We spoke about Stale Solbakken here as an option during one of our recent management vacancies. At the time he was manager of Copenhagen, who were playing monopoly with the Danish game and had become the first regular Champions League competitor from that country. Yesterday he was sacked as manager of Wolves, who are 18th in the second tier of English football.
Mick McCarthy led Wolves to promotion into the FA Premier League in 2009 but was sacked in February after slipping into a relegation place. The club were relegated and Solbakken was appointed in July. Solbakken, still only 44, won five leagues in six seasons at Copenhagen and competed well with a tiny budget in the Champions League. He is a good manager but his failure at Wolves presents more evidence that the fabled guru football manager doesn’t exist.
Managers are cogs in a management system which involves players, scouts, technical experts, coaches, youth development staff and administrators. If a club gets all the other components right, as Copenhagen unquestionably did, the guy with ultimate control over team matters will appear to over-perform. Conversely, if you have a genuinely talented manager but he doesn’t work with a crucial part of the football structure, progress will stall. Martin O’Neill taught us more about football tactics in his first season than we had learned in the previous 20 years, but he was not known to sign players he hadn’t identified when playing against his teams.
Wolves chance of recruiting a manager as good as Mick McCarthy is slight. They could do worse than look at how Celtic stemmed the flow of failure by taking a guy who was already working with the scouts, coaches, technical experts, youth development staff and administrators. Don’t look for a guru, get the system right and find someone who will work within it.
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……. Have the same opinion on this new tribute act who have aquired the support of the previous dead outfit who blighted Europe with their racist views and opinions for 139 years till their death ! Mmmmmmm a wonder !!!!!
EDB,
You got that one bum for elbow.
JRR is a huge fan of Noel90.
I spent a very pleasant couple of hours with him the other day.
He is in grand form, but showing no signs of returning to the fold.
*****
I agree about the football authorities failure to effectively impose their own sanctions.
I also applaud players who take their own action.
BUT.. and like my own, it’s a big Butt.
The opportunities for abuse, by unscrupulous clubs are also there, hence, why it’s the authorities that should be doing their job and that is where the pressure needs to be seriously applied.
Otherwise, the games is, as I and TET suspect, a bogey.
IncreasinglydisenfranchisedCSC.
Sanna
My old laptop is windows 2000 … Gonna try that lazesoft prog
Just saw suarez handball… On the day the opposition put the name of 96 liverpool fans onto empty seats as a mark of respect… If ever there was the opportunity to put your reputation as a racist wee cheat into a better light by being honest … but naw no wee suarez
Totally agree Paul.
Barcelona set up is the prime example, Pep to Tito, same results.
I am a bit puzzled by Chelsea chasing Pep so publicly, unless they are about to change their structure to the Barca model, which seems unlikely from such a loadsamoney arrogant club.
ToffeeTim
You will hear plenty about racial abuse, as long as the abuse is directed towards people with different coloured skins, or if their religion is anything but Catholic.
Celtic, as long as they are playing in scotland will have to endure it, nobody, but nobody will stick up for them.
It’s a sad, sad state of affairs
Alasdair MacLean
Ha!! For the Galaxy, first of all, get a big lump hammer… :))
Hail Hail
TTT
The difference is the player told the ref what was going on and he did nothing prior to him kicking the ball at his abusers, IMO the ref should have spoken to a club official to announce that any more instances of this would result in the players leaving the pitch.
What do you suggest players do?
EDB – you have mail matey!
T4
tommytwiststommyturns
18:01 on6 January, 2013
Aw Naw –stillroom for plenty of football debate on here!
TTTT
What about accurate historic reporting ?
Neil Lennon was an expensive after thought. Very much like our reaction to the battle of Dens park.
Yes we are doing well. Especially Lenny.
So either we did try and save Rangers by taking our gas of the pedal during the TM era and dispensed with NL services before getting him back or it was a case of this board finally buying a winning ticket.
And now its presented as some grandiose plan.
Denial of facts that would leave a sevconian flabbergasted.
I bet WBA have made more money from our management budget than Lennys management team still to this day.
The board and their lackeys need to take note and stóp insulting our intelligence by treating us like sevcopaths with thier miś information management. If they are hoping we will turn into bean counting glory hunters and I believe they do then they are in the wrong place.
Personally I think Sevco in SPL1 within 3 years will be the end of them.
From this angle I certainly hope so.
HH
The Boy Jinky……this worked a treat for me..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRLJIOfI-38
Leabrannagh
American TV is showing a documentary on Barcelona tonight discussing how they became the best team in the world. It’ll be either very good or bloody awful. I’m sure someone will post it on YouTube at some stage.
I wonder if they will show the Mighty Celtic doing a job on Barca!
Hail Hail
From twitter:
@celticrumours @CelticHub mladen petric to celtic on a cut price deal cos his contract is up got it on high authority deal to be done 2moro
Tictastic
That looks the biz niz … Will try that
Sannabhoy
You got mail buddy
just home from work no emails..
WTF?
Jude @ 17.50- what a party that was
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dessybhoy
20:11 on
6 January, 2013
TTT
The difference is the player told the ref what was going on and he did nothing prior to him kicking the ball at his abusers, IMO the ref should have spoken to a club official to announce that any more instances of this would result in the players leaving the pitch.
What do you suggest players do?
*******
I think in that instance, the player was correct. However, it is not the answer.
The pressure must be put on the authorities, or else anarchy will hasten the end of what is left of the game.
Your opinion of what the ref should have done, is correct, in my view.
mladen petric? Who is he? What position does he play? Do you know anythnig yourself, starryhope?
32 Year old Fulham Striker coming out of contract. Other than that I dunno mate – just posting what I read on Twitter.
Starryhope
I have always liked Mladen Petric. He kept Jelavic out of a good Croatian national team and he has continued to score despite few opportunities for Fulham.
My only worry was his age. At 32 he will have no sell on value but, if we are not paying a fee for him this could be to both our advantages.
Aw Naw – I couldn’t believe the three names put forward for the managers role before we paid WBA compensation for Mogga. All three were a major step down from WGS in my opinion and it showed a complete and utter lack of vision on the part of the board.
I could have understood the need for a manager used to working with a tight budget, but surely our sights should have been set higher than the names suggested. The suspicion remained that our board was part of Operation Save Rankers, but I really can’t believe that was the case.
Look at the madness of their £10M splurge following Kaunas and also the £4M for Jelavic that they couldn’t afford, while we refused to budge from a long-term business plan. They could only compete with us by spending money that wasn’t theirs.
While the board were getting it disastrously wrong with the most important position at the club, thankfully someone was getting it very right with the scouting and development set up at the club. You can’t deny that, looking at the current first team squad.
Personally, I wouldn’t have given Lenny the job, preferring a more experienced campaigner….but WTF do I know, eh?!
T4
TTT
Yes they should however the media need to highlight all instances of this including secterianism, I was sure the other night in the Edinburgh derby that the pitch side mics were switched off preventing the viewer hearing what was being sung, Macaskill said there were instances of secterian singing, the viewer wouldn’t know or be aware as it wasn’t mentioned by those at the game , they are colluding in covering this up.
just checked again and still no emails… o((
Due to start back at work tomorrow after 2 weeks off. Feeling very low I decided to check my lottery tickets. Guess what?!!!!
I’m still as down as a Sevcovian who’s spent his weans Christmas money on Chucks get rich quick scheme. :-(
Give the manager some decent money to spend ffs.
BT
did you get my reply to you yesterday evening ?
Emusanorphan
I’m going back tomorrow after two weeks off , didnae win the lottery either
Bt
I can hear you singing
Naebody likes me… Everybody hates me
Think al go and eat worms
PF
yip. details passed to P67
also back to work tomorrow, probably about 20appeals pending due to ATOS…
TTTT
“All three were a major step down from WGS in my opinion and it showed a complete and utter lack of vision on the part of the board.”
Do you think the Board were beating away better managers because they were going to cost too much? One of those “cheap, unambitious” targets felt that Celtic were beneath him and chose to stay with Burnley. Tony Mowbray left a better team than Burnley and we had to pay a fair amount of money to west brom to get him.
At that time, there were not a lot of ambitious managers willing to come to this club. Yes we could have persuaded a bigger name to come by paying above the odds. We could have had a reluctant chief who would use us as a bridge to move on to something they perceived as better.
Now, I am not making any argument that Tony Mowbray was a good choice, far less the best choice, but I think we needed that period of pain, to appreciate better what we had under WGS, when the support felt that anybody could run a successful Celtic team.
Tony Mowbray proved that lazy supporter boast wrong
Bt
Whats Alex ThOmSon got to do with apples
jinky..
hit a nerve there… o((
BT
Thanks pal
Bt
Dentist is open monday ;)
Lest we forget.
TM would’ve romped the league if it weren’t for the “Honest Mistakes”. I have the details of every cheating display on file at work. Remember No Surname was under pressure. The MIB’s kept their side of unholy deal.
Remember Equestrian Thomsons denial of blatant penalties at the Bigotdome in the ex-Glasgow Derby?
Please help Sammy, a young Loyalist, from the Lower Newtownards Road. On the average day just to retain his cultural identity Sammy is forced to block roads, cause mayhem, riot, and wear a Rangers scarf over his mouth. Text FLEG to 1690 and help poor wee Sammy to get a life.
This is SO right!!!
Stolen from CM/footyboards, etc
The seven deadly sins of the Sevconian
The erratic, crazed and deluded behaviour of Sevconians continues to be a source of both wonder and amusement. The root of it is a narcissist mindset having to come to terms with supporting a club that was liquidated and its successor plying its trade at the bottom level of Scottish football.
Hotchkiss the psychotherapist and leading expert on the narcissist mindset has developed a number of key characteristics which she terms as the ‘Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism’
It goes a long way to helping us understand the troubled and confused mind of the sevconian.
Number 5 is particularly poignant
1. Shamelessness – Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
2. Magical thinking – Narcissists see themselves as perfect using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
3. Arrogance – A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
4. Envy – A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person’s ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
5. Entitlement – Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Any failure to comply will be considered an attack on their superiority and the perpetrator is considered to be an “awkward” or “difficult” person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
6. Exploitation – can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
7. Bad Boundaries – narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist will be treated as if they are part of the narcissist and be expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.