It was curious that Peter Lawwell was quizzed on potentially having a conflict of interest in deciding if a recent multiple-convict would be regarded by the SFA as Fit and Proper to direct a football club. The club in question are not even in our league; conflict exists only in the heads of those who persist in believing in a ‘Firm which expired on the liquidation of one party.
I’ve avoided the appropriateness of a recent convict directing a football club as the deciding matters appear overwhelmingly obvious. There are no written rules on being Fit and Proper, largely due to the Mahatma Gandhi question posed by Neil Doncaster last year. Gandhi was a convict, but one of impeccable character. The contemporaneous character references are all important. The SFA will also be chastened by recent experiences.
My guess is that in the unlikely event the Nomads acquiesce, Peter Lawwell’s views will be immaterial. “Nobody likes us, we don’t care” has nothing to do with it, just find someone Fit and Proper!
Delighted that Aberdeen’s quest for silverware survived Fir Park last night. This club have underachieved for around 20 years now but Derek McInnes stands a reasonable chance of delivering second place in the league, as well as the League Cup.
Not so delighted at Hibs capitulation. Despite playing like Brazil in the 1970 World Cup for the first 15 minutes of their home tie against Hearts last night they were soon out-muscled, with more than a few players looking miles out of their depth. There is no compensation for Scottish football in Hearts progressing to the semi-finals. They are mid-crisis and will remain so, irrespective of how they perform in cup competitions, but the absence of Hibernian from the genuine challengers is a regret.
Morton went down to a late St Johnstone goal. They have now lost five and drawn one of their six games since winning at Celtic Park, their only victory since August…..
With this in mind, I’ll refrain from referring to the potential advantage of having a Cup Final at ‘home’ until we have earned the right to be there.
Dreadful news of Fernando Ricksen. I hope he finds strength from those close to him in the years ahead.
The new CQN Annual is looking great, really delighted with it. Thank you to everyone who has participated in the project. You can pre-order below:
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Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo
14:17 on
31 October, 2013..
Its looking like I will start contributing again once we get the invite to another league unless we are only waiting for the return of Rangers to the top league before getting the invite. That is what the ECA want and they get what they wanted for.
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Do you Not need to Start..Before You stop..and Why do You need to tell People you won’t Support Celtic FC when it is Pretty Obvious you don’t..l don’t get it..?
Most people know You don’t go to games and refuse to buy Merchandise so why keep telling Us..
Summa
tnt
Good post!
Not like ye!
8-)
TnT,
Agreed, if we leave before we clean up dodge, they have won.
twists n turns
Totally agree. Great post!
LB
Summa,
The mind boggles.
winningemmell,
Your post fair put a smile on my face. It took me back to a lot of fond memory’s.Hail Hail
I am puzzled by the reported S.F.A. concern over Peter Lawwell’s attitude to the issue of the ‘Ibrox fraudster’ being a ‘fit and proper person’.Are they worried that there is a ‘conflict of interest’ that would encourage our Chief Executive to be FOR the fraudster or AGAINST ?
I t would be great if the S.F..A. in their usual transparent way, would explain their concerns on this matter or even let us know why they think that there may be any ‘conflict of interest’ at all.
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Geordie..
What Does it Boggle about..?
Summa
We want a level playing field in Scotland that is a fair enough wish.However,in my opinion in the last 50 years or so that I have been supporting Celtic we have never had it so why is it likely to change now because of a resolution that is being put to our board ? now the word gullible has been thrown into the arena by one poster.My question would be who is gullible ? a) the supporters who are happy with the job being done by Peter and the Board SPL league Champions. Champions League place probably the most cash we have ever had as a club and the best young team for many years with the best young manager possibly in the U.K. or b) Those who believe they can change the face of Scottish fooball nae change the face of Scottish culture and sit down and break bread with the Masonic blue noses and get them to accept after years of being the peepil we deserve and should have a level playing field.I leave the readers to decide who is Gullible ? H.H.
RobertTressell
Re. Elvis Costello
May be adding grist to your mill wrt how much he annoys you but there was a great documentary on Stiff records a couple of years ago, on BBC4 I think , which had a section on the UK tours Stiff used to do; bringing a few bands round at the same time. The view on the show was that Elvis C saw himself as the top billing but as the gigs went along it became clear that Ian Dury and the Blockheads were the star turn the crounds wanted to see. Great programme – they had some bands on their books
Rumours sweeping auld reekie that Mowbray will be the next manager of Hibernian.
LB
Joe
“so why is it likely to change now because of a resolution that is being put to our board”
It’s not guaranteed to change anything, what it may be is the catalyst for Celtic FC to recognise that indeed their shareholders will no longer sit idly by and accept the very scenario you describe.
To conquer Everest’s last few feet you still need to climb the first few.
Maybe it all seems a bit pointless to you for historical reasons, but history changes constantly. Some changes take longer than others. Look to Alabama in the 1930’s. Someone has to take up the fight.
The alternative? Run away?
Shoulder2shoulder – sorry work getting in the way.
I’m assuming the arrest is for some breach of the Offensive Behaviour act but I hadn’t seen that stated.
Are the other 5 on remand or actually sentenced?
Some have suggested over recent months that Canamalar’s resolution will be voted down by ‘the bored’, so his efforts have been in vain.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Yes, the board will almost certainly reject the resolution,..but that won’t matter.
The genie will be out of the bottle & the cat will already be amongst the pigeons.
Celtic rejecting Resolution 12 will only serve to make the issue headlines.
The job will be well & truly done. Canamalar will have succeeded in having the spotlight firmly fixed on the real problem, Scotland’s inept ( & that is being kind) football governors.
This resolution has NOTHING to do with Celtic or its board.
They have no case to answer.
if it ain’t stiff it ain’t worth a ****
i think thats how the slogan went
JFH,
There are tools never before available, UEFA have and are changing the face of football, as far as I’m concerned we have to at least try. You are welcome to wallow in defeatism and resign yourself to being a second class citizen, I’m no that way inclined.
We’d still be sending children down the mines if everyone had your attitude.
Coneybhoy
The Attractions and the Blockheads took turns at headlining and the gist of the talk from all on the programme was that by trying to outdo each other every night, both bands reached great levels of performance and the audience went home happy with both. A great double bill (but not forgetting Wreckless Eric et al).
Now, Graham Parker and the Rumour and Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes. That would be a great double bill. I’d pay £1.65 to see them at the ole Appollo. And I know a man who did.
Philbhoy @ 14.56- is that not copyright B.Bacharach and H.David?
Winninggemmell smashing yarn.
Paul67 Christmas book bought.
Please support the Celtic Trust e-mail campaign against this rotten Act and contact your MSP get a meeting about axing the act.
They hate it when you hold them to account so do it for spite if nothing else if you have and SNP MSP so much the better as they have to defend the rotten Act though most would privately admit it stinks.
the stranglers nailed walk on by better than anyone
IMO of course
Philbhoy – Bring it on!!!!
14:56 on 31 October, 2013
I prefer Walk on By by Leroy van Dyke – Virgil’s uncle.
Joe Fillips Haircut……
Speak for yourself. They were never my master. We won the first war and now they’re back for more and this time in a tribute guise that wouldn’t leave much to the imagination.
We conquered them when they had everyone and everything in their pockets.
What do you think we might do to them this time round?
Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius?
Not at all, throw the dog a bone :-)
Speaking of music
Off to see Nick Cave
Hope you all get your Nuts
Love
SOAL
hope your seeds aren’t all bad
Billy Bhoy (strange)
If as u say “we dnt know”,then y should my post be removed…CENSORSHIP!!!! as another poster said “whatever happenned to innocent until proven guilty” ?? Oh I forgot that only comes into play if not Catholic…”potential mass murderers” unbelievable mo chara…have u not lived thru and experienced the same anti-catholic bias as I have in this country (more or less) especially towards Republicanism ?? So u wish to silence me on the grounds of …..”we dnt know”?? Attention has to b brought to this otherwise INNOCENT guys and ghirls have their lives destroyed….but that’s ok by you as “we dnt know”!!! I’m totally disgusted by your attitude BILLYBHOY,,,that says it all for me !!
FREE THE 6 !!! FREE THE 6!!!
UTLR !!
TSOAL- wee Kylie featurin’ at any stage?
-or you should be so lucky?
You Bhoys are still living in the dark ages arguing amongst yourself for a level playing field in Scotland so lets against common sense accept that we get this level playing field which allows us to go to places like Perth and Inverness at all sorts of strange times.With our current squad nine times out of ten we would accept that it will be an away win on a cold dreich day.Or we can have a much bigger vision where you get a flight out to say Paris or Milan where we can drink a glass of wine in the sunshine and discuss our chances with that afternoons league game against Paris St.Germain or AC Milan.Why try to stop the tide ? let the peepil wallow in there self made filth leave Scottish football to them.Support Peter and the Board in finding a way out of this masonic controlled country .With cheap flights Europe is a much smaller place lift your vision from the gutter that is Scottish football and let the Board know like them you have a bigger vision for Celtic.H.H.
shoulder2shoulder
13:59 on
31 October, 2013
Another young man arrested and facing court today !! 5 comrades allready in bar-l and cornton vale !!
FREE THE 6 !!!!
UTLR
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Who are theses 6, and what are their alleged offences? What does UTLR stand for?
Summa,
It was my half baked way of saying I agree wit cha. :)
Foxy. I dont know where I ever said they were your master ? H.H.
Reply to DBBIA@11.21– Please scroll by if uninterested in 19th Century US Politics.
“SFTB- it’s a very long book and iI was just trying to pick out one or two of the features that I had been unaware of.
I would argue your point that Lincoln was not strongly anti -slavery.”
That’s not quite what I said though. My quote was that “Lincoln was not one of the strong anti-slavery proponents within that party.”.
The Republican Party was formed just 6 years before Lincoln’s election and its slogan was “Free Soil, Free Labour, Free Men”
There were Abolitionist zealots like John Brown and William Garrison who hitched their political hopes to the republican party who were much more anti-slavery. On the abolitionist wing of the republican Party, Salmon Chase (who had an uncle called Bishop Philander Chase- too good a name to leave unmentioned, even though it is irrelevant to our discussion), Charles Sumner and Thaddeus Stevens were much bigger abolitionists than Lincoln. Chase was the more prominent political figure but does nor appear in Spielberg’s film though the other two are with most prominence given to the more minor figure of Stevens.
Republicans were avowedly opposed to slavery but, saw it as being as much an economic hindrance as a moral wrong, especially the more pragmatic Republicans like Seward and Lincoln, who had not aligned themselves too closely with the Abolitionist movement as it was seen as radical and unstable. Lincoln wished to end slavery because it was inefficient and undermined the free labor principle as much or more so than because it was a moral wrong. Both Seward and Lincoln believed that slavery was doomed by long-term historical trends and did not favour ending it by coercion or war.
Neither did Abe much look forward to a life with free slaves amongst his community and he favoured repatriation to Africa, Liberia in particular, as his solution to reducing racial tensions.
I would not judge Lincoln too harshly by the more enlightened moral standards of our times, but he was, primarily, an advocate of big business,manifest destiny, hired labour and a freer (in liberal economic terms) society, rather than a strong Abilitionist. The Emancipation Proclamation largely came about as an attempt to further destabilise the South during the war than to proclaim equal rights for African Americans. Nonetheless, despite the motivation, it was a good thing.
The Democratic party which Andrew Jackson forged was a proponent of support for small farmers, working men and trades unions. There was still a broad left:right split which cut across the racial politics before the slave states destroyed all that and added a geographical layer to the process.
So I think it is fair to say that though Lincoln was opposed to slavery it was not a strong motivation. It was, at times, incidental to his main thrust. He was certainly not pro-slaves rights and did not favour integration. There were other republicans of his times who were more advanced in their moral thinking than he was.
But none of them was as electable as Honest Abe was and none of them were as capable of writing a good short speech as he was. Whatever merit the Republican Party had as a moral force from 1854 to 1865 was destroyed fairly quickly after his death when they became a party of carpet-bagger reconstructionists, Robber Barons, Manifest Destiny imperialists and colonialists, and purveyors of stupendous levels of government corruption run by a patsy president, U.S. Grant- the Ronald Reagan of his day.
The very interesting figure of Teddy Roosevelt tried to clean up their party but they kicked him out.
A few Lincoln quotes to back me up:-
“My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.”
“I do not wish to be misunderstood upon this subject of slavery in this country. I suppose it may long exist, and perhaps the best way for it to come to an end peaceably is for it to exist for a length of time. But I say that the spread and strengthening and perpetuation of it is an entirely different proposition. There we should in every way resist it as a wrong, treating it as a wrong, with the fixed idea that it must and will come to an end.”
“I think slavery is wrong, morally, and politically. I desire that it should be no further spread in these United States, and I should not object if it should gradually terminate in the whole Union.”
“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
“We think slavery a great moral wrong, and while we do not claim the right to touch it where it exists, we wish to treat it as a wrong in the territories, where our votes will reach it.”
WEEMINGER
They have been charged with conspiracy to murder and charged under the terrorism act…5 remanded yesterday (4 guys 1 girl) another guy arrested yesterday,dnt know status on that yet mo chara….police stating connection to dissident Republicanism !
FREE THE 6!!!
UTLR !
Pogmathonyahun aka Laird of the Smiles
14:42 on
31 October, 2013
:) Heard Frankie Boyle purchased his waxwork from Tussaud’s for same purpose.
Shoulder2shoulder – ok I’ve figured out what the story is.
I’m not a fan of the remand process in general but on the other hand (and I speak in general terms here, not this specific case) I’m open to the idea that some people charged with violent or sexual crimes shouldn’t be released into the community pending trial.
To turn this on it’s head slightly, I take you’d be happy for these people to be back on the streets if they’d had links to Loyalist groups and were thought to be plotting attacks on Catholics.
Spirit of Arthur Lee – he’s onstage at 9.
Twists
personally I have never wanted Celtic to leave the Scottish set up. Not for any European league, nor for England. Even if invited I’d rather not move.
I have no desire for Celtic to move to England, but a European league would do for me. If things remain as they are I can see Celtic falling behind the bigger euro teams and unfotunately facing no serious challenge at home.
shuolder2 shoulder- just curious,what,s with the capital letters? Hail Hail Hebcelt
sorry shoulder2 shoulder-typo