The count of how many times I’ve heard “I hope we don’t take the foot off the pedal like we did last year” has reached double figures. This is never a good sign. Football games, against any level of opponent, need to planned for and respected.
During last season’s League Cup semi-final, Celtic went two goals up early on, then made 100% sure the result would never be in danger by denying Newco even an attempt at goal (the match stats recorded one attempt, which was actually a wayward cross from a free kick). Compare and contrast with Borussia Dortmund’s two goal advantages last night. While I’d love to score a barrel-load, winning the game is all that really matters.
We have seen enough Celtic teams dominate possession in Europe against less-resourced teams only to lose to the sucker punch. This has been a harsh lesson, which I hope has been learned.
I doubt many of us know what to expect from Newco. They won the Championship but this season didn’t have to contend with vastly superior Hearts team. They are also in the semi-final because they thumped Premiership Dundee 4-0 at Ibrox, which is a huge result for any lower league team (we’ve failed to score twice against Dundee recently).
All my “Rangers” supporting pals tell me they are hopeless at defending, so there’s a decent possibility they will defend deeply and play on the break – just as several others have done effectively against us this season. We’re going to have a lot of possession in the final third, but Scott Brown and Nir Bitton will need to offer a lot of defensive cover.
Most of all, we’ll need discipline. There’s a red card winging its way to the first Celtic player to stare at an opponent in a rash manner. The First Minister will probably get involved too, so be prepared.
Did you read Walter “dare I say it, 10 in a row” Smith? What a man to have in your corner days before a big game. He’ll have them thinking it’s 1957 all over again!
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Mik Lustig and the Fabulous KT to nullify sevco’s galctico full-backs.
Leigh Griff and Kris Commons up front.
Brown, Biton, Rogic in midfield.
Press them, play with tempo….keep the ball moving
They wont know what’s hit them.
Cmon
HH
I’ve just been shown (again) how to work BT Sports and the Liverpool game is just starting so I am away to watch it.
Hail hail.
Third party rule is in reference to player ownership.
Henry and other players at Arsenal started the Ltd company idea when they came to the premiership I believe it then was adopted by others in the UK league.
There was a news article about it a few years back.
WYCOMBEBHOY –
Here’s some examples where the player has 2 x contracts with the club – one for his Salary and another for the rest (read majority) of his income…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347677/Top-footballers-like-Wayne-Rooney-dodge-millions-tax-cashing-loophole.html
Wycombebohy,
Would that apply to a sole trader ?
“the old Rangers”
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Well said Tommy.
Legend!
I wonder what the future hold for today`s twenty year olds? As we watched Tommy G blast in the equaliser in Lisbon, we would never have dreamed that nearly fifty years later we would be having a virtual chat with him as we sat in our own homes/work places.
On this occasion, modern technology is not rubbish 0:-)
JJ
WYCOMBEBHOY
No problem!
I got the tax rate wrong too!
I should stick to what I’m good at.
THE_HUDDLE on 15TH APRIL 2016 3:06 PM
Third party rule is in reference to player ownership.
Henry and other players at Arsenal started the Ltd company idea when they came to the premiership I believe it then was adopted by others in the UK league.
There was a news article about it a few years back.
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Mibbe the one I posted!
Tommy Gemmell
We have lost a few semi-finals in recent years, for various reasons mind you, but in your day, apart from losing early doors to Dunfermline in the Scottish Cup in January 1968 I think we reached every domestic final from 1965-1975, and you played in many of them. Not just nine in a row, but a great great cup team, not least in 1969. Hopefully we will add to that Sunday.
Hail Hail!
Summa
I was offered a ticket from celtic… no thanks . Was then offered a full hospitality package including drinks and food.. free of charge to me .. no thanks
I will not share a stadium with the scum that Follow sevco .
Imho we shouldn’t even step onto the field with them so we lose if we play them … and I fear the mibs will influence the match top. Obviously I want celtic to win every game but a win in this match would be a very hollow victory to me and a loss will be trumpeted by the smsm and sky too
BALLABHOY on 15TH APRIL 2016 2:46 PM
Any advice on the best route to take from Victoria Road to Hampden?
Is Queen’s Drive/Prospecthill Road safe enough or am I better to give their end a wider berth?
Hail Hail
ballabhoy
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ballabhoy,
I wouldn’t go anywhere near Queen’s Drive/Prospecthill Road on Sunday.
As Saltires said, from Victoria Road head along Allison Street or Calder Street to Aitkinhead Road and take that one to Hampden.
Stay safe
cv
SALTIRES EN SEVILLA on 15TH APRIL 2016 2:51 PM
Thanks for the advice!
HH
ballabhoy
CATHEDRAL VIEW on 15TH APRIL 2016 3:18 PM
Cheers mate, I intend to!
HH
ballabhoy
‘Walter’ probably couldn’t contain himself after taking delivery of his APN from HMRC – and therefore launched into his VERY personal ‘bitter, diabtribe – however is his ‘bitterness’ any more, or, any less bitter, than the vitriol aimed by some on the site, at our CEO and Board?
My God some even adapt their moniker to include an anti-board epithet – emphasising that no matter what transpires blaming the board is always the answer, except of course when we are successful.
What drives these malcontents – jealousy of success, or political dogma, most probably a mixture of both?
What ever it is, it is the exact opposite of the ethos of our club, where everyone who wants to play and/or contribute to Celtic is welcome, regardless of colour, creed or political affiliations.
Natknow,
Yes any high earner footballer will have an accountant and advisors but I never heard of a British based player having, lets say the majority of their deal paid to a Ltd company, image rights are a different thing all together..generally a deal is put together only for players like Naka coming from abroad to ‘buy out’ image rights.. not to carry on paying them. You may be saying they have at least two deals with a club..a normal salary and a deal with their Ltd company and that’s fine if you know of that arrangement, but I don’t think that is the case, I say that because I know of no players that I know, that used those methods either in EPL or in Scotland. I’m not an adviser any more and only know of general arrangements as a friend… so that’s my defence if you know of players with arrangements like that recently :-)
HH
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water, standing in the pi8hing rain at tannadice is back.
“PL a man who has ruined our club”.
Some ruination, he was brought back after MON almost spent us into bankruptcy, we have survived the financial crash, both situations which ruined deidco, he has got the club on sound financial footing while we have won 8 Titles and on our way to 9, 5 Scottish Cups, including 3 Doubles and 3 League Cups 2 Doubles there as well while being cheated out of at least 3 other titles and a couple of cups.
And after years of being ruled by a hun infested and bader stacked SFA and SPL he is playing a role in both as well as in the reformed UEFA.
Much to the consternation of the goat shaggers we are now ruling the Scottish game and will soon be a force in a cleaned up Europe again.
Just finished a hard week at work, log onto CQN and read an inspirational post from a Lisbon Lion Legend. Thanks and God bless you Tommy Gemmell.
Hail Hail
Clubs don’t pay players at all.
It’s the holding company! :-)
WYCOMBEBHOY on 15TH APRIL 2016 3:27 PM
Natknow,
Yes any high earner footballer will have an accountant and advisors but I never heard of a British based player having, lets say the majority of their deal paid to a Ltd company, image rights are a different thing all together..generally a deal is put together only for players like Naka coming from abroad to ‘buy out’ image rights.. not to carry on paying them. You may be saying they have at least two deals with a club..a normal salary and a deal with their Ltd company and that’s fine if you know of that arrangement, but I don’t think that is the case, I say that because I know of no players that I know, that used those methods either in EPL or in Scotland. I’m not an adviser any more and only know of general arrangements as a friend… so that’s my defence if you know of players with arrangements like that recently :-)
HH
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Well, the original was a reply to TET to explain how high earners are not always paid in the usual manner. His original question was along the lines of “if someone has already paid tax at source then how can HMRC come after them just for making a post-tax investment?”. So my original answer wasn’t mean to describe (in general) how footballers are normally paid – just to highlight that not everyone pays PAYE on all their income. In particular, high rollers can have unusual arrangements Another example would be executives who receive shares as part of their package.
However, the news article I’ve posted above gives specific examples of the kinds of arrangements that appear to be commonplace. We’re not talking about the guys playing for Peterhead here are we?
The Resolute Mr. Pastry
No one is likely to lose their life over the bitterness directed by posters on this blog towards the Board.
Natknow
Just missed your article or I might have changed my post a little..ha..
But the article mentions their salary is paid as normal as pays the going rate of tax, the other it says is for either image rights or shirt sales or other merchandising..which is not their salary of course…it also mentions HMRC say this is not correct and is demanding the tax due is paid to them and promise”s court action :-)
It also says a large proportion of their earning from ‘image rights ‘ not the majority of their earnings which is different from their salary from the club. As you know a player like Rooney has huge earnings from deals outside their club which goes to their Ltd company.. sponsorship deals etc. They can of course try to pull the wool over HMRC’s eyes but the article mentions they will be caught if so.
Mr Pastry
The Sigmund Freud of CQN.
You are having a rhetorical debate with yourself.
I will leave you to it.
As for Political Dogma…you would know about that.
Me…I soar above the petty trivialities of party political stupidity.
Have a Nice Day:)
Natknow,
You never know those Peterhead boys by might be getting advice from MIH ;-)
I actually missed the context of you post buddy, I thought you were talking as in general that was how players deals where set up, so was giving my view .
Mr Pastry
The cultured voice of reason.
You remind me of Ramsey McDonald:)
Im sure you wont need to Google it.
Pastry
I take that back.
Try….John Prescott:)
WYCOMBEBHOY on 15TH APRIL 2016 3:40 PM
Natknow
Just missed your article or I might have changed my post a little..ha..
But the article mentions their salary is paid as normal as pays the going rate of tax, the other it says is for either image rights or shirt sales or other merchandising..which is not their salary of course…it also mentions HMRC say this is not correct and is demanding the tax due is paid to them and promise”s court action :-)
It also says a large proportion of their earning from ‘image rights ‘ not the majority of their earnings which is different from their salary from the club. As you know a player like Rooney has huge earnings from deals outside their club which goes to their Ltd company.. sponsorship deals etc. They can of course try to pull the wool over HMRC’s eyes but the article mentions they will be caught if so.
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Yep – you’re right to draw a distinction between Salary and Income. I just posted the article to provide example of players who’s arrangements are unusual – apparently 55 according to the Sunday Times back in 2011. I wonder how many now, given that EPL wages have risen dramatically. Also – the amount of personal tax and NI paid would all depend on the split between the two contracts?
Another point is that the article conflates a number of different things. It talks about Corporation Tax for example. That is a separate issue from personal tax. Corp. Tax would be payable on profits after expenses have been deducted from sales/turnover. That would be 20% before anything has been disbursed. If Dividends are paid then there is a further 20%.
Also – they talk about preferential loan rates as if that’s some kind of dodge, but any preferential loan would need to be declared as a benefit-in-kind and tax paid accordingly. And it would have to be paid back to the company within a certain period (9 months?) or become taxable.
Tgm,
You never seem to get it all out in the one post eh? :))
HH
WYCOMBEBHOY on 15TH APRIL 2016 3:46 PM
Natknow,
You never know those Peterhead boys by might be getting advice from MIH ;-)
I actually missed the context of you post buddy, I thought you were talking as in general that was how players deals where set up, so was giving my view .
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When the old Accelerated Payment Notices come flying through the letterbox I’m sure the Peterhead players will be glad they were never involved!
No worries re: context – good chat. I’m guessing you’ll know a lot more about how footballers would usually get paid than me…
Geordie Munro
Mr Pastry likes the odd joust.
I like to wind him up….and vice versa.
However….The next re-make of the Ten Commandments, he is a shoe-in for the role of Moses:)
HH
Tommy gemmell celtic greatest left back God bless you.HH.
Celtic are 300/1 to win 7/1 on Sunday surely worth a punt :):):):) HH.
As a 7 year old in 1967 i got my first Celtic strip and boots, and on my shorts i had the number 3
I was always Tommy Gemmell in every game we played, and every shot was followed by the cry
“Gemmell”
Great to be posting on the same page as such an esteemed Celt.
All the best for the future Tommy,and thanks for the priceless memories!
THE Tommy Gemmell?
Wow. Honored, sir!
Tgm,
:))
What are ye like!!??
HH
I have a dream.
Somehow or other I come by enough money to buy out the present owners of Celtic.
Immediately I decree that unless absolutely necessary, Celtic never play in anything other than green and white hoops.
I then place a blanket ban on any Celtic employee going anywhere near a camera, microphone or reporter’s notebook.
Only a dream.
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Sir Tommy Gemmell….
Three Questions :
Hebriddean Black Puddin’…
Versus.
Co-op Skwerrrr Sausage.
Who Is The CHAMPION..??
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Who Had The BEST SHOT….
YOU….Or WEE JINKY….
When You Were O’er The Viewpark Bings….
Huntin’ Wee Rabbits Wi’ B.B. Rifles..?
[ Allegedly ? ]
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Wee Garrincha,The Famous Brazilian Winger…
Once Bagged 30 Rabbits In A Single Afternoon…
Did Either Yourself Or Wee Jinky….
Ever MATCH This Tally..?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrincha?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C7857843650
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Mind-How-You-Go…! ;-✗
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Geordie Munro
In the words of the great Hedley Lamarr..’ my mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives’
Or in other words….Ive got writer’s block:)
Im sure Mr Pastry will be along shortly to tell me how daft i am:)
HH