I’ve plenty of sympathy for Niall McGinn for coming under pressure after being spotted at the Kilmarnock-Celtic game on Monday, but not in any way distressed. Players watch former clubs all the time, it’s not even remotely an issue, but Niall is experiencing the cost of playing in a team at the top of the league. Aberdeen fans would neither notice nor care where he was on Monday if they were in their usual mid-table spot.
A taste of internecine strife does more damage than any external party could ever hope to inflict. Glad to hear it’s taken route at our nearest rivals. On a similar note…….
A serious bid to bring newco Rangers to its knees got into full swing yesterday, as thousands of ‘fans’ signed up to spend not a penny more with the club, while mock-Rangers jerseys (should that be mock-mock-Rangers?), sold by fans’ groups, were profiled in the media.
If you know your history, 20 years ago a group of Celtic fans, some working on the frontline, some working behind the scenes, orchestrated the Celts for Change campaign, which ultimately brought regime change at Celtic.
Celts for Change had two fundamental factors in their favour: people with access to the money required to resolve the club’s problems were among them, while those running Celtic did not have access to significant funds, personal or otherwise.
The lessons of Celts for Change is that before you hurt the club you love: make sure you are capable of laying a glove on those you are trying to damage, and when you bring things to a head, ensure you have the money to put things right. In newco’s case this will be many tens of millions.
I backed Celts for Change and I wholeheartedly back those who are trying to bring down newco. Their plans and foresight are exceptional.
Care to guess which Scottish club has been most active in the transfer market this month? Falkirk, who have signed their fifth player. They have won six of their last seven games and are now within a win of getting into a play-off spot. Hot tip for the play-offs: Falkirk, Hibs, Queen of the South and Ross County.
What about Mike Ashley yesterday appointing Duff & Phelps as administrators to one of his companies? Just in case you think he’s not ballsy.
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The Battered Bunnet
14:31 on 8 January, 2015
”Philvis
Yes, but… she went to bed with a guy she knew, who was not a footballer.’
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She didn’t know him. She first approached in the street immediately before retiring to his hotel. He wasn’t a local. That’s why he was staying in a hotel.
And he was a professional footballer (Tranmere, I think) though he’s now unemployed, despite not being a rapist.
Guidetti. Yes or No? Purely on footballing ability, I am strongly in the Yes camp and will let Celtic decide on the finances.
I believe the following group, if they can remain relatively injury free, would be good enough to reach the CL Group stages:
Gordon
Lustig Denayer vanDjik Izaguirre
Forrest Brown Bitton Johansen Henderson
Guidetti.
Commons, Griffiths, Stokes, Scepovic, Ambrose,Mulgrew,Matthews.
JJ
Philbhoy
16:08
Any fitba’ news?
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Seems the Bhoys are training next to an open drain over in GC.
JJ
Yes for me please.
But only if the wages are reasonable. He’s shown flashes of greatness and not greatness thus far.
He’s not KoK yet, so no king’s ransom IMHO.
HH jamesgang
jamesgang
A great many of us show flashes of not greatness 0:-)
JJ
Philvis 15.54
“Relevant Authorities?” The same ones whose former executives covered up scandals like Hillsborough, Kincora, Jimmy Saville?
OG
Aye, how the mighty fall :)
HH
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MickTT
Both the docs were compulsive viewing, they are well worth the watch.
HH
ger57 – pretty sure Ofcom wasn’t to blame for those things. (thumbsup)
Find it quite funny that the word is that EPL teams are finding the asking price of £10 million for VVD way too dear.Oh really?.And what would be a relatively fair price in a league that pays £30 million for a full back with one years EPL experience.Not so long ago were paying £16-17 million for 17 year olds who might be prospects,and a whole list of average players from all around Europe,bought for much more.
I know the SPL is not a great league,but the arrogance of some of their teams is breathtaking at times.
JJ,
Jamesgangs’ answer verbatim for me neebs.
Good player. Some character. Entertaining.
HH
Syd Negakev
15:50 on
8 January, 2015
Speaking from experience having been on two juries, the personality of the individual jurors is always bound to sway any decision. Some more forceful individuals who for whatever reason have strong views ,will invariably have an undue influence on the outcome.
philvisreturns
15:56 on
8 January, 2015
coolmore mafia – 1 in 5 women in UK sexually assaulted or raped. So on this blog, say a 1000 people with partners – 200 partners will have been raped or assaulted by a pedophile or rapist at least once in their lifetimes.
Yes, that would be terrible if it was true. (thumbsup)
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Philvisreturns, here is a link from Gov.uk
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/an-overview-of-sexual-offending-in-england-and-wales
You were right, my previous info was wrong – it’s actually marginally worse than Rape Crisis say. 1 in 200 woman sexually assaulted in England last year. Perhaps you could post a link backing up your viewpoint that the problem isn’t as serious as I previously stated?
Young duffy that is on trial with celtic from derry city scored twice in under 21 victory over newcastle.
the exiled tim
16:23 on 8 January, 2015
OG
Aye, how the mighty fall :)
HH
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MickTT
Both the docs were compulsive viewing, they are well worth the watch.
HH
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I’ll look them up…
HH
THE EXILED TIM
15:49 on
8 January, 2015
Turkeybhoy
14:06 on
8 January, 2015
I don’t think he did it, having seen BBC and a C4 docs about it, they throw light elsewhere, he knew who did do it tho.
HH
TET,I have no idea if he is guilty or not,neither,I am quite sure were most of the jury.He was found guilty.What annoys me is the fact some people take this as gospel.He must be guilty,a jury said so.
I and a few others were only pointing out our experiences of the make up of a jury.
Trying to convince people of facts is not easy.Just look on here.Ha ha ha.
glendalystonsils
No doubt that happens. It’s why everyone should give 100% when called upon to perform that duty. Concentrate on proceedings and speak up even if they feel they are in the minority. A person’s life is in their hands after all.
12angrymen.
Watched CCTV of Steven Gerrard batter a guy in a pub. Found not guilty by a Liverpool jury who clearly didn’t believe their eyes (reverse example I know).
Just because someone comes to your hotel room does not mean they have agreed to have sex with you.
Just because someone has agreed to have sex with you doesn’t mean they have agreed to have sex with anyone else.
Just because a third party says you have consented to sex does not mean you have.
If you take part in sex with someone without agreement that is rape.
If you are prepared to take part in sex with someone without their consent then you have a problem.
If you have gone to jail for rape and are still prepared to take part in sex with someone without their consent then you still have a problem and you are not rehabilitated.
For the avoidance of doubt, if someone is incapable of or does not respond to enquiries then consent has not been given and can never be implied.
For the avoidance of doubt, if you engage in sex with another party who has not explicitly given their free consent then you are placing yourself at severe risk of commiting rape.
For the avoidance of doubt, where sexual activity has stared and the other party changes their mind that is a clear NO consent and to proceed violates that NO.
HH
JJ
The full judgement from the Appeal can be read here: https://www.crimeline.info/uploads/cases/2012ewcacrim2559.pdf
It makes for uncomfortable reading in places, but is worthwhile nevertheless in better understanding the issues at the heart of the case.
The judgement in the original trial, which was upheld by the appeal court, was that the complainant had consented to sex with McDonald, but was incapable of consenting later with Evans. There was no comment on the role, purpose or evidence of the other two pals who were watching on through the window.
But Geordie, you’ve not even seen me play!
TurkeyBhoy
With you 100%. Show us £15m and we’ll talk. If this feeder food chain is our strategy at least let’s be good at it!
JJ
Story of my own life, set out in inelegant prose!
HH jamesgang
Geordie
jamesgang only approved of him because they share initials o:-)
Cheerio from me,
JJ
proudbhoy
16:31 on 8 January, 2015
Young duffy that is on trial with celtic from derry city scored twice in under 21 victory over newcastle.
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That’s right proudbhoy.A very young Celtic team beat them 3-1.
I heard the other goal was scored by another trialist but I’m not sure about that.
Coolmore mafia – Perhaps you could post a link backing up your viewpoint that the problem isn’t as serious as I previously stated?
No need.
Your link disproves the notion that “1 in 5 women in UK sexually assaulted or raped”
Around one in twenty females (aged 16 to 59) reported being a victim of a most serious sexual offence since the age of 16.
So serious sexual sexual assault affects about 1 in 20 women during their lifetimes.
Granted, that’s 1 in 20 too many, but it’s much lower than 1 in 5.
Extending this to include other sexual offences such as sexual threats, unwanted touching or indecent exposure, this increased to one in five females reporting being a victim since the age of 16.
So the only way we can inflate this to get 1 in 5 is to pretend that verbally abusive men, bum-pinchers, and park flashers are equivalent to rapists and paedos.
Ho hum.
(thumbsup)
TRC
Never heard either.
Patrick mceleney off to brentford for weeks trial. Be interesting to see how he gets on. Was a great talent few years back.
keith jackson @tedermeatballs
Ched Evans move to Oldham is off despite being supported by sponsors Sports Direct. Wonder where he’ll pitch up next?
Jamesgang,
Lol. Yer mad so you are :))
I haven’t seen you play….but I’ve heard the stories…playah ;)
TBB
Thanks for that. I did read something similar at the time but I will have a proper look at your link later.
JJ
Philvis
Extending this to include other sexual offences such as sexual threats, unwanted touching or indecent exposure, this increased to one in five females reporting being a victim since the age of 16.
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My mistake. Apologies
Anyone else think Martin Ødegaard is just visiting Madrid on his way to Gran Canaria? It’s only a 2 and a half hour flight….
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HH
coolmore mafia
Let’s face it, they signed Diouf so they would sign anybody.
Oldham FC should be criticised here for putting their finances before morals.
They seen an opportunity to get a £3m player on their books for free and at a knockdown wage.
Who needsPerry Mason just come on here,ffs
Thanks Ernie, I hadn’t read the judgement for a few months. Just goes to show how unreliable memory is.
I posted it above if you’re interested – it’s actually the appeal transcript, but it replays the salient evidence and explains the reasoning.
A difficult case.
googybhoy-wouldn’t surprise me if the PFA were involved in paying some of his wages,and maybe a cut of a transfer fee.
coolmore mafia – you are a gracious and gentlemanly Celt.
And I don’t blame you for assuming the higher figure was true. There’s a lot of hysteria about this subject at the moment and lots of dodgy figures being bandied about. (thumbsup)
Glorie O to the bold fenian men being sung on 4 movies right now- call Focus quick
FAB Virgil
Do you work at Crown Office? That’s pretty much verbatim the advice a friend of mine has given her two teenage sons. Professional advice, in addition to maternal.
“When did we [FFin’] lose it as a support?
This last decade has seen us emerge as disorganised, weak and desperate only to have someone rich take care of us…this has been shown not just re the boardroom stuff but the anti-sectarian sh*tstorm we faced…. Do we actually – genuinely – have more hand wringers who AGREE with the anti-sectarian stuff? And re the anti-sectarian p*sh the club accepted every fine without appeal, comment or even asking for a summit to get it all on the table. We were hung, drawn and quartered by Celtic fans who got to make the rules, definitions and set the punishment.”
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“10th July 1989.
We signed the 80’s equivalent of [NL] and the support raised scarcely a murmur.”
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“The club sold its soul that very day and in my opinion has never ever recovered. At present we have a manager who spent 10 years with the taigs and a striker who [was very pleased] scoring against us for them. These facts barely raise an eyebrow now infact if you mention it then it is yourself who is in the wrong. New, liberal, free thinking , hand wringing support, nahh no thanks.”
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“100%
I said at the time and continue to do so; if you accept him you will accept anything!”
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“set them back ten years it set us back 100 years .
there are no real standards anymore”
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“I’m not sure there was ever this mythical era when the support would have behaved any differently.
In 1976, Ian Archer was able to write in The Herald that Ranges ‘are a permanent disgrace and occasional embarrassment…it would be better for Scottish football if Rangers did not exist’ and nothing happened to him.”
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“to be totally honest, our policy of not signing catholics made us a sitting duck for the likes of Archer.
It was a disgrace and an embarassment.”
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“…..But took us to 3 European Finals….. How embarrassing!”
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“At least we were good then.”
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“Disgrace and embarrassment are words that could never be associated with the glorious history of Rangers.”
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“Although to be fair most fans were opposed to signing them. That lot.
It was often confused with anti-clerical, anti-Catholicism,……I’d bring that sort of ‘policy’ back tomorrow.”
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“And the irony is that these Roman Catholics who were so desperate to see an end to this ‘discrimination’ still refuse to end their own discriminatory practices that cause sectarianism today in Scotland.
They don’t even see the irony in sending their children to RC schools while complaining that these same children couldn’t play for Rangers.”
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“I will get slaughtered for this, but Souness has to take a fair share of the blame in my opinion. He brought a certain individual to the club who had previously thought it was great to wind up Rangers fans with his bead rattling. Before that he took Murray by the hand and led him to our door. A man who agreed with the sectarian brush we were tarred with and who refused to fight for us ever.”
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“Rangers and by association the Orange Order and now Unionism have been subjected to an all-out black propaganda campaign by powerful tribal interests within the law, media and politics in Scotland.
This demonization, marginalisation and on occasion criminalisation has not been a co-incidence.”
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“The Internet has done more damage to Rangers and the support than anything else in my opinion and it only gets worse.”
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“We are no match for those that hate us and their use of social media as a tool to demonise our Club and us.
They (enemies of Rangers) have been gaining control from around 2008 when we took the biggest single movement of humanity since the war on a march to Manchester. They have got better, stronger, more organised, with compliant blhogs, on line zines and pressure groups. We have fractured and split under the sheer weight of relentless burdens and blows and pillaging from within our own boardroom.” [“humanity” you say, Sammy?]
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“I would say the internet hss helped them, with the propaganda and using their victim cards to get their own way, mean while our club and poltians took the dignified route”
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“We’ve been robbed, rapped and had our cultural ways taken from us
The real crime is our acceptance of it all”
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“Murray controlled the Scottish media?
You and I obviously exist in different universes.”
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“I have heard opinion from elders it started when Stein won the EC in 1967 and put Celtic strips in the playgrounds of non-denominational schools.”
My friends in Celtic,
Interesting discussion as always but very “white collar”, seems to me that there is far too much emphasis on the perpetrators rights / technicalities rather than the victims rights.
There is only one on-going victim and its not Ched Evans.
HH and off oot.