely I think due to Brendan Rodger’s prowess.
I think ‘paralysis’ should be viewed as caution and patience to avoid the wrong staff, some of whom have already switched continents again, and are unlikely to come back. It’s a revolving door in Parkhead and we don’t know who’ll be on the plane to the States.
We’re still on course to win our first ever close season cup.
HH
And Idah has scored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The heartbreaking 1980s away goals defeat for Celtic in Europe that inspired a frenzied piano concerto
18 October 2017
A night when the footballing gods conspire against your team can feel like an epic tragedy.
But Sir James MacMillan was musically moved by one particular defeat for his beloved club.
“There’s a piece of mine called The Berserking which was inspired by a Celtic – Partizan Belgrade European qualifier in 1989 and it’s all about wasted energy.
“It’s probably the only piano concerto in the history of music that was inspired by the away goals rule in football.”
The Kilwinning-born composer told Kirsty Young on Desert Island Discs that “the most unusual pieces I’ve written are the works inspired by Glasgow Celtic Football Club.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f45739StCA
This game.
Next question and i register my discontent that anyone is using Google!
Answer to Q1 is Sir James McMillan a renowned Celtic supporter who attended the match. He was commissioned to write music for the late Queen’s platinum jubilee.
Question 2 – He wrote the concerto about a Celtic match when we played with the highest intensity and got into a winning position but blew it at the end. What was the match?
Give away clue – there was a link with Celtic to the opposition’s final goal scorer about 25 years later.
And there is Adam Idah!
Son of Scepovic the final goalscorer on the night signed for Celtic in 2014.
SCULLYBHOY on 8TH JULY 2024 10:54 AM
The heartbreaking 1980s away goals defeat for Celtic in Europe that inspired a frenzied piano concerto
A night when the footballing gods conspire against your team can feel like an epic tragedy.
But Sir James MacMillan was musically moved by one particular defeat for his beloved club.
“There’s a piece of mine called The Berserking which was inspired by a Celtic – Partizan Belgrade European qualifier in 1989 and it’s all about wasted energy.
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I remember the second leg vividly.
Given how little (relatively) was at stake …. it was the worst I had ever felt at full time at any match in my life.
(Surpassed by Raith Rovers five years later)
Missed your answer. Expect an indefinite ban for using Google once I report to you Paul!
I was a full back and was at the match witnessing Alan Sneddon (right back) and Roy Aitken (right midfield) at the opposition’s corner flag as we had got into a winning position just as the game was about to finish leaving gaps in midfield and at the back. I was screaming at them to get back to cover their positions. We all know what happened next.
Title and inspiration
The Berserkers was inspired by a group of Norse warriors called Berserkers, who were reported to have fought in an uncontrollable, trance-like fury. MacMillan wrote in the score program note:
Although deadly in combat, the berserking process was paradoxically a suicidal one since, having lost their senses, they were vulnerable to a more stealthy attack. As a Scot living in the modern world this behaviour seems very familiar! I see its pointlessness as resembling the Scots’ seeming facility for shooting themselves in the foot in political and, for that matter, in sporting endeavours. (In fact the initial burst of inspiration for The Berserking came in 1989 after watching a soccer game in which Glasgow Celtic turned in a characteristically passionate, frenzied but ultimately futile display against Partizan Belgrade!).[1]
Chairbhoy 4.55
Hi there,
It now seems clear to me that Celtic PLC are under a sunk cost fallacy paralysis as they continue to be in denial about their failed recruitment strategy and even worse implementation of said policy.
What seems clear?
What is sunk cost fallacy paralysis?
If there is denial about failed recruitment strategy,are you not showing your own bias and maybe confirming it by implying its implemented as a policy?
Chairbhoy, can you expand on the above please,in laymans terms as i have come across 1or2 fiscal terms in my time but yours are new.
Hope all good in the chilterns :-)
HH
If it’s the 1989 Partizan Belgrade game , it was Anton Rogan who was playing, not Alan Sneddon.
Think it was their third goal we were caught out.
Plenty of defenders about for the fourth.
Chairbhoy
“BR has stated all the players and positions have been identified so what could possibly be the hold up?”
I would suggest (yet again) the following:-
1. The willingness of our identified targets to come to Celtic at all
2. The willingness of our identified targets to come to Celtic until they have fully investigate all other options
3. The willingness of some clubs to sell to Celtic unless they pay a premium (Scottish clubs)
4. The willingness of Celtic to pay more than what a player is worth (explain why we should).
5. Agents playing silly games for a cut.
6. Wage expectations or demands that player or agent set that seriously break our wage limits (again explain why we should and how we deal with the consequences)
7. Celtic being willing to be patient and allowing the player/transferring club to examine options and realise that Celtic are the best bet still standing
8. Celtic being willing to sacrifice the results of pre-season friendlies in order to recruit better players for the more important Euro and SPFL challenge. I know our USA supporters and some here will be disappointed if the results are really bad but the world will little note what occurs on our pre-season friendlies.
These cannot be new concepts to your ears so it is surprising that you could not imagine the responses to your posed question.
Probably like most this is a new one on me!
“Sunk cost fallacy is a phenomenon where a person is reluctant to abandon or let go of a course of action because of the monetary, physical, or emotional investment done, despite knowing that continuing the course of action is bringing more damage than good”
Moisey 17
“It’s amazing how a few pounds and serious negotiations manage to grease the wheels ”
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Sounds so easy when you frame it like that.
So, let’s put it into practical examples:_
1. Adam Idah- Our recruiting team say we can bid for Adam Idah and we can pay his club anything from £5m to £8m tops, anything more will be paying over the odds and we can get the equivalent player for less elsewhere in our targets.
So Norwich demand £9m as they open negotiiations- Do you pay it? Why?
So Adam demands £5k more per week than Callum gets- Do you pay him? Why? What will other players think?
So, Adam’s agent wants a sweetener to make his player demonstrate his unhappiness to Norwich so they’ll accept the Lower transfer fee. Do you pay him £1m to get Norwich to possibly accept £1m less? What if you do and Norwich don’t budge?
2. Paolo Bernardo- His club want him to go and he is willing to come to Celtic but….. Say last year on loan PB was willing to play for £4k per week. We see promise in him and are willing to offer him £6k a week to sign a proper contract. But PB and his agent say they want £9k a week- Do you pay? what do you say and do to the more regular players who are already here who are now earning less than a guy who plays less regularly than them? (ignore the accuracy of my £3k, £6k and £9k figures- they’re just guesswork. Just respond to the fact that it can be multiples of what you have budgeted for and value the player at, but it takes him past players like Kuhn and Palma, Hatate and Scales who play more games for Celtic.
Why if the only issue with the completion of the ‘renovations’ of Ibrox is the hold up of the steel being delivered, could David Murray not help them out, after all he was a steel magnet for many years owning MIM? I can’t imagine that he’d want too much money either, the last time he was there he sold the whole place and he only wanted £1!
We seem to have several transfer deadline days at Celtic. The start of pre-season training, the plane for a pre-season trip to the USA, the start of the Scottish league program and, the transfer window itself.
If we are to judge Celtic by their eurorean performance I dont think we should be signing players with a view to them appearing in a pre-season tour. The CL starts 17 September, as long as they are in and settled by that date I’m prepared for it to take as long as needed to get the best quality in we can.
Interesting that we still cant get Bernardo over the line. He is represented by Jorge Mendes, same agent who looks after Jota and who strung out the deal for him to sign for 6 weeks even though we had a deal in place.
I saw someone said the other day that he had been badly advised with his move to Saudi. If reports are correct he’s sitting on £10m in cash, set up for life and able to make dictions about his next move without any pressure about wages. Which isnt to say that Mendes wont get the best deal he can for his client.
Is it just about winning, or is it about playong exciting attacking football and entertaining the fans ?
in other news Lisa Nandy starts her first day as Culture Secretary. I went to a Labour Party meeting she did a talk at not long ago, she always seems a very genuine person to me.
As the local MP for Wigan she was involved when Wigan FC went into administration and in the takeover that saved it. She has experience of the devastating impact that the actions of bad owners can have on a club and a community. She has also been vocal about the need for government “to reform football governance to help shield clubs from the actions of reckless owners and give fans a bigger say in how their club is run.”
As Culture Secretary football falls under her remit so, lucky for them, it looks like English football has someone in government with a genuine interest in the well-being of the game, and who will push through the reforms the game needs.
In no way a party-political comment but it would be nice if we had someone batting for the good guys in Scottish government.
or someone with a genuine interest in the well-being of the game because of all the good it can do
Hrvatski Jim on 8th July 2024 11:10 am
Missed your answer. Expect an indefinite ban for using Google once I report to you Paul!
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Awh come on Jim. Does using the Celtic Wiki count as Google? If so I accept my ‘Red, Red, Red Card, Red Card.’
Question 3 please.
Old Parkhead songs and chants that have disappeared:-
“Aye Aye Yippee- Your mother is a Hippie!
Aye Aye Yippee Yippee Yay”
They don’t write the old ones any more csc
There’s a new article
Scullybhoy
Question 3 was going to be the name and context of the composition but it has all been outed.
Thank you for all your posts and teaser questions. Enjoy your holiday.
New article up
partizan game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKFafmPBRzU