How much success is inbuilt talent, how much is application and how much is development at key times?
The latter is crucial. International youth teams are filled with teens who make no impact on the game, as the inbuilt that earned them a youth cap withers, while others grow through their early adult years.
It’s not about the 18-years-olds you have, it’s what you do with the 18-year-olds you have.
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turkeybhoy
I think transfers are best done out of the public view. There is the chance that other clubs will gazump you as well as a lot of the terms in the contract are confidential. I can think of no clubs who do their business in public
In addition, Celtic have a hostile media to deal with. We lowball or squeeze players whilst Rangers swoop and their signings. Scottish Journalists have been known to take English Managers to Celtic players homes in order to tap them up. I heard that the experienced Dr Joseph Venglos was astonished that the Local media were hostile to Celtic as it is unknown anywhere in Europe. They are no friends of our club.
They would spin any information they get against the club the players and disrupt our Signings if possible
‘ have a hostile media to deal with. ‘
Not to mention a hostile support
My memories of hampdump 94-95 (excluding cup final)
Partick game i think when Pierre made debut and scored a cracker
Beating zombies 3-0 Vata scored
Coming in late using Scotland Rugby matches as an excuse to have extra pint or 2
in the Beechwood before game.
NOT a good time
JUST read Pierre debut against Hearts and scored
PS did we not have a record number of drawn games that season ? or like 11 in a row ?
Alcaraz needs to up his game for the Spanish double come Sunday.
Chairbhoy @ 8.38 am
“When Brendan makes all the right noises, as he did on his return, on the basis no doubt of promises given, he’s a hypocrite if desenting he’s not a team player…”
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It was a bit more than just refusing to throw anyone under the bus and preferring to tell a white lie. He actually explained the mechanism of transfers and explicitly said it was a shared enterprise in which he took an approval role>
“”It’s pretty simple in terms of how it works.Ultimately, I will develop and coach the players that the club provide me, and the process of the club providing me with the players is we have a great network of scouts headed up by Mark (Lawwell), who I’ve said before has done a fantastic job within the model of the club, which allows the club to be sustainable and successful at the same time. So, they have a pipeline of players that will fit in, but then it’s about packaging the profile that fits us best and of course, I play a part in that. But they do a lot of great work; they watch players over several months so that they have various players for each position.”
& “”No player has been pushed onto me. We have a structure and set up and we are planning for the longer term in our signing strategy. I make the final decision on whether we sign a player.”
Now, it’s no use implying he’s a liar and basing that on the fact that Mark Lawwell walked a few months later, without any adverse comment from Brendan. He has actually outlined the process he accepted in the quotes above but many fans remain committed to the Soap Opera narrative that it’s a constant battle between good & evil, between the football men and the “suits”. It’s simplistic but many people like to believe it.
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“Nice to see Brendan Rodgers showing the executive how to deal with agents and their pliable players.
Haksabanovic and Daniel Kelly are guys we can live without”
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Again, this is seen as the good things are done by Brendan with the implied suggestion that the “suits” are incapable of seeing this. A few of the posters on the disgruntled side of the Celtic street were actually interpreting this with the opposite narrative i.e. The suits were not willing to pay Mr. Kelly enough and were depriving Brendan of a player he liked. I guess you pick your conspiracy theory and you double down on it.
Meanwhile E-Tims, no lovers of the Board, and with their unblemished track record for accuracy😀, have us signing Caomhin Kelleher. Now, I’d love this to be true and I’d back the spending it required but it would be hard to shoehorn this purchase into the narrative of biscuit tins, risk averse, account sheet worship and bean counting that we like to throw at Celtic.
If it happens, we can chalk this up to Brendan heroically insisting on it with the threat of resignation in the air again, against the collective opposition of everyone on the Board, and find ways to resolve the cognitive dissonance again.
If attributing all the good things to Brendan does not work for us, we can just ignore Brendan’s words of last year and say – he was just joshing us- that’s not what he really thinks, we know him better than that.
Is that how it works?
disgruntled side of the Celtic street
it was because he missed the tram. the wee bhoy and his mam, walk back up to maryhill
https://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/view-item?key=VXsiUCI6eyJ0YXgiOjEsInQiOlszMjVdfX0&WINID=1720793034491&fullPage=1#y1sBQlzXB_YAAAGQp0HtlQ/4494
93.
No money, no striker, out of europe, a really really poor team, manager executive and a hardcore 10,000 fanbase. the taylor report and a huns team with the england captain.
Listen son, stick with it, support your team and dreams will come true. One day you will be sitting in a stadium and the team will have 100 million pounds in the bank.
shut up ya aul eejit.
Terry Cassidy was a better ceo than Peter Lawwell, fact.
Ronald Koeman: “This is not a penalty. His only attention was to block a shot. Harry Kane then shoots and their feet collide. Football is getting BROKEN with these type of calls by VAR!”
Bigbhoy,
I and many more,dont want the nuts and bolts of every transfer.A name will do.For example,the Croatian keeper.Everyone knows he is for sale.Are we interested?Just some info.I out buy this,that because we are in for someone,nobody else will know about him.That’s the Huns you are thinking about.
It just reeks of inaction,dithering,parsimony.Its not as if we don’t have history.
As far as I know,no one else is in for Bernardo,he wants the move.Seems a simple one.With us it never is.
While working in both north west germany and around Venlo in netherlands I was not quite prepared for how much the dutch and the deutch hate each other, not only in football terms but in everyday life slurs were common place, only time some agreed was on how much they despised the turks.
the favour of england in a ffotball match having seen the germans fail in the competition didnt suprise me, and i dont do conspiracy theories, but i could accpet someone favouring the english to progress rather than the hollanders.
but as with all these things it comes down to actually putting your chances away.
anyways come on the kings eleven, espania
I just want Brendan to be more forthright.Maybes,not enough.Show who is in charge.
it is simple.
for most transfers, the agent holds all the cards, the player will move when the agent says so.
celtic should and must come to the table with a genuine this is our offer, that is what we will pay, that is the going rate for that thing.
like buying steel.
Dermot Desmond is in charge.
Brendan’s a hired hand
CELTIC40ME @ 1:32 PM,
The fact is the pathway has being changing and developing in the last couple of seasons.
Chris McCart – Head of the Academy
Steven Hammell – Head of Academy Coaching
Barrowfield development
Last season, then…
Darren O’Dea Professional player pathway manager.
Now
Stephen MvManus Jonny Hayes, B Team coach.
Adam Asghar lead coach with the U18 team, Chris Hendry as U18 coach.
That’s significant change and suggests there was not a clear and established pathway under Ange.
Let’s see how this works out…
Hail Hail
SFTB
Can’t think of any club in the world where the manager is in charge, over and above the club owner.
SFtBs @ 2:52 PM,
Brendan Rodgers has enough enemies within without me feeling that I need to put the boot in, so yes, for me the way it works is support our Manager…
Accentuate the positives
Eliminate the negatives
Is it one sided? You betcha!!
But your two examples, Haksabanovic on record as saying the Board wanted to keep him and it was the Manager who got rid of him.
The Daniel Kelly stuff I’m sure you’ve read yourself, down to Mr Rodgers.
Yet if Haksabanovic does great at Malmo
If Daniel Kelly grows to be the knew Paul McStay.
Brendan is still responsible, he clearly made those decisions, he lives with the consequences.
Just having a wee chat with Celtic40me there…
Brendan came in a year ago, with a team rebuild, a Japanese tour, a treble to win and a UCL group stage to contend with.
Mixed results sure but most agree passmark…
Yet of course he hasn’t done enough for player development.
He’s never going to win with some fholk
I’m aware of that and just like to add balance to the Forum Celticus
Hail Hail
BIGRAILROADBLUES @ 12:38 PM,
Oh! Euston – we have a problem
Hail Hail
In: None.
Out: Sead Haksabanovic, forward (Malmo, undisclosed); Joe Hart, goalkeeper (retired); Rocco Vata, forward (Watford, undisclosed); Magnus Mackenzie, defender (Queen’s Park); Benny-Jackson Luyeye, midfielder.
Loan ended: Adam Idah, forward (Norwich City); Paulo Bernardo, midfielder (Benfica).
Loan out: Marco Tilio, forward (Melbourne City, loan extension).
TURKEYBHOY
Celtic won’t discuss transfer dealings with the media or supporters until a contract is signed, and that is the way it should be.
There is no way they should even tell the supporters they are interested in or talking to a player.
If supporters like you get impatient and want to be told what’s happening every step of the way, then that’s up to you. I used to searched my parents’ bedroom for hidden presents weeks before Christmas, but then again, I WAS ONLY 6.
Chairbhoy
A change in the deckchairs does not mean the beach is any nearer blue flag status.
People move on- I remember Stephen Frail, Tommy McIntyre & John Kennedy being in some of those positions- decent people who knew what they were doing.
Still glad to see a dedicated position for Player Development- our use of Loaning out for players is vital and if we’ve just removed 2 from Admira Wacker I’d like to see a few more get a chance there.
Northern English clubs like Fleetwood, Morecambe, Carlisle and Crewe would be good places to cultivate further. Maybe even Blackpool, who have done a great job in getting Karaoke back on track, for players getting their 2nd loan spell.
Chairbhoy 3.45
😂😂
CHAIRBHOY on 12TH JULY 2024 3:32 PM
“That’s significant change and suggests there was not a clear and established pathway under Ange.”
So Ange achieved all this despite there being no established pathway? But Brendan did very little despite the change over the couple of seasons?
What that suggests is that the manager is key in all this. Brendan must do better
Bada
Anything in the pipeline signings wise?
Chairbhoy
Yes I agree Saed said that. I don’t know the man(Haksa) and have no idea if it was at Brendan’s insistence against the Board’s wishes or whether someone gave Saed a sob story to tell. What I do know is that he failed to impress with Stoke and, therefore, I doubt he will come back to haunt us.
I can wish Daniel Kelly well without much enthusiasm. Once they leave Celtic, without any track record of service, or by-pass Celtic, as John McGinn did, I can ignore them without ill-feeling or lionising them for having struck a blow against the suits.
Brendan gets more than a passmark from me for winning a double despite no discernible Euro competitive progress. However, like the majority of Celtic fans, I was concerned by the low public energy displayed by Brendan in his first few months with us when neither he nor the team were firing on more than one cylinder. He got us back on track again in the 2nd half but, for all those who are worried about potential rankings in the pre-season friendlies next week, wait till the much harder CL Group matches come round. That will be the test of whether we have become harder to beat in Europe. We are certainly a less exciting team to watch than we were with Ange but I am prepared to thole that if it achieves more Euro competitiveness AND, of course, if we still win the league which is Aim number one- this and every year.
If you are in the standing area our new yearly ST has landed, at least it’s not blue as happened a few years ago 🙄
SFTB,
In charge of recruitment.
happy ‘kebab for tea’ day.
Never ask for a kebab in Greece 🇬🇷 🫣
TML,
Absolute nonsense.What,only we should not do it?.Load of old nonsense.I watch,read,loads of football.In the EPL,Spurs chasing players for weeks,many others the same.No secrecy involved.Teams go after a named player,can go on for weeks.Your idea went out the window when you were 6.
,Spurs chasing players for weeks,many others the same.
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why dont they just pay up and get the players in.
Alcaraz safely through – setting us up for a double
bad craic PB
Ange must have learned to dither in Parkhead
The last time that Celtic were a big serious club who wee taken seriously the great MON was in charge of Celtic.
MON was in charge to the degree that when DD asked MON what he was thinking about in pursuing Chris Sutton for £6 million, a player who had only scored one goal the previous season?
MON replied “I`m after Chris Sutton because I`m the manager.”
Can anybody imagine ANY of our managers since the Lawwell managerial puppet show began in 2004, show the steel balls that MON did to the enquiring DD?
Neil Lennon as his first time managerial spell walked out because Lawwell sold the good players and brought in dubious pishy projects from hellishly evil countries as well too.
As Davie Provan said “The most important person at any football club, is the manager. Don`t get that appointment right and the entire club will suffer.”
As for the Fergus McCann love-in, he and his duplicitous arrogance chased away countless £ millions of pounds from Uppity Tim Rebel Consortium investors who were all lined up on Kerrydale Street waiting to help out, and then McCann took his wee fly sleekit mask off and the new regime ran out of money in October, and it was the AMAZING Celtic fans money that built the stadium – NOT McCann money, he paid off £9 million of debt and was skint as a result of that.
But Shhhhhhhhhhh.
And the rest of the rebuild cash came from thousands of skint Ordinary Joe`s who are now written out of each and every McCann licking, rewritten Guffoonery accounts of FAKE Celtic history.
We even changed our name but Shhhhhhhh.
1888 – 1994
The Celtic Football and Athletic Company.
1994 – Now
Celtic Football Club.
Shhhhhhhh.
What a wicked web they weave when Tims decide to deceive.
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TOM MCLAUGHLIN on
SFTB
Can’t think of any club in the world where the manager is in charge, over and above the club owner.
DESSYBHOY- only what’s being discussed FWIW, I can see Bernardo in soon
So far Spurs have signed two 18 year olds for a total of £50m.
They’ve sold one player and released 5 players all aged between 25 and 35 with 225 caps from England France Croatia and Wales. Total income £10m
Archie Grey went from Leeds for £40m, he chose Spurs because in his own words he’s a massive Celtic fan and was excited about working with Ange
The other guy had a 50 odd appearances for a Swedish team and went for £10m
I wouldn’t imagine a lot of hard work went into their business so far this Summer