How much success is inbuilt talent, how much is application and how much is development at key times?
The latter is crucial. International youth teams are filled with teens who make no impact on the game, as the inbuilt that earned them a youth cap withers, while others grow through their early adult years.
It’s not about the 18-years-olds you have, it’s what you do with the 18-year-olds you have.
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Happy Friday all.
This time next week I’ll be in DC!
My comment almost as long as the article!
I see GB News covering the wonderful festivities of the 12th.
I thought I could not think any less of that channel as well….
SAINT STIVS on 12TH JULY 2024 12:00 PM
SC overnight was discussing season book costs over the years, is someone could pass this on it might be helpful
https://www.thecelticwiki.com/miscellaneous/season-tickets-history/
Approximate costs over the years
83/34 £45 (“front stand”)
88-89 which was for ‘Ground’ and cost £60. Stapled cardboard sleeve with numbered pull-out vouchers for League, Cup and European games
94-95 = £160 (Sector C Hampden) £99 (kid ticket)
95-96 = £199 (143) £309 (408)
96-97 = £199(143)
97-98 = £229(143)
98-99 = £229(143)
99-00 = £249(143)
00-01 = £249(143)
PB,
SORRY NOW SEEN YOU DID IT, TA.
Agreed…
When many on here were growing up, grest footballers were demi-gods with huge natural ability.
George Best was a phenomenon
Yet Jimmy Johnstone had more longevity and trophies at the end of his career.
Jinky was “sorted out” by the very best.
Today’s footballer is a different breed
Attitude, Athleticism, Physicality, Stamina, Technique are hugely important, you can
have the great natural talent of a Paddy McCourt but the attributes the Tony Ralston has makes for a far better career as a footballer these day.
Footballer’s are crafted, if they lack the physicality you can get with the programme and go from Neymar lite, to Neymar legend
Andy Robertson, Aaron Hickey too light weight to be Celtic fullbacks having great careers as footballers.
Teaching a kid a craft isn’t a new thing in many professions, in carpentry, engineering, in horticulture, the craft was learned.
Today it is with footballers.
A great head coach, with a great team can make mediocre boys with the right potential talented players and make talented boys into great players.
Celtic have such a coach and organisational changes and personnel changes suggest a great desire to make this work
How much for a 21st century quality street gang!?
Hail Hail
Paul67
Could have did a Kenny Dalglish and got developed with Cumbernauld juniors, but pound signs now win.
💤💤💤💤💤💤 CSC
St Stivs from last night.
You say BR wasn’t principled when he left for Leicester, but you forgot to mention he was TOLD to sell his best player and thought, feck this, if they won’t give me the tools, then I’m off.
So yes, he is a man of principle, good to see
KINGLuBO
CHAIRBHOY on 12TH JULY 2024 12:18 PM
Good point about Tony Ralston, although his real development came under a past manager and his coaching team and he seems to have gone backwards in the last year.
I think if its to work Brendan has some work to do as well.
That means not just the stick but some carrot as well. No more ending the season with no development players in the starting line up for key games
Tam
London N1
On train, heading to old Glasgow Town from Euston.
brendan walked out on our job, 11 games to go.
he did not leave because of pricipals regardsing players, if he was to do that he would have in july or january previous.
he went when leicester gave him an ultimatum. join now or we move on.
he left.
there is nothing to be re-written on thins, these are the facts.
KINGLUBO @ 12:34 PM,
Good point…
Also worth pointing out his face didn’t fit in the Boardroom
The Celtic Board spent weeks if not months working out the severance of the coaching staff with Leicester City.
BR&Co went, The Celtic Board didn’t replace them and trousered the 9 mn
BR said he had unfinished business at Celtic
His cynics said borrox
BR came back to finish what he started
Hail Hail
Hail Hail
CELTIC40ME @ 12:35 PM,
Well that tends to be the way of things, BR gave Tony his first opportunities, playing nack up to a real quality professional in Lustig must have really helped.
Not sure why Lenny is so anti Celtic bhoys but opportunities disappear for them when Lenny is manager.
James Forrest the only one he seemed to have anytime for, yet even then fleeting…
Ange was a pragmatic man but if you were in his plans then you could have every hope of progressing – his full on approach meant 16 players got a fair cracking of the whip every game and this helped Tony, his style also helped Greg who improved.
BR MK2 has youths, loanees out, bought in projects and Celtic B team to develop….
If we can get the player pathway right, we can really excel…
Hail Hail
so its not just the tricolour and effigies of the pope the c*nts burn now.
these hate filled c*nts should be afforded no appeasement whatsoever.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn381p87vylo
Chairbhoy
not sure case with Hickey. He was in Hearts first team at 16 and sure story was
or at least as relayed to me.
Hickey was at Celtic and a fan BUT he was from Edinburgh and the
3 nights a week travelling was the issue for his parents and him.
Agreement made he can go back and work with Hearts but we still had some kind of claim to him.
Think that was why he went to Italy on a loan to buy(as long as Celtic dont get 33% of fee)
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Andy Robertson, Aaron Hickey too light weight to be Celtic fullbacks having great careers as footballers.
Looks like some French football teams are in trouble after their TV deal fell through.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/12/french-football-clubs-fearing-bankruptcy-tv-deal-ligue-1?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
CHAIRBHOY on 12TH JULY 2024 12:53 PM
I’m not sure Brendan can take any credit for Tony’s development, he played him 5 times in 3 seasons and sent him out on loan twice.
He was like a different player under Ange who played him 47 times in his first season. The “far better career” he’s enjoying now came from that season when Ange gave him and a number of young players a decent run of games. It was undoubtedly partly down to necessity but there was a fearlessness about team selection that Brendan could learn from if we really are to move forwards as a club.
So it looks we won’t find Brendan on mother Kelly’s doorstep down paradise row any time soon?
JC2 @ 1:02 PM,
Thanks for the clarification, it wasn’t as if the support were clamouring to have him back when we got a small window. Still goid player.
CELTIC40ME @ 1:16 PM,
Well that’s fair enough, he really took his chance with Ange.
Though I’m sure BR can take some credit, he gave him his first opportunity and gave him an improved contract.
Guess it shows with the right attitude and support players can achieve.
Hopefully more get the chance now we have a clear pathway
Hail Hail
CHAIRBHOY on 12TH JULY 2024 1:26 PM
“Hopefully more get the chance now we have a clear pathway”
We had a clear pathway, it stalled last season. Brendan needs to be braver in the coming season with younger players or the pathway will dry up
That chatter around season books, hampden costs, our rebuild, Fergus vision, etc etc.
Just going back to celticwiki and a few other things.
Our move to hampden i see the rental as being quoted as £500k for the season, but a couple of major things are missed out there.
Hampden itself was going through the upgrades to meet the taylor report. The north stand had been demolished, the north enclosure and the celtic end had been seated, and roofed, but the huns end and both coreners of the main stand were unavaible, to such at extend capacity was reduced to 34,000 I think.
So we are renting a full stadium with severely limited capacity.
Now Fergus had a dream of creating season ticket demand, and used this as a repeated call to arms, to see the celtic next year (and even those all important old-firm games) better to buy a season book and gaurantee a seatm a seat my goodness a foreign concept to most of the celtic support, other than attending the free broomloan, and taking over ibrox at semi finals and finals.
Anyways Fergus had a plan in his drawer, employed an agency and made it work, 17,000 season book holders, but we had a promise made of a seat when we go back to celtic park.
Allthough I have two fond memories of Hampden that year, often seeing Billy coming out the north stand and fast walking to the car, and a dundee united fixture in which i got to take Jim Monney into the directors box.
The team on the park meanwhile, our “home” record that season was horrendous, in the league in all games we drew 18 games in a 36 game season.
we could only beat the huns, but they won 7 in a row anyways.
ps, 93 season we drew feckin 22 times in 44 league games.
Only when PVH arrived did we start to score.
I hope “the rangers” are similarly succesful as their temporary lhome, hoever long that may be (is permanently to much to hope for”.
I came across this in my bookmarks, funny read but the outcomes are success, it reads like a 90s script for Taggart.
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MY PART IN CELTIC’S HAMPDEN YEAR
One of Fergus McCann’s first objectives after buying Celtic was to double the number of season ticket holders. Which was what prompted a surprise call to a small marketing agency in Edinburgh.
By Heather McKinlay
https://www.nutmegmagazine.co.uk/issue-4/my-part-in-celtics-hampden-year/
Either BRs choices put to the CEO,don’t want to come,want too much money,or are hedging their bets.
Would it be impossible for the fans to be told who we are in for,or officially interested.Why the delay with Bernardo.Endless dragging out.They,and BR must know the fans are not happy.Words like” We will be trying to get a couple in this week” ain’t cutting it.Bernardo and keeper should already be in,for different reasons.6 months to pick a keeper?Idah,we know about,FROM NORWICH.The rest nothing.
If BR is in total charge,he is making a pigs ear of communicating with the fans,or does he need permission?.
Our move to hampden i see the rental as being quoted as £500k for the season, but a couple of major things are missed out there.
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now a ps.
I was told by very much a person in the know, that hampden came with several clauses, Celtic could not employ or make profit form the kiosks, that was done by the SFA.
Stewarding, match day provisions, car parking, bus parking, and media were provided by the sfa.
Queens park got a cut from something about not utilising the full seating available, if you like an under occupancy charge.
The SFA were in debt and trying to finance the rebuild via the debenture scheme, but at the sametime was the fine for Tommy coming (are we still the only club fined for “poaching” a manager?), and other things.
Fergus had to deal with them but hated every moment of being there.
missed the important part – Allegedly Celtic spent £2m to be at hampden all in.
The time we spent playing at Hampden was sheer misery.The found does nothing to help with any kind of atmosphere.God help you if you at playing poorly,as we were.
Dreadful experience.
TURKEYBHOY on 12TH JULY 2024 1:41 PM
We pulled Benfica’s pants down with Jota. We paid £6m for a player who went for £25m 12 months later. They will be desperate for it not to happen so soon after.
And Jota’s agent was particularly diifficult when we were finalising the deal for him, him and Bernardo have the same agent, they are in no rush to agree terms with us, why would they be?
Ground.
I diagree that the modernised hampden has no atmosphere.
Cup finals there without the huns, 40,000 celtic supporters singing grace, there has been great great experiences there.
i would still like it rebuilt though.
tom rogin and the lighning bolts – what an experience that was.
Celtic 40 me,
We pulled nobodies pants down.Jota was an unknown reserve.There was no rush to buy him from anyone else.They were happy to take the £ 6 million.We made Jota the star that Saudis wanted,and they recieved another30% of the £ 25 million.So for a player they had no wish to keep,and no buyers,£ 14 million is great money.Bernardo,same boat.Get to Celtic,make a name,get big transfer,everyone happy,or sit in Benfica reserves.
SS,
Cup finals,not the same as Huns v Ross County in a league game,.You remember our season there.Dreadful.A couple of times the 10 of us left at HT.
Aye I remember it.
They will be getting no financial favours from the SFA.They desperately need the money,and they will be cheaper than Murrayfield.SFA in like a shot when the chance arose,as they should have been.
Very few of the scum want the SFA to get any of their cash.
SS,
My worst time following Celtic.Every game was a dread.The trek,the stadium,the team,the atmosphere.
The first game i took my son to was v Falkirk at Hampden at the end of 1994. 23,000 crowd – no atmosphere at all. We scraped a 2-0 win but it was terrible.
I wouldn’t have blamed him if he never went back – but he did!
The last few weeks on CQN have have been a mix of recruitment ” i’m patience and confident they wont do it again” and “pessimism and would trust them an inch”
Would say the split starting at around 80/20 but steadily its moving to i reckon 50/50 and will likely reach 20/80 shortly unless there is a significant uplift in activity and confirmations of deals being done.
Personally i’m in the latter category and base a view on the reality of whats in front me and have seen not one shred of evidence to make me feel any other way.
Clearly I hope i am wrong but failure to sort a keeper with 5 months notice is just negligent and reeks of same old same old.
Celtic lack ambition and dynamism and are sloth like in our recruitment. We can’t keep players (young or otherwise) and we can’t sign them either because we just seem unwilling to push the boat out and pay the “going rate” always looking to squeeze until it squeaks or they just say feck off.