The reaction of Hearts fans to Neil Critchley’s appointment as Hearts manager reminded me of the summer of 2005, when Gordon Strachan arrived at Celtic. Gordon had been out of work for over a year and had been seen by some supporters as a regressive step.
He had an impossible task: follow Martin O’Neill, a club legend, win the league and do so without the financial overspend which characterised every season under Martin (including the fabled Seville season).
By any objective measure, Gordon was an outstanding success. He picked up a squad which, without Henrik Larsson, died on its feet the previous season, and just like Ange Postecoglou in 2021, had a disastrous Champions League qualifying campaign, but built a squad which won the league and twice took us to the last 16 of Europe’s top table.
Hearts fans do not like Critchley because he was sacked by Blackpool after a year in the post and lasted less than three months at Queens Park Rangers (where he was asked to pick up the pieces after Michael Beale left for Newco).
I know little about Critchley but there is one reason to believe he will be a success – his appointment was recommended by Brighton owner and potential Hearts investor, Tony Bloom. Bloom is a professional gambler and one of the sharpest minds in analytics.
There are two things Bloom wants from his managers: excel in his valuable and confidential Key Performance Indicators, and just as importantly, be onboard with the plan. KPIs in football, including management, are notoriously difficult to assess, as an individual’s performance is overwhelmingly dependent on the performance of external factors.
Bloom’s method of assessing: Critchley or Naismith, O’Riley or Hatate, has made him enormously effective. Just as importantly, even amateur gamblers like me would bet that Critchley will do what he is told to do in building and developing the squad.
There is no room for managerial egos, gurus do not exist in football, and for clubs to reach their potential, development plans need to be followed ruthlessly.
It is unlikely Brighton or Hearts will ever win their leagues, but with ruthless devotion to analytics so seldom followed at other clubs, they have a punter’s chance. Keep your eye on Bloom; everyone else is playing catch up.
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Celtic B team win 4:0 tonight. A couple of teams around them are losing or drawing- they could move up the table .
….and maybe ` harshly` would have been better than `strongly`……and maybe I should have proofread my comment before posting :-))
Well done the B team . That will keep me going until Saturday :-))
HS
I’ve judged his previous managerial record.
I have not judged him as either a success, failure or or “meh” in the role to which he has been appointed with Celtic.
SFTB
Okay.
And repeat
We were fined more than the Huns for the Pyros. A bit strange when they used fireworks that exploded above the players,landing on the pitch,along with their Pyros.Game stopped as well.
Sometimes UEFA are baffling with their fines.Reports at the time saying they could have a Stand closed,because it was considered serious.
“Turkeybhoy on 16th October 2024 9:57 pm
We were fined more than the Huns for the Pyros.”
Prestonpans bhoys on 16th October 2024 8:49 pm
`JOHN GILLIGAN has urged Ibrox fans to ditch the pyros after Rangers were hit with a whopping £28,000 fine.`
TB
Have you read different figures?
Usually, ” Rangers” are our biggest rivals but, as things stand, that mantle has been passed to Aberdeen. We play the Dons this week but instead of having the feelings I normally have before playing the Huns when they are our main rivals, I am in a fairly pleasant frame of mind at the prospect of facing Aberdeen.
In a nutshell. I like having a genuine rival; I just prefer it when that rival is not from Ibrox.
`night all.
Wee Strachan cost the balance sheet £30 million [ like £60 – £70 million now ] in his first disastrous game for us and if the truth had ever to be told – we’d still be hearing about how he was the “downsizing” manager just as the Huns started to downsize so did we downsizing [ the old firm joined at the hip way ] from European final standard all the way down to last 16 CL and being put out on your ass was the way to go said the happy clappers [ Shhhhh don’t mention that bit ] which never gets a mention misleading folk to think that WGS was facing the powerful Huns that MON expertly dismantled only WGS did it cheaper – no he didn’t.
Years later MON was in charge of a Celtic Legends vs WGS Man Utd Legends match at Parkhead which was live on Channel 5 Terrestrial TV.
And this isn’t to score points its merely an observation. In this charity match WGS’s name wasn’t sung once, and MON’s name was sung as though the fans attending were still in the MON era.
WGS as footballer falls into the Alex MacDonald, Wullie Johnston, fkn rats category.
Three Jungle hating players and never tired of showing that fact.
WGS was probably the worst of these 3 players in terms of going out of his way to antagonize Celtic fans.
Only directors who knew little about Celtic’s agitators of the past would’ve recruited WGS.
Years later as Scotland Team Manager, WGS used his clout to try to get the leagues restructured because the Huns missed out on promotion in 2015. I wonder who put him up to that?
WGS wanted the cheating Huns to be given a pass!!!!
When you think about it deeper – “Why should fans be punished for David Murray’s crookedness?”
This was wrong and Celtic’s cowardly and thoroughly sleekit board went along with this, and so did a Timdom full of dancing monkeys!
We were no longer the good guys. We were no longer led by good guys. And we still aren’t.
Football fans did not steal EBT’s tax dodging money.
Too many wee cliques at the outskirts of the club, Sir Rod the Tory loving, Corbyn hating, Fraud, Martin Compston thinks Scottish Indy would be fantastic for Scottish people, so does Brian Cox think it would be a great idea just as long as they can live in one of their plush American mansions away out of the road of the carnage which would be sleekitly visited upon millions of innocent Scottish people.
Aye!
These woke clowns are creepy and fuel degenerate suspicions about the club and its hush hush meanders. What’ll be next? Cross dressers story hour on the pitch at half time? Just to keep in with the horrible local guvernment?
Well you took the knee for BLM a money laundering scam you fkn idiots!
If you allow creeps to mingle in the background then the clubs long gone principled integrity is a greater miss.
Even prolific journos like the likeable, Kevin McKenna, [ he’d never get a game for Celtic with a name like that ] , but he had to open up and pen one of his columns, after being thoroughly and robustly educated on MOATS TV, were later he stated in his column that –
“Scottish people have been utterly deceived and lied to for 17 long bitter and utterly pointless years, and we all fell for it with such ease.”
That’ll be Kevin McKenna unionist vermin, boat blocking, brexit racist, sleekit Tory bigot, guest on Mr George Galloway’s MOATS [ Mother of all talk shows ] throw GG a tenner etc, blah blah, etc, and other spewed boaking bunkum.
Almost 6 million people watch MOATS TV btw not bad for a vermin filled Farage sucker, just like Celtic are old firm sucker sellouts and you pay for it like good doggies!
It has been a difficult time trying to tell folk that you’ve known virtually all of your lives that they were getting the piss ripped out of them to an unbelievable level – and they look at you as though you had just joined the Tory party!!!!
The krankie kult effect has absolutely ruined the us the good guys vs them the bad guys stuff, ah mean how can we claim to be good guys when we wanted to inflict all of this evil degenerate kultish kilted klan behaviour – as though it was normal behaviour?
Wanting folk banned because they refuse to join in with witch hunts against a guy or a lass speaking their minds, something that we have long lost. When is the last time that the board were scared of the power of Celtic fans for example?
Cliques have broken Timdom up into wee sweetie wife divisions full of wokery, cancel kulture, “take the vaxx or your a bad guy” said the media – and most of Timdom dance along to that narrative.
Yeah…https://x.com/ClareCraigPath/status/1846505553226346547
Stand your ground and you get called a right wing racist nazi who wants to stop boats!!!!
Well, it depends on who is in the boats does it not?
Virtue signalling – “look at me am a good guy ah want the whole of Africa to move to Scotland so that we can look like the Irish good guys!” ?????
And if somebody innocently says – “Oh thats good, good guy, how many are you taking in?”
Then you get called the worst vermin that ever breathed.
Just get your Fat jag Fatty!!!
“Oh look – he’s anti Fat people as well – ban him mod hurry up!!!!”
Comrades all my ass.
I think many footballers are ‘different beasts’ when they play their game; it used to be called ‘white line fever’.
Some lads are very problematic off the field; thinking about Gazza and Stokes.
Another player I’ve seen a few stories of recently was our supposed arch-villain arch-villain; Duncan Ferguson.
Working at Inverness for no wages, visiting folks in hospital, taking a young Toffee fan out for a meal if he promised to do well in school etc…
Most of us are a mix of good and not so much.
As for Naismith, I have nai idea.
. HOT SMOKED @10:15
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With you on this – it does feel different in a good way – no unpleasant ‘sting’. A top of the table clash with one, or, both destined to lose their 100% start to the league campaign.
If we play as we can we will be too powerful for them – but I’m happy to see Aberdeen on the up and I’m really looking forward to the game. HH
What have we learned over the last day or so…
For one we have among us those who bear a level of anImus towards, if not the greatest footballer of the last twenty years or so, then one of two, Christiano Ronaldo. A level of contempt I am not quite prepared to levy, against a player who despite forty being his next birthday, was defiant at not being awarded a corner in the 94th minute against Scotland last night, and having to accept a draw in his first ever appearance at Hampden. A player who played from start to finish in that game. That, for me, symbolises why he is one of the greatest players of all time. Every game matters to him. Every minute of every game! And lets not forget his consideration towards Celtic supporters in his own place in Lisbon not so long ago.
And his critics on here? Who are ye? Who are ye?
That’ll be Tommy ooohh aaaaahhq unionist vermin, boat blocking, brexit racist, sleekit Tory bigot, guest/phonein plant on Grifter Galloway’s MOATS [ Mother of all talk shoit ] throw GG a tenner etc, blah blah, etc, and other spewed boaking bunkum.
Ordinary racist your fellow gobbleteer is here,like you in one of his many guises,you omitted how grifter shared a stage with fascist farage,how very working class,up there with him voting tory
ORDINARY RACIST YOUR NOT STANDING ANY GROUND.YOU ARE A RACIST,SIMPLES AS.
WE RECALL YOUR ESSAY ON BROWN PEOPLE
ANAS SARWAR(LAB) AND HUMZA YUSEF(SNP)
AND BEING INVADED WAS PURE VILE RACISM.
NOTHING ELSE.
Long may your life be chaos,seek help,immigrants take nothing from you,but they are an easy out for how fried you and (dobwin)Tommy fae glasgow(grifters call plant are) and remember
Refugees are welcome
Racists are rats and not welcome at Celtic
Celticmac
No criticism here,and no truth in rumour Dom Peringnon was on the tray,Twas a good day :-))
HH
£20,000 and 2 year suspended away ticket ban
https://celtsarehere.com/uefa-celtics-handed-e20k-fine-and-suspended-away-day-ban/
Free Palestine as I feel that’s why we got fine.
Wonder if Dortmund got fined for pinning their
UEFA MAFIA to their ‘wall’
HH
An Tearmann
No names no packdrill Big Fellah!
https://disciplinary.uefa.com/
All of mafias disciplinary decisions today
HH
Ordinary Joe- No harm….but what the fuck you on about?
Seriously, I like a laugh, a wind up and have been known to talk shite as a laugh but by God….
D. :)
David66
He’s a full moon 🌚🌚🌚
PRESTONPANS BHOYS on 17TH OCTOBER 2024 12:17 AM
David66
He’s a full moon 🌚🌚🌚
*naw he’s 11 pence ha’penny
Favourite Uncle,
Check the email address again. I’ve not received yours.
gerryhartother@gmail.com
Paul67
Letting us know that Brendan is not 100% behind the clubs analytical strategy for signing players .
TT
Good Morning Fholk – Grand Day To Be A Tim
CELTIC40ME @ 2:09 PM,
“Regards data and analytics and making good choices, Tony Bloom and John Benham at Brebtfird who worked for Bloom both understand what’s needed for success at a football club. Their track records both prove that. And the most important position to get right is the head coach.
Success is relative of course, and Hearts will have a more limited choice than other clubs Bloom has worked with, but using analytics will get you nearer to the best decision than not using them. The final decision always needs to come from the person who’s neck is on the line though,
I’d expect his lack of success, when it comes, will be seen as proof that the boffins don’t know everything about the game, but while we argue about the use of technology the smart clubs are getting on with gaining whatever advantage they can”
Quite right…
Carl Jung talked about sensing people and intuitive people.
Sensing people like to rely on concrete information and make decisions based on that.
Intuitives seem to have a perception, that means their knowledge and creativity can not be easily understood by the systematyst
From my (amateur) experience those individuals perceive the world differently and by it’s very nature don’t easily accept the other’s point of view.
Peter Lawwell who is undoubtedly Celtic Royalty, always struck me as a sensor, his skill at understanding and ameliorating a balance sheet is phenomenal.
His liking and even dependency on the data and analytics seemed very apparent.
Yet maybe out of his comfort zone with intuits.
Intuitives of course tend to be more insightful and creative, when they look at things and make decisions it is often seen as a whim to the sensor.
In fact the career path and success in that field from the high function intuit means they have relied heavily on their “hunches” through the years, have honed that skill to deliver great achievements.
Of course, much to the sensor’s chargin, the intuit can’t fully explain nor document where this creativity and success comes from.
They may see Gurus or Egotists where there is just creativity and knowledge, so the systematyst is highly unlikely to sign-off on something they can neither fully comprehend nor dissect.
Sometimes you must just go with the intuits hunches, IF, they have great experience and a good track record at delivering results.
As always – there is a middle way and utilising different approaches to achieve results to me seems the way to go, certainly for Celtic who need an out~of~the~box approach to give them an edge on their peers.
Hail Hail
gerryhartother@gmail.com Email sent correctly this time.
The undernoted from the CQN article on yesterday’s decision handed down from UEFA
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The warning shot from Europe’s soccer rulers comes just one week ahead of match day three in Bergamo when Brendan Rodgers’ side take on Europa League winners Atalanta in Bergamo on Wednesday.
Celtic have issued a statement which reads: “The club has received the decision issued by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body following the match against Borussia Dortmund, in which the club has been sanctioned, again, for the lighting of fireworks by a small number of individuals attending the match.
“The decision provides that, not only has the club received a fine of €20,000, but also that, if such behaviour is repeated at a match in the next two years, the club will be prevented from selling tickets to supporters for one away match in UEFA club competitions.
“The club has been very clear, over a number of years, that the use of fireworks and pyrotechnics at matches is prohibited, and presents risks to supporter safety and to the club under the applicable regulations.
“It is hugely disappointing, therefore, that the conduct of a very small minority has led to this decision, which could potentially have such a negative and damaging impact on the team and Celtic supporters wishing to attend an away match to support the team.”
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The above statement from Celtic says all the right things and issues all the right warnings but what is actually being done? Suppressive and punitive action must be taken by the club to put a stop to this blight, because rest assured that if/when there is a death, or, serious injury due to this selfish stupidity, suppressive, punitive and draconian action will be visited on Celtic, not only by UEFA, but also by authorities and families of the injured in criminal and civil courts. The current punishment of a supporters ban suspended for two years is merely a shot across the bows and therefore one has to ask if UEFA itself is taking this seriously enough. The two year suspension of the ban may be quickly rendered meaningless dependant on what happens in Bergamo next week. HH
This quote “small number of individuals attending the match” have cost Celtic well over one million Euros in UEFA fines for a range of misdemeanors over the years. My feeling is that it would take a lot less than that figure to put a workable plan in place to eradicate what is now extant.
Good morning all from a 24 degree, soon to be 28 -30 degree Las Americas, Tenerife.
Good luck to the Womens team later today.
Me, I am getting dragged up to Costa Adeje this morning, well taxi up, walk back, as its mostly down hill coming back.
Taking my stick with this new knee.
Adios Amigos dos suen̈os màs or 2 more sleeps.
D. :)
So Mr T joins the A Team……
If flares etc. are banned from stadiums surely the person who sets them off is the guilty party.
fanadpatriot on 17th October 2024 10:08 am
If flares etc. are banned from stadiums surely the person who sets them off is the guilty party.
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Yip.
Find that person and sue them for the amount of the fine.
I suspect that might put a stop to it.
I dont see any solution other than lifting them, they are pushing the club to take drastic and permanent action, standing back and watching them with masks over their faces mean they dont want to identify themselves, if tickets are sold with conditions attached the purchaser must follow the conditions, how difficult is that for anyone to understand unless you have no intention of following any conditions of the sale.
And if every ticket has a name attached tracing those doing this is possible, if someone has passed their ticket to others involved in this, no more tickets
Dobwin/Tommy/JHB/CLOUD9/ANDRENA
Match attending Celtic fans-blight in your words,always have a higher moral stance than you,or any of the filaments of your schizophrenia.
that post on here.
You love your division,get that of the grifter you used to be a pho e in plant for? I will take any of that blight over poison sleekit rats like you post.
The pyro display and the PALESTINIAN protest are what the shite bags at UEFA are annoyed at,mixing politics and sport is not allowed say Ukrainian flag waving UEFA,,the irony was on the same night the whole of the wall had a tifo-UEFA MAFIA not one euro fine.
Multimoniker freak your tut tutting is at its peak,for one who does not attend matches your post is what is expected of the poison you are.
That minority you normally label green babies are match attending board meeting Celtic fans ,unlike you and no matter how sycophantically erudite you sound like your grifter hero,your a wrong yin.
Best your monikers get back to chasing boats and picking on societies weak,ok hun
as sure as eggs are eggs, there will be pyro at a ceuefa fixture .
huge risk of no support at villa..
and the huns will get a stand closed before endo fseason.
CHAIRBHOY on 17TH OCTOBER 2024 6:04 AM
I’ve got an amateur interest in Jung as well, he had some very revolutionary theories, a lot of which is still used today in psychology and therapy. He talked about 4 basic functions, thinking, feeling, sensing and intuition, not 2. And everyone used these functions to a greater or lesser degree – like his thinking about personality types where we all inhabit a place on an introversion/extraversion continuum. Labelling someone as a sensing person or an intuitive ignores that.
Im not sure what Jung would say about analysing someone in such a basic way when we have no experience of them personally and any opinion we have is based on the “fantasy” of the individual, made up from our conscious and unconscious minds. And if we arent conscious of our own unconscious biases we cant be expected to give a balanced reasonable analysis of other people’s.
Jung had some groundbreaking thoughts and theories, and much of it has stood the test of time, but he also had some ideas that were very much of his time. I have a friend who doesnt practice Jungian psychodynamic psychotherapy because she deosnt agree with his thoughts on the nazis.
It would have been fascinating to know his thoughts on AI, machine learning and consciousness, especially given his theory of the collective consciousness, but its impossible to know what he would have thought about the use of data and machine learning, especially in a business environment.
Why are you talking about Peter Lawwell again? Whats the relevance and what do you think Jung might have made of it?
CELTIC40ME @ 11:04 AM,
Well Peter Lawwell is our Chairman and was a previous CEO and has defined our recruitment approach.
First indications are we are re-focussing our recruitment somewhat spearheaded by the new guy, however haven’t had much of a chance to catch up.
Pity you can’t utilise your laser sharp Jungian perception on fholk who talk of Dunning–Kruger, the very hard of thinking, gurus egotists etc etc
Still my point was really on what Iain McGilchrist describes in his left brain, right brain hypothesis, rather than Jung’s personalities.
On the subject of AI, I’m reading Nexus at the moment, not really a Yuval Noah Harari fan but he’s convinced me (confirmation bias) that leaving things to the data and analytics guys might not be the smartest move.
Hail Hail
Had a great 3 days in Dortmund,apart from the result of course,in the company of my 19 year old grand-daughter on her first away game in Europe,the Celtic fans were magnificent and the interaction with Dortmund fans is what football supporters are all about.we had to pass thru 2 gates to gain entry and a body search where my half eaten bag of wine gums were confiscated,they were not gummies!….tickets were for the standing area and lo and behold i`m standing next to the guy waving the Palestine flag in the midst of the Green Brigade,they done their Pyro thing and advised us to cover our head and face in case of damage from the flares,given that i couldnt smuggle in a packet of wine gums how is it possible to gain entry with pyros,surely this is the responsibility of Borrussia in this instance. HH
CHAIRBHOY on 17TH OCTOBER 2024 11:32 AM
I havent read Nexus but I thought YNH’s talks about the dangers to humanity from AI rather than the use of it in making business decisions.
“Pity you can’t utilise your laser sharp Jungian perception on fholk who talk of Dunning–Kruger, the very hard of thinking, gurus egotists etc etc”
Peter Lawell and Paul67. Same old same old