I see several “fans’ groups” are engaged on the subject of our old friend, Juninho, who played around 13 games for Celtic eight years ago and benefited from an Employee Benefit Trust before and during his time at the club.
Can you believe this is where their focus is?
As Sir David Murray and a gaggle of his former directors will tell you, there is nothing illegal in EBTs, it’s the undeclared second contracts the football authorities have a problem with. Juninho’s EBT was not subject to any contract or side letter whatsoever. Moreover, our then chairman, Brian Quinn, regarded EBTs with suspicion and instructed the club to declare Juninho’s to the Revenue. Celtic even paid tax on money paid to the EBT.
The SFA and SPL, and every journalist in Scotland interested in getting a story right, are fully aware of the facts.
I suppose running with this beats looking at links between Green and Whyte. Keep up the good work, guys!
And for the record, stripping titles is not the ultimate sanction, not by the length of Argyle St.
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Tooting Tim
Many thanks for the info. Looks like the Cock Tavern at Euston is the safe bet. I have seen it mentioned on here on many occasions but have usually watched games such as Wednesday’s from behind the safety of my own lounge sofa!
CRC,
if you’re about mate thanks for earlier txt:)
Just emailed you re saltires en sevilla email.
Thanks
garcia lorca,
You must be very familiar with the back of the sofa then:)
Miki67 @13.39, luv the statement about the hoverpitch of yore!
It sums up the fantasy world where the huns and their MSM cohorts live.
Regarding the huns attendance tomorrow it doesn’t really matter if they pack the stadium to the rafters tomorrow night, they wont still be there in 10 weeks time. Regardless of what Shug and the MSM say.
As Murray hops around like a Kangaroo with the heebie-jeebies…Traynor sticks his head out of the lickspittle pouch to hiss his support of Sir Moonbeams…but what of Chico, where is he? Why is he sitting like an undelivered second contract at the bottom of an old mail bag? Come on Chico gives us your take from inside the darkness of the Murray marsupium like a newly wakened wombat…a marsupial needs to know what side of the pouch he’s on.
Afternoon Bhoys! After watching izzy make his come back at the end of last season and performances up till now is anyone else as concerned as I with his form? I remember him from his player of the year season as a swashbuckling left back but have seen nothing from him for quite sometime. In the last two games the opposition attacks have mainly come from his side and we seem to get caught out when him and Sammy are on the same side. As an attacking full back driving up the left flank I love him but when defending said flank he can give us some heart in mouth moments.
With the biggest game of the season on the horizon do you think we should play the wee man when he seems low on confidence and teams are getting at us at will down that side?
HH
JossyBhoy67 on 6 August, 2012 at 14:24 said:
Afternoon Bhoys! After watching izzy make his come back at the end of last season and performances up till now is anyone else as concerned as I with his form?
No.
I’m concerned when we play Samaras in front of him.
kdc
Regarding the 35000 season books, I see 3 possible explanations.
1. its really 3500 and somebody misread it and its grown wings
2. Its £35000 they’ve brought in meaning they’ve sold about a thousand tickets
3. The laptop loyal and FF, Sevcomedia etc are all fantasists
SonsOfErin on 6 August, 2012 at 13:43 said:
Yup a house divided against itself cannot stand, and a house with the bearing walls pulling in opposite directions is bound to collapse.
Re- Huns season ticket sales.. Can you visit their website and see what seats are available similar to the Celtic site?
tootingtim , met you once and you know me already ?!
Enjoy Helsinki , stay safe and I’ll see you for the next round .
Sanna
We all know about Rangers lack of contrition with regard to ebts and not paying tax to pay players but there is another area where lack of contrition and determination to keep getting it wrong is at play and that is how they intend to run “The Rangers” as a football business.
The template for doing so is already there at Celtic, scout out young talent wherever it can be found home or abroad and develop it.
Give it a chance at first team football,in Europe if possible, and then when the numbnuts with more money than sense want to buy them charge what they are clearly worth. One £10M xfer a season is worth more than the pursuit of CL money that is at the best unpredictable and costly to achieve..
If CG wants to get Rangers supporters back on board he has to offer them something other than the same stuff that liquidated them. I see no sign of that whatsoever, no sign of revamping their football operation to run if not profitably certainly not unsustainably..
Some Rangers supporters have been living off financial doping for so long they cannot recognise the addiction and simply crave more. This could apply to some of the laptop loyal too.
What business model did CG sell to the SFA and what was the player wage structure in it?
wonkyradar on 6 August, 2012 at 13:38 said:
AndyCameron@bluenosehaddy#What is the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion?#The jail walls
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Andy needs new patter:
Denis Healey said that years ago
Former British Chancellor of the Exchequer Denis Healey said:
“The difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion is the thickness of a prison wall”.
Saltires,
not sure the numbers will be as high as you think .
They were still advertising on the big screens on saturday.
It will be tiring though staying awake from getting up for work on Tuesday morn till hitting the sack on Thursday morn
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 6 August, 2012 at 13:40 said
Aye. Pity Martin Bain who was in a position at the SFA to know what ebts were told his pa to shred the letter about ebt use.
Kind of blows the “we didnae know” defense to shreds intit?
I take a completely contrary view to those advocating the Club should comment on Juninho’s EBT.
If the SFA and/or SPL have any query with the issue they should ask Celtic and Celtic should answer them.
Pandering to crackpot’s and cranks on the likes of Follow Follow and even less credible sites (I understand they do exist) by responding to their made up dung is the road to madness in my view.
SwanseaBhoy
Absolutely. Couldn’t agree more.
Any other rumour or chinese whisper from the darkside, if not commented on or denied by Celtic FC, it would then be assumed to be true.
Say nothing now until required to by the SFA/SPL.
Their is another way to let the truth be know.
Use a trusted website/blog, one with whom the board is familiar with, to pass information to the fans if it feels necessary to do so.
Anyone know of good one to use? FF is defo out!
SPF
Celticbhoy – Andy’s jokes were fresh when Denis Healey was in government. (thumbsup)
Celtic_Cross on 6 August, 2012 at 14:37 said:
Yes the guy I spoke to said there were a few tickets left.
that’s shift and a half .. a few large ones before flight and a 90 mins power nap and ye’ll be brand new :-)
HH
I Thought that the SFA or SPL or whatever bunch of eejits was in charge at that time had already asked all clubs to declare whether they had operated with Dual contracts / EBT’s etc.
If this was the case, then it would have undoubtedly come out that we had a case to answer.
Say nothing, until we are asked by someone with a right to ask.
TFPLG has said at his press conference ahead of this week’s biggest game (copyright DR) that there were no dual contracts and the EBTs investigation is a waste of time.
So there you go, nothing to see here you internet bampots!!
re Andy Cameron.
His funniest routine ever was him trying to defend the “we are still rangers” mantra on Off the Ball last satruday.
Cosgrove really tore him a new one.
we are still rangers, who says ebts are illegal, nopt guilty of anything, cant strip us of titles, we are still the same club.
booo hooo booo hooo
ST for Ibrox cannot be bought online therefore impossible to say how many have been sold. Below is how to pay. No need for us to report “cash only” rumours . Thems do enough that is wrong without us creating any.
“Fans can choose to pay by:
• Cash
• Cheque
• Debit/Credit card in either one instalment or spread over 4 monthly instalments. If paying by instalments the first of these will be taken on or around Tuesday 7 August, with subsequent payments being taken on or around 31 August, 28 September and 31 October”
See,it’s not the ebt’s per se. It’s the undeclared backhander stylee shenanigans. It’s not the amounts….it’s the non-tax,non p.a.y.e.,total rip-offs of all and sundry. It’s the murderous orc rabble lead off by the sleekit psycho sally. It’s the continuing lies. It’s the criminal activities lurking in the background like the spectre at the feast.
It’s about justice and restitution.
That’s for you : the lurking stupid hun bams. Hell mend yez.
ScotPatsFan on 6 August, 2012 at 14:45 said:
‘I take a completely contrary view to those advocating the Club should comment on Juninho’s EBT.’
Who actually knows the truth about Juninho’s tax situation?
Is this article just more idle, uninformed speculation?
Alex McLeish says stripping of titles a non starter. EBTs – had lawyers look at the contracts at time – no cloak&dagger stuff.
Mark Benstead
Off subject Bhoys and Ghirls but
Well done Katie Taylor!!!!
In case anybody doesn’t know Katie, is Ireland’s number 1 medal hope at the olympics and indeed the girl from Bray, Co. Wicklow has just won the quarter final of the women’s boxing, with a VERY impressive display
She carried the Irish Tricolour on the opening night and has done the country proud
Katie Taylor ABU
Jungle Jim on 6 August, 2012 at 14:55 said:
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Fair enough…….but Weds. game/match/travesty of football/mockery of integrity is definitely,unequivocally cash only.
What are Sevco’s banking facilities then,exactly? They are apparently not anything the ‘normal’ human would find acceptable.
Surely,surely,at least the sleekit sally would demand to know the answer to this most crucial of questions? Surely the wunnerful msm could tell us,being privy to the Sevco sanctum sanctorum.
Pax vobiscum.
HH !
Kayal33 on 6 August, 2012 at 15:00 said:
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He had rubbish lawyers then…
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NEIL LENNON today refused to pin any blame on the SFA for the very late notification that Charlie Mulgrew was suspended for Saturday’s opening SPL game against Aberdeen.
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The Parkhead club only found out on Friday afternoon that the defender had to sit out the match as a punish-ment for receiving a red card in the pre-season friendly against Ajax in Amsterdam on July 21.
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Scotland’s Player of the Year was sent off by Dutch ref Bas Nijhuis for deliberately using a hand to stop a shot from crossing the goal-line.
Celtic made enquiries before leaving Holland the following day to establish if the red card would be reported to SFA, and were assured this would not be happening because it was such a minor offence, and not serious foul play.
However, on Friday, the Dutch FA decided to inform the SFA of the offence, and an automatic ban for the first competitive domestic game kicked in.
Lennon was astonished when the SFA – whose list of suspensions was issued to all clubs on Thursday without Mulgrew’s name being included – got in touch with Celtic to tell them the player must serve the ban in the match against Aberdeen – less than 24 hours later.
By that time, Celtic had completed their prepara-tions for the match, including their set-piece drills, with the defender heavily involved.
Lennon accepts that the SFA were not at fault for the eleventh-hour decision to ban the player.
He said: “To be fair to the SFA, they did not receive any notification from the Dutch FA until Friday afternoon, so I attach no blame to the SFA on that one at all.
“We were under the impression that the referee was not going to report it and that it would have been waved away.
“That’s what we were told after the game against Ajax.
“But, then, after having done our preparations for the game against Aberdeen, on Friday afternoon we were told Charlie was suspended.”
ernie lynch on 6 August, 2012 at 14:59 said:
back to your usual m.o., ask the question without having the guts to make a statement about what you actually mean. say what you mean instead of dressing up your accusations in a way that wont come back to you when you are proved wrong.
not that it’ll make a blind bit of difference to someone who will never accept they are wrong but its neither idle nor poorly informed.
ernie lynch on 6 August, 2012 at 14:59
Speculation it may or may not be but “idle and uninformed” I doubt very much.
UEFA is investigating evidence that suggests a Europa League match was fixed last month.
UEFA says its betting fraud monitoring system “has detected suspicious betting patterns” in Albanian club Tirana’s 5-0 loss against Aalesund of Norway.
European football’s governing body says it has “mandated a disciplinary inspector to further investigate the matter.”
Norway’s football association has said it was alerted by the national lottery, which stopped taking bets when the score reached 2-0 in the second-leg match of the second qualifying round on July 26.
Lottery officials reported unusual betting patterns from undisclosed Asian countries, including wagers that the game would end 5-0.
Aalesund, which scored four times in the second half, advanced 6-1 on aggregate.
Is there a name for the weariness I feel surrounding the ‘The Rangers’, Oldco, Sevco, Lodgeco??????
It’s brought on by the long periods of media manipulation. It happens in every aspect of public life – a viewpoint is pushed, it forces itself to become the dominant narrative. Those who see past it to the truth or a better alternative are shouted down as fanatics, loonatics, bigots. When they are proved right a new narrative is developed to twist the newly proved truth. This is aimed at wearing out those who would dissent from the version of events being pushed by the financially or power dominant groups.
For example: People discover Rangers Oldco are in big trouble with tax man and bank. Massive public campaign put in motion to counter the claim. But of course, because it’s true the campaign of denial is bound to come to an end when the facts become undeniable. A brief period of elation is enjoyed by the group who exposed the issue. No matter, the dominant group changes the tack of it’s lies and obfuscation. The group with the truth feal a little demoralised but continue to tell the truth. And here’s the crux – the dominant group, knowing that the majority of people will take headlines and news at face value have still ‘won’ in their own eyes because most people except those with an interest will lazily accept their changed narrative.
Activists will get a little more demoralised that people can’t be bothered or don’t want to face the truth.
And so it goes on.
The only things to sustain the groups who want truth are comradeship of like minded people and a conviction for truth and fairness. But in the midst of a battle against those with greater resources it’s easy to give up.
REgarding the lack of contrition shown by rangers people it is hard for football to move on. They are showing no signs of change. THat indicates to me that either they are genuinely blind to the lessons of the past OR the Newco is, for Green and whoever his backers are, a short term project. They just don’t care, their fans are rotten and I’m fed up with it today. I’m fed up with them and their arrogance.
TiredCSC
Jungle Jim on 6 August, 2012 at 14:55 said
Cheers JJ
The Orc’s should heed and hark every warning. Healey’s words should have been enough. “Don’t let a thief into your house three times. The first time was enough. The second time was a chance. The third time means you’re stupid.”
The future warns us through present problems, that should be our presentiment. Good things make you blind. Bad things happen when you think your home and free. The hordes should have taken warning from the moonbeams pipe dream. They have no one to blame but themselves and when it happens again who will they find to blame? “A hot lust for glory, gems, gold or mates,
Leads reckless young drakes to the blackest of fates.”
“And on the pedestal these words appear:
‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!’
Nothing beside remains.
Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
― Percy Bysshe Shelley, Ozymandias
From now on I will refer to TFPLG as “chumley” (pawn stars) :)))
Thats all :)) till later
HAIL HAIL
Miki67
Did you use StreamPro to watch the Helsinki game last Wed night?
SPF
RobertTressell on 6 August, 2012 at 15:23 said:
Is there a name for the weariness I feel surrounding the ‘The Rangers’, Oldco, Sevco, Lodgeco??????
>>>>>>>>
Aye,there is : torpor. Like what you get in 100 degree weather,with 100% humidity. The hothouse of corrupt Scottish fitba’.
And…..the moral turpitude of the rotten rankers ranks of rats.
AlliterativeCelts CSC