When this publishes, I should be a few kilometres into the Great Scottish Run. These events can be humbling. You see people there with messages on their shirts. ‘The big C’ gets a lot of mentions, in many of its forms, as does heart disease and conditions most of us will, fortunately, be less familiar with. Some simply have a loved one’s smiling photograph on their back. Their former feeling of helplessness matured into purposeful action.
I’m running for Celtic Charity’s 1254125 campaign. This is not something controlled or even organised by the club, but it is fundamental to what Celtic Football Club is. The Celtic Movement was called together in a church hall in November 1887 to alleviate the distress of poverty in those unable to feed themselves. It is different from other clubs because it started differently and has since walked unfamiliar roads.
The spirit to help others has been increasingly self-evident in recent years but I am sure the commitment has become more embedded as a result of 1254125. It is now part of our routine, what we know to expect from ourselves.
We will only stay different if you and I continue to insist we walk (or run) unfamiliar roads. We all worry about where our club is going. There is little we can do about many potential dangers but we can make sure Celtic remains anchored to the spirit which founded it. You can support 1254125 through the MyDonate page I setup to convince me I shouldn’t give up halfway through this run. Your support is appreciated.
Yesterday we lost Cllr George Ryan, or St John Doyle, as he was known on these pages. George touched the lives of hundreds of people but unless you were in direct contact, you would not know what he did for the people of Glasgow, for Celtic supporters in difficulty, or even for the Thai Tims. He was an exceptional Celtic man who lived the way exceptional Celtic people have ever since that meeting in St Mary’s Hall.
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Breaking News:
T’Rangers aka Sevco aka RIFC aka NewCo aka … have announced a lucrative new sponsorship deal with Heinz…
… 57 Varieties.
Tbj.
Then the huns have won.you are a bigger man than that jinky.
I went through a period of not being in the position to renew my cb’s and I’m sure as hell the reincarnation of a corrupt club will not stop me now.
I’m ambivalent to the prospect of ever facing a form of Hunco. Be great to slaughter them on the park and ridicule them with some well thought out songs, banners, etc.
However do I need them? No!
Swapping Glasgow derby for guaranteed European adventures seems like a good swap to me.
Sixtyseven
Have you got a source ;)
Sipsini
It wont be the huns that beat me….it will be friendly fire
WeeBobbyCollins
Pal.. Ah hiv jist Stated.. as CLEARLY as Ah kin.. and Boy..that took a Great big Effort.. fae Me!
And ,, Like Ah hiv stated..
You, Pal.. are Entitled tae dae whit ye Like.. When Ye Like..and As Many times as
Ye Dinnae Like tae Dae Something or No Dae Something..
Ah believe that that covers ..as tae whit Ah am talking Aboot.
Howevahhhhhhhhhh…
Ah see No reason why .. You as a Supporter are In a Postion tae Dictate
how the Club that You Support conducts it’s Business Affairs..
And.. Playing against ither Clubs , that are also in the Same League shall be one of the requirements that Celtic will have tae Honor.. Should the G.A. Become Fellow members of the same League..are part and parcel of the Business,which Celtic are
in.
Ah shoouldnae Hiv tae explain this.. but Ah hiv..
Ceitic are a Business.. and as Such..
THEY NEED THE SUPPORT OF THUR LOYAL FANS.. In order tae Continue in..
well.. BUSINESS..
Without the Monetary Support of those Fans..
Celtic will go the way of the “B” Battery!
And.. Surely, ye dinnae want that.??
As a Loyal Celtic Supporter, Ah am sure that You Soitenly Do NOT.
And ,if This Business of Withdrawing ones Monetary Support by no longer Buying a Seaon Ticket,,or No Longer Attending Games.. which has bin Threatened by a Few oan here..
It Simply..
well..
Bad fur Business,
One etther understands where Ah am coming frum of One… well Disnae..
Ah am confident that YOU do Understaun,me fine… Pal..
But.. Ah am afraid that Many Subscibers, dae Not..
Whether it is because that They Do Not Understaun whit Ah Am saying.. Ah canny tellya.
Nice chatting
Kojo
Still,Laughin
Liars, thieves, cheats, and bigots.
Aye, lets welcome them back.
Palacio67
Good reply
I’m a good bit older and I’m on season ticket 32 in a row,*not previously posted or boasted* and only respond to supporters, I’m confident that actually support Celtic.
Maybe I won’t be able to give up the club I love as sftb says it’ll be difficult, but I’ll decide on the basis of how Celtic react to the wishes and aspirations of thousands of Celtic fans past and present, who were cheated.
At best I’ll get a response and reaction I hope for, at worst we’ll get a reaction.
A lifetime of supporting Celtic won’t be altered, I wish Celtic well in how they deal with
the future.
Yes, there are missing Celtic fans, but I believe most of the gaps are created by fans that have given up because of Sevco, and not because they are missing the club that was liquidated.
Kojo et al
Re the games with Rangers ( or whatever) personally I would not want them back and not just for the reasons that Ulysses McGee outlined.
I was probably only at about a dozen matches with them from about 1993 onwards – during which time both teams had at least one spell of total dominance. The atmosphere was horrible- they brought out the worst in so many people in our own support- and if we won going for a celebratory drink was not always a safe idea and the games were often abysmal as actual spectacles of football
I will obviously continue to support Celtic irrespective of whoever we are forced to play. But the games themselves will, for years after they (re) start be even worse than before
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
Kojo
Excuse the analogy – but are you all for a clockwork orange?
u
Tbj.
Point taken :-)
TBJ
Awe dun. Ye seen ma pooch??? Lol How you keeping anyway. Everything OK.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
Kojo.
Drop the loyal… Faithful is what we are… Good game though ;-))
Sipsini
You and I go back …. way back to the nineties.
When I first met you the huns were in the nine in a row years.
We knew we were being cheated by them and the sfa
But .. we had guys at our club who fought them… maybe only small victories but the fight is more important than the outcome sometimes
If our club … bend over and take it again … I wont be part of that
Have to say down in old Ayrshire the noo, I don’t Ken any Celtic minded person, and I know a few, who want to see the deid club in its present form back. And that means in any form. Yep like a few on here, I watched the, they spend a fiver era, missed very few games, I don’t hold grudges with anyone……. but I have a long memory..
Ayrshire is Green and White…
and loud and proud.
HH
Imagine the remote control Celtic supporter trying to tell anyone what they are.
Like every other business if those in charge don’t listen to their clientele they know they are damaging the business, not the other way round as some clowns would have you believe.
Now, as a shareholder and many like me who are completely against the return of any incarnation, are not listened to the same applies, it’s simply wrong to ride roughshod over the wishes of the clientele and shareholders and those who are contemplating such an idea will be fully responsible for any damage done to the club.
If all Celtic supporters thought in 1993 the way Kojo thinks 20 years on there would be no Fergus. No Celtic.
I am not suggesting its that bad today, however, this is a once in a lifetime chance to force the Scottish football authorities to remove the hun legacy and cancel their legitimacy and have Celtic thrive more on a European platform rather than “what are the huns daein?” mentality that I believe this bored are prone. They are NOT dead. THEMS need to be dead. I hear rumours that their financial cancer is not in remission and that they are eating themselves out of existence again.
I will believe that when I see it.
To “miss” them and want them back is like wanting cancer.
Valentinesday
Ah believe that ye dinnae Fear fhem
Ye niv jist told Me.. that ye wull go And watch us Play them..
Good fur You.
It is Awe right tae Hate the G.A. .. Ah am awe fur that!
But,if Celtic are required tae Fulfill their Obligations , of being a Premier League Member…when and If the G.A. come back tae the Premier League, and do Play against them..
Then..
It behooves ,us as Celtic Supporters.. tae continue tae Support oor Club, Monetarily.. fur that is whit Supporters of A club are supporse tae dae.
If we do not wish tae go tae watch that Particular game.. then that is Perfectly
O.K.
Like Ah hiv stated Elsewhere..
We are Celtic Supporters must Not Withdraw our Support From our Club, based oan the Fact that …
The G.A. Shall Once more become a Fellow member of the Same League,in which Celtic are also a Member.
Tae withdraw One’s Support because of that situation
Borders oan Lunacy.
and yet…that is whit Ah read that Certain So called Loyal Celtic Supporters are
Threatening tae dae!
It’s Nuts, Ah tellya!
Kojo
Still,Laughin
Weefra
No seen your pooch … but did bump into BT and family in morrisons after mass this morning :)
Actually was mrs and mini I bumped into … and I asked where the grumpy old guy was … mrs answered ” probly in the booze aisle ” :)))))
But to be fair… he appeared with a pizza and no booze . Think hes on ” stay sober in october”
Hmmmmmm
Ah gotta Go,noo..
Getting ready futr Mass..
Seeya
Kojo
Still Laughin
palacio67
15:56 on 6 October, 2013For what its worth, I believe most of the fans I know who have stopped going to CP now and are missing the Zombies are of a younger generation who latched on during the MON days. Unlike others on here who had to go through the hard and dark times of late 80′s and 90′s, and who have not forgot the euphoria of them Lording it over us. However I have met a few elder Tims who seem to miss them, it baffled me somewhat, I hated that feeling in my gut when we lost to them, worse when it was helped by the MiBs, in the later years I did not even look forward to the fixture.
100%
HH
Anyways…. on to more sensible arguments.
I read two proposals to deal with our alleged failures in youth development, namely that:-
1) we should scrap our youth system and just buy the best products developed by Hibs and Dundee United etc;
or
2) We should scrap our set up and send all our best youth prospects over to Barca (or Ajax) to be trained because they do it better there.
These suggestions seem initially sensible but it only takes a minute’s reflection to see deep rooted flaws in both.
If we close our development set up and seek to cherry pick from others, what do we do when they follow our example? For the same reasons that we lost Islam Feruz to inadequate compensation, so United and Hibs and Aberdeen have been inadequately compensated for the loss of Grimmer, Fraser, Goodwillie, Russell etc;
Posters like TBB and BRT & H have told us that these clubs are concerned as to whether their youth set ups are commercially viable. If we steal Gauld or Souttar from United, or Cammy Smith, Ryan Jack or Joe Shaugnessy from the Dons, or Alex Harris from Hibs for less than they are worth, how long will the development squads of these clubs last? Will they not look to follow our example and scrap the apprenticeship schemes looking to steal promising young players from Div. 1 to 3 clubs instead. And so, the knock on effect will lead to mutual cutting off of noses and lots of spiteful faces.
Similarly, transferring our young squad to Barcelona would place them in a more hothouse atmosphere where they would be forced to compete with better prospects. But there are two obvious problems to this simplistic solution:-
a) What is in it for Barca to dilute their talent standard levels to accommodate lesser players from lesser clubs? and
b) What is to stop them from doing a Chelsea and stealing the best of our youth prospects as they see, at close quarters, who is developing best.
I am afraid, that there is only one solution to square this wee circle of problems which we have and that is to have a more realistic value put on youth development costs, and top talent, in particular.
At the moment, there is a severe conflict between a desire to promote talent development and the rewards available for doing this successfully. As a result of our attempts to get away from the contractual slavery issues of Jim McLean type 8 year youth contracts, we have made youth development an uneconomic field of activity.
A more sensible formula is needed to allow clubs to, at least, recoup their development costs for the player sold, plus an additional value that reflects the high churn and failure rate of such set ups.
Having a youth training camp reciprocal arrangement with a big Continental club might then be helpful to get an “Andy Murray at the Sanchez-Casal Academy” effect without the danger of Andy Murray competing for Spain or a Spanish club.
Mags
Could not have put that better myself. Good on you.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
TBJ
Lol.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
Jimbo67
I used to work in a pub In the east end, majoritynof the punters were huns.
If we lost again against them the tims would stay away. when we won they would stilk be in causing hassle.
During the advocaat years even the mcleish years to an extent, I didnt think the bigotry was that bad, usually could have some friendly banter. As soon as the myth went back to them their fans exploded with the 1690 syndrome which made it a whole lot worse.
Mags
I miss the huns like the jews miss the nazis .
Living in cambuslang … surrounded by orange men and women … the zombie nation is less but louder ( although this wee toon appears to have more zombies than Michael Jacksons thriller video )
We do have a good few tims however including sftb and tandoori tony :))))
I know I am probably sounding like Jobo, but the sun has just appeared in ML 10. First time in 2 days.
Weefra HH supporting Wee Oscar.
Pukki played like he’d stayed up all night to get Drunky.
Thinking back to game yesterday.
Anyone else think it significant that Kayal and Rogic never got on?
When Adam got injured there was an opportunity to bring on Kayal, and similar, when izzy came off.
Equally significant when Izzy came off and when Pukki came off, in both cases it could have been Rogic who got the nod, instead it was Biton.
I am not quite sure what has happened to Kayal, I know he was still troubled by his ankle at end of last season, but it would be great to get him back to his best.
As for Rogic, looks a decent build for a footballer, but his fitness (IMHO) is lacking, he is one footed, and sadly whenever he plays, statistically, we are more likely to drop the game.
I wonder if he really is an offensive midfielder?
Maybe left back or holding mid might be more appropriate?
Two years ago if somebody said to you that the Govan company/club would be liquidated and that a pheonix version would be made to again start on the bottom rung of the SFL, how many of us would NOT have rushed to sign on the dotted line?
This is Scotland, they were the establishment’s club/team.
This is as good as it gets for us, and we have every right to enjoy it (for reasons too numerous to mention…).
If the pheonix version ever make it up to the top level in Scottissh football, I think they will have more to worry about than we have.
The gulf in resources by that time should vrtually guarantee some serious spankings for them.
Their ambition will be (à la Motherwell or Aberdeen) to get into the lesser European tournament – once they are eligible.
That is assuming that the football landscape hasn’t changed by then, and that we won’t have moved off to new green pastures.
Here’s hoping.
Weefra
I never buy any newspapers never mind the sun :)
Btw…. BT really dizny like the LOL … he says it reminds him of the loyal orange ludge .
I stick to lmfao …with the f standing for fenian :))))
“It’s a two horse race, – and one of the horses died”
kev. aye. n. bridges CSC
FIrstly – Doc, brilliant time mate. The half marathon is a far far bigger test and achievement than a wee 10K. Honestkly!
Anyway, some great points today about what we do should we ever be forced to play the Ibrox Mob. Personally, in the event that it ever happens (and we might only be a few months away from it being impossible!) my decision will depend entirely on the actions of our own Club. Any suggestion that it’s a return to the old firm, that it’s our first match for 3 years, or that we treat them in any way different to any other Scottish club (e.g ticket prices or ticket allocations, etc) then I’ll be spending my weekends golfing. Or running ;-)
But I remain confident that, if God spares me, I will have a season ticket for years to come.
Clashcitybhoy,
We’ll soon see, if he gets the jail that’ll be confirmation he’s offensive :o)
Clash
I thought rogic had a virus yesterday.
Would not play both rogic and biton atm …. either / or
Kayal needs to prove himself again
Hendrix67
I thought that when I went during the Avocaat era things maybe did settle down a wee bit but certainly any time I went in the last three or four years things were worse than ever. Hadn’t thought of it in terms of who was the figurehead of the club but it doesn’t strike me as an outrageous idea
Jimbo67 supporting Oscar Knox
Bsr
Did kev. I . N not say it went from a two horse race to show jumping
I loved the gags about the board member running round ibrokes with a tiger face :)
And why not