I’ve plenty of sympathy for Niall McGinn for coming under pressure after being spotted at the Kilmarnock-Celtic game on Monday, but not in any way distressed. Players watch former clubs all the time, it’s not even remotely an issue, but Niall is experiencing the cost of playing in a team at the top of the league. Aberdeen fans would neither notice nor care where he was on Monday if they were in their usual mid-table spot.
A taste of internecine strife does more damage than any external party could ever hope to inflict. Glad to hear it’s taken route at our nearest rivals. On a similar note…….
A serious bid to bring newco Rangers to its knees got into full swing yesterday, as thousands of ‘fans’ signed up to spend not a penny more with the club, while mock-Rangers jerseys (should that be mock-mock-Rangers?), sold by fans’ groups, were profiled in the media.
If you know your history, 20 years ago a group of Celtic fans, some working on the frontline, some working behind the scenes, orchestrated the Celts for Change campaign, which ultimately brought regime change at Celtic.
Celts for Change had two fundamental factors in their favour: people with access to the money required to resolve the club’s problems were among them, while those running Celtic did not have access to significant funds, personal or otherwise.
The lessons of Celts for Change is that before you hurt the club you love: make sure you are capable of laying a glove on those you are trying to damage, and when you bring things to a head, ensure you have the money to put things right. In newco’s case this will be many tens of millions.
I backed Celts for Change and I wholeheartedly back those who are trying to bring down newco. Their plans and foresight are exceptional.
Care to guess which Scottish club has been most active in the transfer market this month? Falkirk, who have signed their fifth player. They have won six of their last seven games and are now within a win of getting into a play-off spot. Hot tip for the play-offs: Falkirk, Hibs, Queen of the South and Ross County.
What about Mike Ashley yesterday appointing Duff & Phelps as administrators to one of his companies? Just in case you think he’s not ballsy.
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ernie lynch
14:18 on 8 January, 2015
philvisreturns
14:13 on 8 January, 2015
The girl claimed to have had no recollection of events.
Maybe the auld jury were working on the balance of probabilities road in coming to a conclusion
Wether consent was given or not the whole thing I find bizarre is that his girlfriend is still prepared to stand by him after he admits to having sex in the most sordid of circumstances,but there again we all know that some people are inclined to forgive footballers no matter what they do
The Onlooker
Possibly but I think players feed off the reaction of the fans at the game rather than the tabloids.
Guidetti did score a great goal at Motherwell the following week which was wrongly ruled offside, I think he let that get to him more than it should have because it was after that nothing worked for him
HH
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon ….The angels are with Wee Oscar in Heaven.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
14:32 on
8 January, 2015
I don’t think he’s saying they’re taught to behave like that, but if the evidence he alludes to is correct, it seems they’re certainly not taught not to.
Philvis
You had the pleasure now you have to suffer the consequences.
Quality always welcomed on this blog.
HH
ttt
I agree its a disgrace. He shld have served the full 5 years!!! This slap on the wrist justice just stinks for the victim imo!!!
“how many convicted rapists will leave prison having served their sentences to be re-employed by their previous employers?”
Moonbeams,
Evans isn’t looking for employment with his previous employer.
He’s after employment in his previous profession.
Seville67
14:25 on
8 January, 2015
The Onlooker
14:30 on
8 January, 2015
Traditionalist88 & Seville67
I agree that the valuation of £2m is comparable to his form
The question is has he been told to dip his form so we can by him for £2m
Then when acquired his form improves
Maybe RD is a genius after all ??
67ECW
mickbhoy1888
14:40 on
8 January, 2015
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How many times is it uttered ” I don’t know why he/she puts up with that?”
Women in particular fall for ‘bad uns’ and suffer all sorts of abuse. Nowt as queer as folk
Newradbhoy,
I think that is a part of the problem.
Evans is no bad. Someone with less talent woulda skulked off by now imo.
What happened to the hearts dude who was grooming kids?
67 European Cup Winners
14:47 on
8 January, 2015
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A fee is not required, he is out of contract, we just need to give him a wage he’s going to sign up to.
Evans is a convicted rapist, fact and in my book that makes him a scumbag.
How many on here would work with a known rapist ???
I certainly wouldn’t and if my club even entertained the thought of employing one that would be me finished.
Bawsman
14:50 on
8 January, 2015
Ah back to square one – so RD isn’t a genius !!
67ECW
Tiger “Wood” Woods.
My friends in Celtic,
So Ched Evans has issued a wholehearted apology while still maintaining his innocence.
Would this have anything to do with the anticipated collapse of the Oldham deal. ?
While normally I agree that everyone is due a second chance I ask the following :-
Should a person on the sex offenders register be given this chance when a teacher would not ?
How will his victim be feeling as she moves home and changes her identity for the 5th time.?
How will her family feel, how would you feel if it was your daughter ?
Should his multi millionaire future father in law not give him a job ?
If you think our club has off field problems just watch Oldham implode.
HH.
Can anyone enlighten me as to purpose of the link posted at 13:00 and is it wholly appropriate to be posting same
Evans is unemployable ,for a lot of reasons.
ernie lynch – it’s amazing people still willingly talk to the police. (thumbsup)
the battered bunnet – Yes, but… she went to bed with a guy she knew, who was not a footballer.
Clayton McDonald is a footballer.
More widely, the incidence of sexual offences amongst footballers, when compared to the prevailing rate in wider society, is dumbfounding and alarming in equal measure.
Is it, when adjusted for age and sex? Footballers are mostly young men. A disproportionate percentage of sexual offences involve young men.
Are we to extend your point of view and conclude that the problem is not actually one of incidence of errant sexual behaviour on the part of young footballers, but is in fact bound up in the retrospective remorse of these numerous football-bagging harlots?
I think there are a number of factors at work.
Regret “rape”, where a young woman is later embarrassed by her booze-and-or-cocaine-fuelled activities and re-interprets them as “rape”, perhaps after being talked into doing so by friends or police, is definitely A Thing.
Another Thing is promiscuity and the sexual behaviour of young people. 20 years ago if you suggested a menage a trois or something similar to the average young woman you’d probably get a slap.
Nowadays it seems you’re less likely to be slapped, especially if you’re a desireable high-status young man, like a footballer.
Personally, I blame porn for this. When I was a lad, you’d be lucky to find a soggy copy of Razzle in the park. A whole generation has grown up since then with the internet piping every kind of weird porn directly into their homes.
Are we then surprised when things that would once have been considered sordid and shameful are enthusiastically embraced by people who’ve grown up seeing hardcore smut?
Mary Whitehouse was right.
Alex Ferguson used to encourage his players to get married and have kids as soon as possible to keep them away from drunken playboy shenanigans. (thumbsup)
Geordie Munro 1448-
The guy from Hearts,Craig Thomson, signed for a Cypriot club without telling them that he had been done for sexual offences. They found out within a week of signing him and tore the contract up.
He was last spotted working in Dalkeith as a window cleaner, one of tabloids tailed him as he went about his daily business about 18 months ago and ran a front page story.
hun skelper
14:52 on 8 January, 2015
Tonev ????
Tgbs,
Cheers.
I knew he signed for a foreign club and it didn’t last.
A windy cleaning perv??? I’d rather he was kicking a ball about!!
Turkeybhoy
Jimmynot paul
Southoftunis
A few years ago I was on the jury of a murder trial. I was quite exited at prospect when I was selected, but it was one of the worst experiences of my life, and it took me a long time to get over it. The attitude of some of the jury left a lotto be desired.
Lot to. not lotto.
My sister was also on a jury and had the same issues as others with fellow jurors.
If you ever have the misfortune to appear in the dock, you’ve always a chance with a jury.
Mate was on one, a sexual crime against a young boy, guilty….. cause he just looked like a deviant.!
We as a club have young James Forrest in our ranks….innocent of course until proven otherwise..
Ayrshire is Green and White
The Onlooker,
you have just explained to me one of the great mysteries of my own playing days.
I wondered why I was rubbish now I realize I was rubbish because I thought I was rubbish.
If you had told me that 25 years ago I would have thought I was good and maybe would not be sitting behind a desk.
Seville67
tbb,
When you consider is it 90% of rapes go unreported ?
Do you think the proportion of football players might be more to do with spotlight ?
Philvisreturns porn theory has a lot of merit, it’s a lot more than just footballers.
Westminster paedophile ring is another maybe more important sex scandal, people maybe should be concentrating on, but this is a less dangerous distraction while that criminal behaviour is protected at higher levels.
Sick Britain sad innit.
Mickbhoy, 1456,
Some piss stained loons have concocted yet another conspiracy theory.
If yesterday’s massacre wasn’t the work of Islamic nuts, I am Chewbacca.
Canamalar, (or anyone else who know I suppose)
How do we know how many crimes are unreported?
Genuine question.
the battered bunnet
14:02 on 8 January, 2015
Philvis
Justice is miscarried more often than we know, and it would be foolish to consider the verdict in any given disputed case to be beyond question.
That said, Evans’ case has been reviewed, and the panel confirmed that the jury was permitted to come to the verdict arrive at.
The case touches on an altogether more difficult topic, a dirty secret in football:
Our football clubs take in boys at 11 years old, and within 10 years have turned a hugely disproportionate number of them into sexual predators.
But we don’t talk about that, do we. They’re our heroes, and this is our sport.
The Ched Evans ‘rehabilitation’ debate is somewhat blinkered in this respect. What Evans did – what he admitted to doing – is actually common or garden leisure time for many. Rather than discuss the behaviour, we focus on the conviction, which simply promotes the view inside football: Don’t get caught.
Pretty sordid in my view.
Happy New Year btw
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TBB
Your post in deepest ring in its accuracy I fear.
But you offer one conclusion. ‘Don’t get caught’.
I wouldn’t contest that but would argue that other young men (footballers and those in the real world) may arrive at a different conclusion – act like that, get caught and there may well be consequences. Huge consequences. So if your moral code of decency doesn’t kick in then perhaps the fear of prosecution and long term financial implications will.
And that’s why IMHO it DOES matter what happens next. Footballers enjoy the most privileged of lifestyles in that particular environment. That’s not a given right just because you’ve been released on licence.
Many of us work in professions where a conviction of that sort would forever disbar us from our CHOSEN professions.
Upper case for emphasis. I’m not shouting as a) I’m calm and b) I’m on a train.
HH jamesgang
Yip, it’s a very complicated area, and matters such as reporting bias, socio-cultural changes and myriad other matters are at play.
No disrespect to piss stained loons.
Philvis
So should we censor some “offensive” material but not other “offensive” material?
Who decides?
Having read about CQN’rs experience of being on a jury I’m glad I,m exempt from Jury duty.
Worked in Angola during the 90’s and when I returned to Scotland I was sent a letter saying I was exempt for life from Jury duty and indeed have never been called up. Phew!
I feel a song coming on, stop me….
Back on the train, hey! Back on the Jamesgang
Geordie Munro
to answer your observation.
Do you believe that if you were convicted of rape and served your sentence that you be be re-employed with your employer and\or within your profession.
I know for a fact I would not.
Would you like Celtic to sign Chad Evans?
MWd said AYE
TBB
If, as you say, there is a ridiculously high incidence of sex offences committed by professional footballers, is it not at least possible that some women see the possibility of money when accusing a footballer of a sexual offence.
When I read the Evans case at the time, I was far from convinced that rape took place.
JJ
Developments in France presenently ongoing….if it’s the suspects from yesterday I hope that Mossad are on site
TBB
‘Your post in deepest ring in its accuracy I fear’ should read ‘depressing in its accuracy’.
Apols also for almost duping you into thinking that berget was a footballing messiah. It seems that on this occasion – and this is vanishingly rare – I was wrong.
I hope you didn’t get a TBB loves berget tattoo on the basis of my earlier recommendation.
And apols also for not eating humble pie in person @ CQN corner. Wasn’t till I was in the ground I remembered. And I’d had you down as an auld ghuy in my mind’s eye! Your relative youthfulness must have thrown me!
HH jamesgang
the battered bunnet
14:40 on 8 January, 2015
There’s a cultural issue throughout society which breeds sex offenders, and I would suggest footballers aren’t the worst offenders, but you are correct, it’s a major problem …… politicians have the wherewithal to address the problem, via blocking web sites etc…… But it’s all down to money, I’m afraid ….ridiculous ….
weeminger
14:43 on 8 January, 2015
I’m sure they’re not taught to act in that way, and wasn’t saying for one minute that TBB was stating that …….just seems to be getting worse generally, and that’s heart-breaking