In a month full of events which resonate with the spirit which inspired those who formed Celtic Football Club, last night’s Wee Oscar 4 Life race night at the Kerrydale Suite was as special as it gets. Those who were there know they gathered as a community to help the family of Oscar Knox do whatever they can to help the four-year-old through his illnesses.
If you were there, you were magnificent. Those who decided they would give their time and resources to organise the event are an inspiration to us all. It was great to hear Bobby Petta talk about the Celtic support in glowing terms. He has been back in Glasgow for a couple of years and is very much at home in Celtic. Treble-winning-captain-Tom-Boyd and Frank McAvennie didn’t need to learn about the Celtic support, they were born into it. Both were there to help and ensure the night was a success.
Performances of the night came from Oscar’s dad, Stephen, Kris Commons’ partner, Lisa and our very own Minx, who sounded like she had presented Children In Need for the last 20 years. Lisa, who is heavily pregnant, inspired the room with an uncommon touch of humanity.
By late in the evening the total raised was over £25k. Another simply stunning day in Paradise.
I’ve been offline for most of the last couple of days but have picked up on some of the issues surrounding the Green Brigade. What I haven’t missed is a single minute of action at Celtic Park this season but I’ve not seen a single incident of crowd trouble or alarm. This season our games could be ‘policed’ by stewards alone, so it is beyond curious as to why police have any interest in Celtic supporters at all.
Football operations the like of which have been reported are not the actions of officers on the ground, they are a political dictate from very high up the food chain. There is neither justification nor plausible motivation for using our tax money in this way.
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Auldheid at 22:48
Exactly.
I can say I’m very afraid there is no good way back.
Night all. Night wee Oscar & Izzie god bless x
NA2
Why would this get international coverage ?
Not that I don’t want to, just can’t see it.
The biggest sporting scandal in brit sporting history, tax fraud thrown in hardly gets a mention.
If the masonic cabal has it’s way, and they are doing pretty good presently, nothing will be reported.
thetimrieper
22:41 on 18 November, 2012
Big Nan
Ive been through some bad times as a supporter, but the enemies of
our club were external and we stood together. If what the Green Brigade
are saying is true,our enemy is from within. That saddens me.
……………………………
It is sad that the Board never saw fit to congratulate the work of the Green Brigade which was second only in to the result against Barca.
Bankier strikes me as a cold fish and his reported comments about the fans behaving themselves does nothing to inspire my confidence in him.
More and more we are being treated as customers at Celtic Park, and treated badly at that by the police and sometimes the stewards. This is not how it should be, in what is, a relatively well behaved stadium.
Doc is Neil Lennon
22:47 on
18 November, 2012
natknow
Those stats were not lost, you are correct.
Another poster sent me copies, they are readily available.
Paul67 has my email address.
Are you referring to the British Transport Police’s stats or the ones that reported as having been lost? Either way – I’m interested and will drop Paul67 a message with my email address. Cheers.
Heaven67…,
You’ll have proof the treatment is being challenged then.
The sopport have been silent for years on this issue while watching the treatment get worse, now if what you say is true why is there no improvement ?
Silence is the language of the oppressor all that’s happening through the silence is we can’t be sure who is the oppressor anymore. That is done to lack of communication from our board.
As usual there are a few who have decided this issue will impact on the support for the team, that’s nonsense and reprehensible, there is not a single supporter who will wish anything less for the team, unity in support for the team is unquestionable, unity in support for the board and their vision for the future is what is at stake here, stop deliberately trying to confuse the issue.
This remains an excellent site with many thoughtful contributors. Yet it is also sometimes tarred by some of our “support”. For example, those people speaking about “apartheid Scotland”, “Israel acting like the Nazi”, “green hun board”… Some even still like to post about “prods” and joke about David Murray’s disability. Others seem to feel this is an appropriate place to speak about the joys of Marxism.
Please can we stop this reference to being “the greatest fans in the World”. It always was a most arrogant label. We have some wonderful supporters. However we also have ignorant fans who castigate players like Wilson, Mulgrew, Samaras, Miku etc. This group seem to derive nothing but negativity from the Celtic institution. They are fixated with our chief executive and his bonus. They just moan and sap energy from others. What do they give back? Abuse. Abuse to those who have run our club very well overall. This lot would probably adore another Allan Macdonald figure who was loved by the media. They might even wish for Mr Dempsey to return! He was another who told them only what they wanted to hear.
The Celtic board have presided over a remarkable period of success for our club. The support have been paramount in that success. However, there are an element who will never be happy. They seldom say anything encouraging about Celtic.
To those who support and encourage our club: hail hail!
Big Nan
The Green Brigade tifo at the Barca game raised our profile across the
world more than any board i can remember.
I think you maybe be right we are becoming a corporate brand
and not a football club
A lot of season ticket ripping up, boycotts and hounding the board out here tonight despite no one having any details or facts to back things up.
Is it a coincidence that we are top of the league and have just beat barca? Let the Huns dictate your actions and you’ll be left behind at the rapture. Armageddon is the aim here, don’t be fooled.
Scott Severin is a tv natural…..
natknow
Pretty sure they are the lost ones. But the info in them is the same, the raw data would be available even if the collated info was really lost(it wasn’t, loosing electronics info is very difficult and takes a lot of effort, every hard drive where the files had been stored would have to be physically destroyed)
The BTP info is also there.
A while since I looked at them, I know an SNP activist and tried to give them to him, he wasn’t interested. Not a high up Nationalist, but active.
Email me when Paul67 gives you my address.
John O’Neil – I’m sorry but it isnt enough just to accept the tripe served up by the Board. Bankiers performance at the AGM was a cringefest. But all would be forgiven if they could ensure that celtic supporters werent being arrested at the slightest perceived offence. For you to belittle what is going on isnt even slightly acceptable.
Exiled you are talking about two different matters. The huns collapse is a big news story in Scotland – reasonably big in the UK but no where near world news. The Tax case and the stripping of titles will get some publicity though.
But civil liberties groups are looking on at Scotland in disbelief and the denergration of Scotland will be big news as the independence vote approaches. Civil liberties lawyers, already astonished at the recently passed bill are showing great interest in the goings on at CP and elsewhere. I know a few and they are watching events with interest. My lawyer friends are telling me that the judiciary are beside themselves with the nonsense being presented by the Police – but the real push is from the SNP government who are desperate to show their “orange” credentials.
As for our Board – its all about the money money money………….
Sometimes supporting the club is speaking out against it.
For example, I’m against the club when it comes to appropriating chants and slogans first started by the GB for commercial use whilst they allow the petty harrassment of that group in the stadium, not to mention the fact that no recognition whatsoever was forthcoming from the club towards the GB for the Barca display despite the GB making and funding the whole thing. And how much you want to bet the panoramic pictures from that game will soon be available in the Celtic Store for some ridiculously high price?
You can still support the team whilst criticizing those in charge.
As I’ve said before, I’m willing to give the club the benefit of the doubt over the GE CSC’s accusations but they really do have to clarify their position over this otherwise they might be seeing very empty stands next season.
thetimrieper
When the call for money came in 1994 we were more than fans then.
I wonder how many of those who forked out money they could not afford have been subjected to demeaning treatment of one sort or another at Celtic Park?
I for one object to the patronizing remarks of Bankier re the fans behaving themselves when his silence on the brilliant display by the dedicated fans at the Barca game, as you rightly say, raised our profile across the world.
thetimrieper
That is probably why Green Brigade started their boycott after this game. Legia Ultras started their protest after best performance in years.
Ultras are solt of the stadiums. I love them but there are times when they have their five minutes and won’t miss occasion to prove it.
Just a suggestion, not directed at anyone.
Rather than bother Paul with the passing on of e-mail addys………..he is a busy mhan.
Why not set up an e-mail addy that can be used for CQN.
I did a while ago, not had one single mail from anyone who I didn’t want to mail me, it takes a few mins of your time, and a lot less of Paul’s time.
The honest mistake – yeah right we are all making it up!
Grow up my friend.
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/
Wonder how these boys and girls would fare in Scotland. Coud have a field day with the Huns, to say nothing of the GB!
On a serious note, they have made an error in the McCalpine case, but it should not stymie their overall aim – investigative journalism.
natknow
Just had a scroll through a couple of the files, they are the Scottish Government files.
There are many links contained in the files as well, it is a Pandora’s Box.
They are not my files, but I know the poster who sent them to me would be happy to have them shared.
Seems to me there are 3 bones of contention:
1) the GB members are being unlawfully harassed by the Police at a cost that cannot represent Best Value Policing.
2) This is happening within CP so it seems to have the support of the Celtic authorities.
3) The police are using powers granted to them by the new legislation
I think that while point 1 is beyond doubt, the other 2 points still have some evidence gathering to be done before a reasonable judgement can be made on their truth.
The GB have met and decided that a course of action had to be followed by their members and they did not seek the views of the wider support nor ask them to take the same action. They have consciously, it seems to me, decided to act alone and let others make up their mind as to how they would respond. The message seems to be:- “If you do not like the GB as a whole, then you will miss us when we are gone and our absence will demonstrate that.”
UTLR’s post was both heartbreaking and honest. He portrayed the depth of harassment being visited upon GB members and the lack of room that the GB feel they have in adopting a tactic, any tactic, short of a boycott, to counter this. UTLR was honest enough to say that they reached for boycott in a mood of anger and frustration, rather than as a clear-headed decision as to what might work best. I am not criticising that as hot-headed, merely pointing out that many Celts outwith the GB will not feel the same frustration because they have not been similarly targeted.
Before we divide upon lines that are drawn too strictly, that you either support the GB action FULLY or not at all, I wonder if there is still room for more considered action, even if a boycott remains part of that action.
Celtic First is right to express scepticism on the view that the Celtic authorities want to get rid of the GB. I would find that genuinely unbelievable. However, I am sure they would wish to shape and “sanitise” the GB repertoire and that the GB are in no mood to submit to their inspection or approval as regards songbook or display. Yet the fact that they have had meetings and discussed approaches hints that both sides wanted to, at least, see what areas existed, upon which they could find common ground and , I hope, that those avenues will remain open during the run up to any planned action.
What I would prefer to see is some action that puts the police action in the spotlight. I fear they may be delighted with a boycott as they would think they had won a battle, but not the war, with the GB. But if the majority of the CP crowd were to walk out, at a given signal, to assemble on the concourses or to turn their backs in silence for a set period of time, we could demonstrate to the club that we were, most of us, willing to go to the level of boycotting matches, should they not heed the warnings of the wider support that they support the majority of the benefits that the GB brings to CP.
I hope that the GB turn away from their “go it alone” policy and seeks dialogue with wider support groups. If the CSA and the CST and others can agree a timetable of escalating actions we could more swiftly reach a point of embarrassing our true enemies.
Neganon2
It is always a useful approach to ask who would benefit from this reported excessive police action?
Now in the days when the GB were at loggerheads with the GB it would be easy to say it is the Board who would benefit from the removal of the GB.
But JR has gone and the GB have matured considerably since the poppy banner that angered Celtic and are much more an asset than a liability.
On that basis alone and using the same accusation that all that matters to the Board is making money, it seems unlikely the Board will benefit from the police action.
So who is left but the man who decided a summit was needed (after abandoning the previous governments anti sectarian policies) and then the OB Bill?
The bill that the police themselves called for?
Putting aside the default position that its the Board’s fault, they disdain the support, so they must be complicit, the ‘who benefits’ arguement suggests that your scenario of a national scandal is not so extreme as it looks on first read.
A policy everyone says was not needed and one that is producing no convictions at a cost as predicted by those arguing against it, hardly looks good on the cv of a man wanting to be Scotlands first Prime Minister.
Doc –
Cheers mate – very interested in seeing that information. Your story re: SNP activist does not surprise me in the slightest. We are not the demographic they are interested in – as can be seen from their recent actions.
John o neil,
I don’t subscribe to dumbing down discussion as healthy
GB at loggrheads with the Board. DUH
John O Neil
“Israel acting like the Nazi”
The Sharon administration admitted in Ha’aretz to studying the tactics used by the Nazi’s in the Warsaw Ghetto so they could impliment them in Gaza and the West Bank…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsoeoEFwnUI
Rangers have died and a lot of people are angry.
Time to play it as smart as possible.
NA2
Thanks for that, I must admit that angle really didn’t cross my mind.
But being a tad negative myself, I won’t be holding my breath for it to happen :>)
As for the suits, I think they are ripping the heart and soul out of the club, I don’t think they are doing it intentionally, I just think they there needs to be more dialogue with the lifeblood of the club, if not, they are on a slippery slope imo.
As Israel tries to bomb Gaza into the Middle Ages* UEFA gets ready to host the Under 21 European Championship there.
Please tell Mr Platini otherwise by signing this petition;
https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/uefa-president-michel-platini-remove-uefa-2013-european-under-21-championship-from-israel
*their words not mine
Neganon.
I’ve grown up past the age of reason. Maybe you should. What kind of nonsense is it to suggest that the Celtic board can dictate how strathclyde police behave? Yet it has been posted on here countless times. The Huns believe that Peter law well controls Scotland. Seems like the Huns way of thinking has been planted into the brains of a few on here.
Doc
I would appreciate a copy if you don’t mind.
nohunshere@hotmail.com
SFTB
Well said, as always. That’s all I was trying to say. I have incurred the wrath of NegAnon, who I believe posts on CQN every now and then when there are negative points to be made anonymously.
I agree with you that ongoing dialogue between the Green Brigade and the board is the key to the way ahead here.
Big Nan
I couldn`t understand that remark myself, although some have said on here
it was meant as a joke, a back handed compliment maybe. The last place
a Celtic fan would expect to be demeaned would be Celtic Park, they
get enough of that away from the ground.
Zbyszek
Without the Green Brigade, a bit of Celtic dies.
TET,
You have mail.
Doc – email sent to P67…
I don’t believe our board are stupid, so I hope a solution will be found.
This is the stuff of wet dreams for Sevco bloggers. They are fixated by Celtic, Lawwell and the GB.
Time for everyone to box clever.
G’night all
Barrach Obampot
23:23 on 18 November, 2012
John O Neil
“Israel acting like the Nazi”
The Sharon administration admitted in Ha’aretz to studying the tactics used by the Nazi’s in the Warsaw Ghetto so they could impliment them in Gaza and the West Bank…
_____________________________________________________________________
Do you have a link for this information?
Sharon has been kept alive for years now despite being in a vegetative state. There is a real reason why this is happening IMO.
Thanks in advance.
NegAnon2: I agree that we should be sometimes critical and not just accept tripe. There was no intention to belittle the Green Brigade topic. We need to establish all the details concerning this dreadful situation.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire: we agree then.
Barrach Obampot: one can only feel for all those who are suffering. This might be a bland statement but I feel it is most appropriate. Moreover, this is not the place to discuss such a tragic situation.
Thanks for your thoughts. Goodnight all.
Auldheid,
You are quite correct – but perhaps, in my opinion, for the wrong reasons.
Salmond and others went down the road after the huns bad behaviour at the shame game. But the result was to punish the victims rather than the perpetrators.
The best question is why.
Why go down the line they went? As you rightly point out the SNP abandoned Mr McConnells campaign against sectarian singing. It was actually working – but the SNP saw it was hurting one “side” in particular. Instead of understanding why a new policy was bourne – equalisation. Also you cannot underestimate the latent sectariansim at the heart of scottish society.
The new law was pointless apart from the mask that slipped – a chance to even things up, a chance to smash the green brigade, a chance to even criminalise blessing yourself. Its not fiction – all of these things were said by very senior people in Scotland.
I know its hard to accept the truth sometimes – but scottish society is anti catholic and hates celtic by its very nature – the mask slipped badly during the passing of the bill. Worse than that – they have kept the campaign going.
The Strathclyde Police are one of the most sectarian organisations in the western world – the unholy pact that has resulted in them taking over as Scotland’s national police force is another sign of what is going on.
The SNP, like the huns, have the MSM looking after them. But like the huns its only a matter of time before this behaviour really comes out into the real world. When it does the world will become amazed by events and the dominos will fall.
But right now we have a problem. We have the people who run our club apparently complicit in the prejudice. Remarkable – and potentially deadly for the club.
Not a good place for anyone right now.
NA