The gambles putting Celtic and Newco where they are

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It is 3 years and 3 months since the previous time we met Newco in a League Cup Final.  Celtic were poor that day but still took home the trophy amid wastefulness in front of goal and one of the greatest goalkeeping displays I have ever seen.

Since then, Celtic have been completely transformed.  From that matchday squad, only Callum McGregor and James Forrest remain at the club (Mikey Johnston is out on loan).  We generated cash by selling players, scouted and recruited well, and now sit with a valuable player pool that is comfortably outperforming all others in Scotland.

Seven of the Newco team that lost in 2019 started against Celtic on Sunday, another two were on the bench.  Their squad development has been limited and mostly unable to force their way onto the field.  Four of their starting 11 on Sunday are not contracted beyond June, another two are in their final 18 months.

By contrast, none of Celtic’s starting 11 are out of contract this year and only the oldest two, Hart and Mooy, are out next year (they are also the only two in their 30s).  Everyone else has two, three or four years under contract.

Since 2019, one club in Glasgow went through the gamble of selling and buying, while another went through the gamble of inaction.  You could argue that both worked and failed by some measure.  Newco won their first title, Scottish Cup and reached a European final – a reward for retaining talent through their peak years.  But now they are a busted flush without resources to rebuild.  Celtic dropped one particularly important title, but the next generation, well as the last, is ours.

It might only have been the League Cup that was won and lost on Sunday, but the anguish across the city is indicative of a greater pain, that of structural disadvantage.  More on that soon.

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  1. the long wait is over on

    I don’t disagree with a word Paul67 says and consider these to be amongst the best days in my long Celtic supporting years but I will say this , even at the risk of sounding like a misery guts.

     

     

    Their ability to get to two European finals and get relatively close to winning the first ( just by being there) and perilously close to winning the second gives me the jitters.

     

     

    I get that they got there on a combination of unjustifiable and even illegal financial gambling (twice!) and horrible football but got there they did , over a period when our European success has been limited.

     

     

    We need to improve in Europe. With the current squad and AP in charge I’m more hopeful now than for a while that we can do so.

     

     

    It’s a double edged sword though – fail to do so and AP may get bored/ frustrated.

     

     

    Do so successfully and AP might be too hot to keep.

     

     

    Roll on the rest of this season and next and let’s enjoy having AP in charge as long as we can.

  2. I often feel that Susie Dent is deliberately trawing them huns with her words of the day

     

     

     

    Susie Dent

     

    @susie_dent

     

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    15 Feb

     

     

    Word of the day is a reminder of ‘ipsedixitism’ (16th century): the assertion that something is ‘fact’ because someone else said so.

     

     

    Jim Traynor says its the same Rangers

  3. Turkeybhoy

     

     

    I think Celtic’s biggest problem at the moment is naking sure all our players get game time… there’s always going to be good players not getting a game… Nice problem to have.

  4. TWIO,

     

     

    I concur fella. And to whet your appetite, a reminder that next season’s Europa League Final is in Dublin.

     

     

    Mmmmmmm as they say..

     

     

    HH

  5. TLWIO,

     

     

    I concur fella. And to whet your appetite, a reminder that next season’s Europa League Final is in Dublin.

     

     

    Mmmmmmm as they say..

     

     

    HH

  6. TLWIO

     

     

    One thing the huns were good at was getting players cheap or free and them doing well… but only for a season at the most.

     

    They have only recently sold any players for decent money and it’s unlikely that they have anyone in the team worth serious money.

     

    I never write them off, but unless they find a regular major input of money they are going to struggle.

     

    They may win an occasional cup but the fact that they spent hardly any money after getting into the CL is the most telling statement about their finances

  7. Re Huns buying their way out of trouble , they need to sell.

     

     

    Main challenge is their truly awful style of play which if you were scouting you’d be scratching your head as to what they are attempting.

     

     

    They’d fit a battling side trying to get out of the Championship, at best.

     

     

    From my awful near ground view at Hampden surrounded by excellent Celtic men , the height that Goldson can heave a football is very impressive but I suspect inversely proportional to usefulness to any watching suitors ; they are on the precipice of being totally gubbed ; and will need a game changer !

  8. TURKEYBHOY on 28TH FEBRUARY 2023 2:13 PM

     

    Deniabhoy,

     

     

     

    Why the negatives ?Ange has said,he is perfectly happy,and will surprise the SMSM,by how long he stays.Seems not good enough for you.FFS,some Celtic fans need to lighten up.Doom and gloom about what could happen in the future.Live for the moment.Enjoy it.Nothing last for ever.

     

     

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    I invite you to go back and read the post. I don’t think I was being negative. I said that talk of another Generation of Domination makes me nervous. It smacks of arrogance and it can all change very quickly. I said “IF” Ange goes then we enter a period of major uncertainty, we have seen it several times before.

     

     

    I clearly wrote “I think as fans, our job is to be present in the here and now and love this chapter in our history.”

     

     

    That is where I am at. Over confidence that the glorious present period will continue for the next 10 years is why we lost 10iar.

  9. the long wait is over on

    Yorkbhoy

     

     

    No argument on any of that from me.

     

     

    Just hope they don’t anti-football / cheat their way to a final for another 14 years or so and we can do something meaningful in Europe.

  10. TLWIO

     

     

    It poses a question.. would we be happy for Celtic to get to a European final playing hun type “football “?…

     

     

    Sitting on a Tuesday afternoon I would say no… but if we were in the quarter finals in The CL I may have a different view.

  11. the long wait is over on

    Yorkbhoy,

     

     

    Yep I would.

     

     

    It is , however and with all due respect, not a question we will ever actually have to answer as it simply isn’t in our DNA to play that way and never will be.

  12. Deniabhoy

     

     

    Generation of Domination is no more arrogant now than when Paul first coined the phrase imo.

     

     

    22 trophies in 11 years

     

    34 trophies in 19 years

     

     

    Whichever of these 2 you take it is the best in our history.

     

     

    The current financial and structural dynamics point toward another successful medium term period for Celtic……. Unless there is of course a major game changer unseen and just around the corner.

  13. Weebobbycollins on

    They truly are an aggressive, humourless lot, hence the scowling and baring of fangs when they score. And the way they skedaddled after picking up their losers medals showed an absolute lack of fair play and dignity.

     

    Kyogo and Hatate could never play for them as they smile far too much, Morelos and Kent are your typical grunting huns…

  14. WEEBOBBYCOLLINS on 28TH FEBRUARY 2023 3:56 PM

     

    They truly are an aggressive, humourless lot, hence the scowling and baring of fangs when they score. And the way they skedaddled after picking up their losers medals showed an absolute lack of fair play and dignity.

     

     

    Kyogo and Hatate could never play for them as they smile far too much, Morelos and Kent are your typical grunting huns…

     

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    Absolutely spot on!

     

    Even when they score they are raging and full of bile.

     

    Some of their own fans can’t stand being in and around them at games and say the atmosphere is toxic.

     

     

    A horrible lot and the quicker this version goes to the wall, the better.

  15. DENIABHOY

     

    Over confidence that the glorious present period will continue for the next 10 years is why we lost 10iar.

     

    So winning 10 titles in 11 years does not amount to domination?

     

     

    Dear oh dear.

  16. DENIABHOY

     

     

    And we lost tbe league in season 2020/21 because someone said in 2011 that we would win 10-in-a-row.

     

     

    How does that work?

  17. that twitter thread yesterday from some rangers fella.

     

     

    admitting its all shite and they are doomed to espanyolicationed was the most honest assessment of the state of play i ever seen from any of thems.

  18. i had a wee chatter with some fellas at the game on sunday, one is cracking up at Hatate for being to nice to the hun on the ground that he just hit.

     

     

    leaning over a sympathetic word, a pat on the head,

     

     

    i said for all wee no mate he is telling him in japanese your an ugly bastard and i am going to do you again.

     

     

    who knows.

     

     

    wee maeda who says nothing to them, but clatters into them every chance he gets.

  19. All I know is I have supported Celtic all my life, I’m 75 now and I could never imagine in my wildest dreams winning 11 Championships in 12 years not to mention the Cups, The Invincible Season The Trebles.

     

     

    None of us know what the future holds but why on earth worry about it,

     

    We skelped the Huns in a Cup Final, so we are entitled to a few silly days of just being happy & having a bit of craic.

     

     

    However in a couple of days it’s back to normal, we have big games on the Horizon, and the most important thing is to close out the League Title & win our automatic Euro spot.

  20. So its an early kick off on Friday at Ye old Shipbank.

     

     

    Mr BRRB at which time will you grace us with your presence sir?

     

     

    Big Jimmy what time we talking?

     

     

    D :)

  21. on another topic,

     

     

    did anyone witness the northern lights last few nights,

     

     

    i am desperate to see them just once in my lifetime,

     

     

    fella who works for me in swansea send me video from his place last night and seen them,

     

     

    sometimes its just no fair

  22. bigrailroadblues on

    David66

     

    12 onwards. There shall be a pre match warm up in McKinnons and the Tolbooth from 8am.

  23. SAINT STIVS

     

     

    I saw the Northern Lights from Portobello promenade on Sunday night. Met my missus at the Beach Bar when I got back from Hampden and had a terrific view of the amazing spectacle. I got a few great photos.

     

     

    Took my breath away to round off a special day.

  24. bigrailroadblues on 28th February 2023 8:22 am

     

     

    To Tony Rome, Carpe Diem plus a few other rascals; shall you be attending on Friday at the Shipbank?

     

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    Sorry J . I can’t make Friday afternoons although I would dearly like to.

     

     

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    A wee tune to play to any huns you might know. Listen to the lyrics.

     

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8aX_lyqeM4&ab_channel=TheBlackKeysBrazil

     

     

    BELMONT BRIAN

     

     

    Tell the drummer bhoy to listen to BIG PAT’S drumming.

     

     

    KEEP THE FAITH

  25. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Tom Mc..,

     

    I understood Deniabhoy’s concern is that we do not fall into hubris, I expect he appreciates all the achievements we have made over the years as much as you and is loving it but hubris is something we can do without.

  26. Beale’s decision to indulge in ‘mind games’ was remarkably foolish. The events on Sunday afternoon established that beyond doubt.

     

    That said, his post-match TV interview was surprisingly candid. He, more or less, admitted that his team had been second best throughout. When questioned on his side’s second half ‘revival’, he said, ‘We huffed and puffed a bit but that was it.’ Unexpected.

  27. Rangers fans are always claiming to be the world’s most successful club by virtue of them having won more trophies than any other club.

     

     

    Notwithstanding the fact that they are only 11 years in existence and going by their logic, if we count the dead club, they have 3 more trophies than Celtic. We win the league this season as expected, it’s down to 2. Win the treble and it’s only 1 behind. Next season could see Celtic overtake them as the world’s most successful club.

     

     

    Obviously we as a support wouldn’t be so naive as to make such spurious claims – except to wind up the huns of course.

  28. St Stivs

     

    Northern lights appeared across the Clyde from Greenock and Gourock on Sunday night, I wish I had been down there as I have never seen them in my puff. The pictures my pals sent are wonderful- the lights are bright Green

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