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I suppose it is inevitable, this far into a period of domination, that draws and defeats attract disproportionate criticism.  We are not used to defeats, recently we have not even been used to a season without a treble, so reactions to dropping five points in a week have few reference points.

In the social media era, players are not immune to what is being said about them, some of them no doubt reflecting on years of successful service behind them, who perhaps feel deserted when the call was made.

I know what you’re thinking, this is classic paradoxical intent.  We react to that which makes us anxious in a way that can only increase our anxiety.

Neil Lennon is dealing with the absence of Forrest, Edouard, Johnston, Jullien, Bitton, Elhamed and Barkas, and easing the return to fitness of Ajeti, Christie and Griffiths, while hurting at some painful results.

We travel to France tomorrow then back in the early hours of Friday before it all goes on the line, again, at Hampden on Sunday.  All while Aberdeen rest and prepare.  In these circumstances, this is a tough ask.  Tougher still without support, and I don’t mean supporters, I mean actual support.  This is a no-brainer time, circle the wagons and get back to doing what we always do.

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  1. PHILBHOY on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 3:20 PM

     

     

    Afraid that’s not one of my favourites – don’t mind playing up hills or down hills but all Linlithgow’s hills were setup sidieways !!!

  2. I hope circling the wagons works for the players and management.

     

     

    It will have absolutely no effect on the support cos we are stuck at home and in no position to affect the security of the circle.

     

     

    As long as we are behind in the league and whenever we drop points, there will be a quiver full of arrows to fire and a tomahawk which will not cease to rise and fall till it is decorated with the blood of Neil Lennon.

     

     

    Peter Lawwell speaks with forked tongue and the Treaty of Res Twelve has been broken too many times for us to smoke the pipe of peace.

     

     

    Once that Crazy Horse is on the Mad Dog and Shitting Bull is on the Buckie, there’ll be no stopping the Wee Arra People.

     

     

    Bury My Heart at Wounded Lille csc

  3. FAVOURITE UNCLE on

    Watching BAYE

     

     

    RN there the other team break and 5 BAYERN players run back in a straight line.

  4. I actually disagree that thursday night is any less important than sunday.

     

    Lenny and this celtic team need a shot in the arm and real quick.

     

    Getting past aberdeen at hampden is hardly a turn in fortunes.

     

    It is expected.It is demanded and required.

     

    Winning away in France however would change the whole vibe to our season.

     

    Actually it could be argued that even getting a draw in France against Lille could be our best result of the season and a starting point to our recovery.

  5. so Neil says your telling Porkies, fake news about dressing room busts up and lack of morale.

     

     

    who to believe ? the texters and the rumour spreaders or the leader ?

     

     

    Neil says I coach the team every day, what do people know about what coaching I do.

     

     

    who to believe the behind the couch coaches or the leader ?

  6. SAINT STIVS on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:23 PM

     

     

    He did say though that some players didn’t want to be there and it’s probably best they leave. Those players are here and still being picked.

  7. Was there any polls in the rags, to sack Cacxhina,Warburton, Gerrard ? Thought as much…..

  8. Lazy D

     

     

    It sure would be an achievement cos its a high bar.

     

     

    We have played 9 time in France in Eiro competition and won once, against Nantes way back in 1966. We have lost 5 times and drawn twice (with Rennes) and once with Bordeaux, before losing at home . Seems we can do ok in Brittany but, not so much elsewhere in France.

  9. FAVOURITE UNCLE on

    MAJESTIC HARTSON on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 2:15 PM

     

     

    I sent your question from earlier to AULDHEID to see if he knows him he comes from the CALTON.

  10. GEEBEE1978 on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:28 PM

     

    SAINT STIVS on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:23 PM

     

     

    He did say though that some players didn’t want to be there and it’s probably best they leave. Those players are here and still being picked.

     

     

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    yes he did.

     

    I wonder if any real bids came in for any of the want aways ?

     

    if they did would they still be here ?

     

     

    given the covid and injury impacts the manager is left to pick who is available, what else can he do ?

  11. Paul the Spark: Condolences to to you on the sad loss of your mother.

     

     

    Ar dheis lámh Dhé go raibh a hanam uasal.

  12. !!BADA BING!! on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:35 PM

     

     

    These prks who phone Snyde,should get strung up.

     

     

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    last guy was a rambling muppet

     

     

    that was a good listen though from king kenny.

  13. Cambhoy 3.22

     

    Sciatica is a terrible thing to get through ,but speaking from experience you have to try and keep on the move ,sitting or lying down will not get rid of it .

     

    Pain killers and movement are the thing .Good luck HH

  14. SAINT STIVS on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:35 PM

     

     

    I’m not sure any real bids did come in – which is nice PR for the club if we want to spin it as “we retained our top players” but I think one or two might’ve been for the off had a substantial bid come in….maybe Ntcham.

     

     

    While I’m not saying it’s anybody’s fault, it might be contributing to the passiveness on the field.

     

     

    I also question Lennon’s decision to come out and say it at the time.

  15. Of course there will be unrest behind the scens.

     

     

    It’s a football club full of guys competing for places.

     

     

    Success has many father but failure is an orphan.

     

     

    In the good times, when you’re winning, almost everyone is happy and smiling.

     

     

    When you are losing, you snarl and nit pick and words get said.

     

     

    But then you get on with fixing it. It’s not unusual and its not, for the most part, unhealthy.

     

     

    Occasionally, it goes too far and you lose a George Connelly who was not made for that environment, or Mark Viduka leverags a toxic atmosphere to try and justify his betrayal of the club.

     

     

    But, for every bad fall out like that, there are 20 cases of players either making up or just getting on with it. Tosh McKinlay & Larsson, Lennon & McGeady, Bobo and Stan: it’s all fluff. You will never stop the petty fights and the fallouts. You do not have to love your team mates but you do have to find a way to work with them that works best for you and them.

     

     

    Mind you, as one of the few who does not hae an inside mole telling me how toxc things are, I am possibly under-informed as to how serious it is this time around.

  16. SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:31 PM

     

     

    Lenny pulled off our first win on Italian soil last season so I make no apologies for hoping we can win in France.

     

    We nearly did it last season against Rennes.

     

    I hear a lot about a ‘performance’ is what we need.?

     

    I disagree.

     

    This team needs a result.

     

    A performance can be subjective .A result is never subjective.

     

    We are possibly 90 mins away from changing the narrative.

     

    That’s the beauty of football.

  17. SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:40 PM

     

     

    I’ve also heard Chris Sutton say quite often that it’s not necessary to even “like” each other. I know that might be typical coming from someone as surly as him but it’s a good insight to what a “teammate” really is and needs to be.

  18. I wish Lenny wouldn’t respond to all the crap and nonsense from ‘journalists’. I know he has to defend players if asked but he should just say ‘not true, next?’

     

    If challenged he should take the high ground and say we haven’t been as good as we hoped but we’ll get over it and we are the treble treble winners two games away from winning another trophy.

     

    We’re the Champions and have a team full of winners, have some respect!

  19. !!BADA BING!! on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:35 PM

     

    These prks who phone Snyde,should get strung up.

     

     

    …….,,,,,,,,,…..

     

     

    Bada

     

     

    If you and others don’t listen to it the pricks won’t have SSB to phone.

  20. weebobbycollins on

    TOSB…the only view I am expressing on here is my dismay at the vitriol aimed at the manager…I have no complaints if posters want rid of Neil, however, when those opinions are expressed in an insulting manner then I feel entitled to challenge them, especially after everything Neil has achieved here. Sorry you feel it’s just backround noise. Try some blog ear plugs…

  21. Por Ciero, TheOriginalSadiesBhoy,

     

     

     

    Thank you both for the welcome back. :) Another couple of my malcontented ramblings and you’ll both be wishing I’d remained a stranger! :)

     

     

    /p

  22. Phone in guy wants

     

     

    Paul Lambert with Johan with Stan with Hartson.

     

     

    or the other guy

     

     

    Yoo Hoo Hosie Morinijo (maybe he is in at christmas).

  23. TOSB ( ages ago )

     

     

    Thats a shame that your’e disappointed, my post could have been better timed had I read back, I’d have waited till the coast was clear, to be supportive of Celtic.

     

     

    You’re disappointment is not with my lack of intellect I’m sure , it stems from the fact you can’t get to Celtic Park, you’re down with cabin fever like the rest of the support, I’m sure you’d be there supporting Neil and the Bhoys, like the rest of the VST Brigade.

     

     

    However, somebody near your seat in Celtic Park is bound to disagree with your opinion you’ve already gotten across on the CQN ‘Knock Yourself Out basis’, I previously referred to.

     

     

    Sadly, your opinion and lack of trust in our manager, thats merely picked the team eleven times this season, no matter how you ‘sugar coat it’ happens to be the same as the Daily Record, there’s no escape, no matter your alacrity or passion.

     

     

    Neil, is all to aware that he wasn’t Mr Popularity when got the job permanently, and even put on record he knew full well St Brendan would be a difficult act to follow, my own intellect is fact based, and not born from a premediated dislike of Neil Lennon that way too many Celtic fans share, or harbour.

     

     

    He’s won the league just twice, that’s just the twice of asking, and is still in the Scottish Cup, a competition that the current Rainjurz aren’t even in, he faces the top sides of Milan Prague and Lille, I think he deserves our support.

     

     

    Celtic losing in Europe is as old as Jock Stein, who did so regularly, once with a brand new formation ( not dissimilar would you believe to Neil Lennon’s 3-5-2 ) It was revealed in The Celtic View in 1967, yes 67, but we went out to Dynamo Kiev at Celtic Park

     

     

    I try to keep it light, and lit.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  24. SAINT STIVS

     

    I never accept the wild rumours about dressing rooms bust ups, etc.

     

    As for the coaching, remember there are at least a couple, and possibly more, posters on here with exactly the same coaching badges as Neil. As supporters AND coaches, they have the right to voice their opinions on our tactics and formations.

  25. WEEBOBBYCOLLINS on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:51 PM

     

    TOSB…the only view I am expressing on here is my dismay at the vitriol aimed at the manager…I have no complaints if posters want rid of Neil, however, when those opinions are expressed in an insulting manner then I feel entitled to challenge them, especially after everything Neil has achieved here. Sorry you feel it’s just backround noise. Try some blog ear plugs…

     

     

    …………………….

     

    In most cases it’s not vitriol, it’s reasoned argument. The manager is not above criticism. His critics are being slammed for commenting on shortcomings that they see with their own eyes. They are being mocked for being amateur tacticians and so called experts etc if they dare to criticise team shape, substitutions, tactics etc.

     

     

    That’s what following a football team is all about. Having a say, stating an opinion, watching a lot of games and drawing conclusions. Some of us have attended or watched on tv hundreds or thousands of games over many decades and we might not be experts on all aspects of football but we do know a few things about it. If we state our opinions in a reasonable way then we are entitled to a reasonable response. Constantly sniping at posters is not a reasonable response.

  26. INIQUITOUSIV on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 7:08 PM

     

    SAINT STIVS

     

     

    I never accept the wild rumours about dressing rooms bust ups, etc.

     

     

    As for the coaching, remember there are at least a couple, and possibly more, posters on here with exactly the same coaching badges as Neil. As supporters AND coaches, they have the right to voice their opinions on our tactics and formations.

     

     

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    I think I caught a post saying you have the coaching badges yourself, and a head of business at sometime (if I got it wrong) i mix up my posters. If aye, then hat doffed, better qualified than me.

     

     

    I get it , we have opinions, relevant experiences, however I still think somew of the comments and slanderous stuff about the man himself, are just horrible, add JK into that as well.

     

     

    I sometimes think when someone says “I coached and Neil should do this obvious thing, case in point it was his fault on sunday that the players contrived to lose the 3rd goal because he didnt tighten it up, is about as relevent as me over at Glasgow Airport shouting at the Emirates pilot for landing the big bird because I used to drive a fork-truck.

  27. Bournesouprecipe

     

     

    Jock Stein’s Celtic had to face stiffer domestic opposition than Neil Lennon’s do. Of course Jock lost games in Europe but he took us to two EC finals and even won one. I was at the Kiev game of which you speak. Jock’s Celtic team played in a Scottish League which had some of the best teams in Europe. Rangers, Dunfermline, Kilmarnock and Hibs were no slouches. Neither were Dundee or Hearts. Jock also had to manage the Club at a time when Rangers had far more financial resources than Celtic.

     

     

    Neil Lennon faces no such quality amongst today’s challengers. We are now the team with the better financial resources. Neil has lost twice in CL qualification. That’s just the twice of asking. I have no premeditated dislike of him either and was hugely supportive of him during his first years of tenure.

     

     

    To be honest I don’t really care if the Daily Record support my view. I held my view before them and stated my position. To be honest I haven’t read the rag since ‘Thugs and Thieves’ so wouldn’t have known what their view was if you hadn’t told me. I’m surprised you’re still paying attention to it.

  28. MCPHAIL BHOY- that was my first thought, say nothing, but polls for a man to lose his job is morally reprehensible, I have posted for years to ban the rags,but my own take is,they have something on PL,no proof but why have we constantly bent over,with no response on the countless lies about the Club and supporters?

  29. THEORIGINALSADIESBHOY on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 7:13 PM

     

    WEEBOBBYCOLLINS on 27TH OCTOBER 2020 6:51 PM

     

     

     

     

    TOSB…the only view I am expressing on here is my dismay at the vitriol aimed at the manager…I have no complaints if posters want rid of Neil, however, when those opinions are expressed in an insulting manner then I feel entitled to challenge them, especially after everything Neil has achieved here. Sorry you feel it’s just backround noise. Try some blog ear plugs…

     

     

     

     

     

     

    …………………….

     

     

     

     

    In most cases it’s not vitriol, it’s reasoned argument. The manager is not above criticism. His critics are being slammed for commenting on shortcomings that they see with their own eyes. They are being mocked for being amateur tacticians and so called experts etc if they dare to criticise team shape, substitutions, tactics etc.

     

     

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    I will say it again.

     

    The individual line comments before , during and after the Rangers game , by certain posters , were disgusting. It was vitriol. It was personal attacks. The body language experts, the mental health experts, Neil and John deserve more respect.

     

     

    This continued through the week, reached another fever pitch at the Milan game, Continued through the Aberdeen game.

     

     

    If any Celtic supporter took part in that shameful newspaper poll, and the online polls, hang your heads.

     

     

    So, that is where I am.

     

     

    Same when they attack Brown, or individual players, comment on performance issues, not the man.

     

     

    It is sickening.

     

     

    I fully excpect now for a few to pop up with sarcastic comment, but I know what they will type before they even start.

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