It was curious that Peter Lawwell was quizzed on potentially having a conflict of interest in deciding if a recent multiple-convict would be regarded by the SFA as Fit and Proper to direct a football club. The club in question are not even in our league; conflict exists only in the heads of those who persist in believing in a ‘Firm which expired on the liquidation of one party.
I’ve avoided the appropriateness of a recent convict directing a football club as the deciding matters appear overwhelmingly obvious. There are no written rules on being Fit and Proper, largely due to the Mahatma Gandhi question posed by Neil Doncaster last year. Gandhi was a convict, but one of impeccable character. The contemporaneous character references are all important. The SFA will also be chastened by recent experiences.
My guess is that in the unlikely event the Nomads acquiesce, Peter Lawwell’s views will be immaterial. “Nobody likes us, we don’t care” has nothing to do with it, just find someone Fit and Proper!
Delighted that Aberdeen’s quest for silverware survived Fir Park last night. This club have underachieved for around 20 years now but Derek McInnes stands a reasonable chance of delivering second place in the league, as well as the League Cup.
Not so delighted at Hibs capitulation. Despite playing like Brazil in the 1970 World Cup for the first 15 minutes of their home tie against Hearts last night they were soon out-muscled, with more than a few players looking miles out of their depth. There is no compensation for Scottish football in Hearts progressing to the semi-finals. They are mid-crisis and will remain so, irrespective of how they perform in cup competitions, but the absence of Hibernian from the genuine challengers is a regret.
Morton went down to a late St Johnstone goal. They have now lost five and drawn one of their six games since winning at Celtic Park, their only victory since August…..
With this in mind, I’ll refrain from referring to the potential advantage of having a Cup Final at ‘home’ until we have earned the right to be there.
Dreadful news of Fernando Ricksen. I hope he finds strength from those close to him in the years ahead.
The new CQN Annual is looking great, really delighted with it. Thank you to everyone who has participated in the project. You can pre-order below:
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UNTIL THE LAST REBEL !
Neil Canalamar. Can you give me examples of where UEFA are changing the face of European football ? H.H.
JFH,
Jam tomorrow is getting tiresome, taking the game out of the reach of the majority of the support is no something I want to see. Aye you and the board and probably quite a few more who can afford it would probably love to go glory hunting all over Europe and ditching those less well off.
No something I’d subscribe to.
Shoulder2shoulder
I mentioned a few weeks ago on here about the religious discrimination and at times persecution my Father and our family experienced, particularly with regards to employment..No unemployment. Still see it to this day.
The point I was trying to make, maybe unsuccessfully, was that we don’t know what they were lifted for. I don’t know but with the over the top cavalcade of a dozen cop cars taking them to court we can take an educated guess that it was more than a wee bit of singing….And for all I know those arrested were maybe planning some terrible atrocity. I don’t know…that’s all I meant to say: let’s wait and see what it’s about before we start leaping to their defence
JFH,
The FFP and CFCB are two major new additions that are being tested
Celtic will only get better in Europe the more they play in it. Stay in Scotland.
There are no viable options available anyway.
A European league for all countries is a mere decade or two away. Remain patient and keep doing what we are doing. We will be involved no doubt about that. European players salivate at the thought of playing at our ground. We have one of the best atmosphere’s and arena’s in Europe and it will only get better as will the team.
Patience is the key. I want to beat old Rangers league title haul anyway before we depart.
LB
Big Nan (and Morrisey 23)
I linked the FAC e-mail via the Celtic Trust and got this reply from Patrick Harvie fairly quickly:-
“Thanks for your email. I voted against the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act, having unsuccessfully tried to persuade the Government to accept amendments to address some of its most serious flaws. Since it became law I have repeatedly called for an early review. I continue to believe that its existence risks making the problems which arise from some football matches, including Old Firm hostility, worse rather than better.
Since the Act was passed, I have asked a number of written questions on this issue, some of which you can see here:
http://goo.gl/rBJrXX
I have also pursued this issue in face to face meetings with Ministers, and I will continue to call for an early review of the legislation.
I do however find it unfortunate that in opposing this bad piece of legislation some people appear to be in denial of the problems which do arise in relation to aspects of Scotland’s football culture. In particular I disagree with your interpretation of figures obtained by STV on domestic violence, which related to the overall number of incidents recorded and did not include an examination of the impact of any football matches. For a fuller analysis of the situation, you may wish to refer to the recent study conducted by public health researchers at St Andrews University:
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/news/archive/2013/title,227665,en.php
I believe that those opposing the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act and calling for its review would do well to remain focused on the flaws of that legislation, rather than entering into a drawn-out debate over the research on domestic violence, the conclusions of which seem clear.
Sincerely,
Patrick Harvie”
I also got a reply from Ruth Davidson:-
hank you for taking the time to contact me about the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012.
I completely share your concerns surrounding the application of the legislation, which the Scottish Conservatives voted against. The first annual statistics on the 2012 Act show conviction rates are considerably lower than those for aggravated breaches of the peace, the very offence the Act was designed to replace.
I am also aware of concerns expressed by the judiciary, the legal profession and supporters groups that the Act was poorly drafted and was being inappropriately applied and promoted by the Crown.
As you point out, the Scottish Government is committed to reviewing the Act but not until 2015. The Scottish Conservatives have already called for an earlier review of the Act and will continue to put pressure on the Scottish Government to examine this legislation as soon as possible.
Yours sincerely,
Ruth Davidson MSP”
No replies as yet from SNP or Labour members but it is early days. Interestingly, I fear Mr. Harvie might have a point about introducing the Domestic Abuse stats into this separate argument. Whilst I could take issue with him on the research, I feel the primary purpose of defeating the Bill is best served by separating out these issues.
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if we are forced to play our champs league qualifiers in scotland next year then at least the first one would get played at….
wait for it….
rugby park
if the first game is against someone we have never heard of, and its not a season ticket freebie, we would be lucky to get 25000 at murrayfield so what would be the point in going there
remember….
you heard it here first :-)
Elvis Costello…
I think Shipbuilding was a beautiful cover, (although he gets a writing credit) really rather emotional, poignant perhaps, and remains tangible today.
However, his own material is outstanding. One of a number of terrific songwriters of the era, amongst whom Ian Dury, Joe Jackson, Hugh Cornwell and Paul Weller.
WhateverhappenedtothesongwritersCSC
Jim McColl next on SSN,it’s good how him,King and Paul Murray try to dictate the state of play with very little shares between them.
Weeminger
They were not “plotting attacks on protestants” tho so I dnt think there’s much relevance in what ur saying….let me put it this way…..when was the last time u heard of a group of people with loyalist links being arrested….?? Where I mention relevance wasn’t intended to insult mo chara !
FREE THE 6!!!
UTLR
“Jam tomorrow is getting tiresome”
Tell me about it.
Shoulder2shoulder
Lest I be accused of running away.
The 6 are charged under the Terrorism Act apparently of trying to acquire , and I quote from the BBC news website, ” firearms and explosives with a view to carrying out terrorist offences, including “damage to property and murder of civilians”.
As things stand they are technically innocent, of course, and I hope for reasons too many to count that they are proved innocent.
Given the apparent seriousness of the accusations I believe that your post , referring to them as “comrades” and signing off “Until the Last Rebel ” , has no place on this website and nothing you or anyone else has posted changes that opinion.
Whether it’s deleted or not is up to Paul , of course.
HH
And now for a real crisis:-
we\’re running out of wine
roberttressell
13:46 on 31 October, 2013
Tax dodger, convicted criminal, glib and shameless liar – fit and proper? For The RFC tribute Act? I’d say so.
Leave him to it. The guy has £20 Million reasons for wanting his hands on the RIFC debit card and pin number.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hit the nail on the head there, bhoy
Hoopy do
“we would be lucky to get 25000 at murrayfield so what would be the point in going there”
So the 7000 souls who want to see the game (going with your figures) don’t miss out.
Just read mc oinks statement…does he really have to mention Celtic every time he opens his mouth?
A chippy cup final at Celtic Park!
They would cause more damage than any money would cover.
TBB
Elvis wrote all of the lyrics to Shipbuilding. It is incredible how many great songs he has written and how many have only been heard by relatively few. One of the most underrated and ignored albums in my view is “All This Useless Beauty”. from the mid 90’s
I have just bought his new one with The Roots (naw I’d never heard of them either). EC does not stand still/rest on laurels
Add Graham Parker to your list of songwriters and I will lend you a cyber pint
HEBCELT
WHICH CAPITAL LETTERS ARE U REFERRING TO MO CHARA (smile)
FREE THE 6 !!!
UTLR
What he said,
Fat Sallary, “If it has to be in Edinburgh why not give it to the club that needs the money?”
What he meant to say,
Fat Sallary, “If it has to be in Edinburgh why not give it to the club that needs the money Deidco failed to pay”
Neil canalamar. In European football Money is King with 60,000 fans at home matches and a large travelling support Celtic can provide income. I have recently watched a couple of Champions League matches abroad with near empty stadiums now this means some clubs just dont have the fan base to generate that income Platini and co. are aware of that and looking to change it so it puts us in a great position.On the subject of cost due to the volume support Celtic could provide would helpto bring prices down and with in the reach of most supporters it is unfortunate that there are posters due to there personal circumstances cant go to away games in Scotland and unless a match is on tv the best they can hope for is to listen to the radio.So lets imagine Celtic are away to Atletico Madrid there fan base is large so along with the Celtic away support the Ground is full.So to generate extra income for Atletico,Celtic and UEFA the game is beamed back to Parkhead where 30,000 pay say £15 per person.Now we are playing on a level playing field and can afford to sign the top players due to huge tv monies.So we are leaving no one behind everyone who follows Celtic is a winner or we can continue to fight for equality in Scotland and visit Dingwall on a wet Sunday lunch time.I know what I would rather do but your entitled to your small vision. H.H.
setting free the bears supports Celtic’s best fighter- Wee Oscar Knox
16:14 on 31 October, 2013
“And now for a real crisis:-
we\’re running out of wine”
If Dean Martin were alive, this would kill him
shoulder2shoulder
You have made your point. Please don’t argue with everyone who disagree’s with you.
It’s becoming tiresome. You have aired your views.
LB
geordie
yes
the additional cost to rent murrayfield as oppossed to rugby park, plus the fact that the pies are better at killie, means it would be viewed by PL as the right thing to do both in a financial and culinary sense.
Tabloid editors who have sat in judgement………………. scum
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24762474
shoulder2shoulder
16:11 on
31 October, 2013
As I said, generally I don’t agree with incarcerating people pending trial and I’m very much against detention without charge.
However these people have been arrested, and the police feel they have sufficient evidence to charge them with terrorism offenses including plotting to murder.
You seem to be stating that they shouldn’t be kept in custody pending trial, and I’m saying I’m open to the argument that people charged with specific types of offenses should.
Twisty
I agree re CFC in Scotland
It would be interesting for a short while to play elsewhere
We won’t be properly accepted and in any event would be miles behind in squad quality from the EPL big boys
However our boards craven attitude to the SFA and all things Sevco …mean that staying in Scotland means us bring treated as second class citizens
shoulder2shoulder jeez that,s neither funny or original. Hail Hail Hebcelt
S2S
As someone who has some knowledge of this case
Please take it easy …things may not be all that they seem
I understand your concern but the judicial system has moved on considerably from the bad years of the troubles
JFH,
When ?
And what do we do in the meantime, accept corruption because people like yourself refuse to challenge it ?
Summa
Oooohhhh hit a nerve or what?
Talk about hyperbole.
Everyday ???? Really ?
Me thinks you dont like my post.
Especially when that is your only retort.
The Old Firm mirror …????
Dont take it out on me.
I will be on here everyday reminding you your olld firm fans. After the AGM.
Is that it ?
Jeez oh I really look forward to you pulling up all the other repetitive shoite on here.
You will have a fiull time job and you know it.
HH
Well bhoys thanks for your discussion I have to go now and even though I think you are barking up the wrong tree we are all on the same side. H.H.
….pfayr supports weeoscar
16:22 on 31 October, 2013
We never have been, or ever will be, 2nd class citizens in this Country……in the final analysis, there is plenty of evidence to show that we are a class above ‘them’, on and off the park ….. They have finally been despatched to where they belong……. and we continue ‘on the one road’……’comrades all’…..’together noe, who cares’
Great to be a Celtic Supporter…….
S2S
Are you a hun trying to get people into trouble:)
HH
setting free the bears supports Celtic’s best fighter- Wee Oscar Knox
16:14 on
31 October, 2013
And now for a real crisis:-
we\’re running out of wine
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SFTB – Now that is a real worry!
Neil Canalamar. The longer we are divided on what to do the longer it will take to change anything.H.H.
“Those outside who can hear the songs being sung tell me Celtic Supporters have been singing some sectarian songs”
Cue Mahatma Nevin speech.
Obviously contrived.