A few points you can take to the bookies without losing your money:
If Joey Barton bet on the Barcelona-Celtic game odds of this being his first offence this season will be around 100/1. This ‘news’ has leaked at a time of choosing, not days after the practice started.
Joey Barton is a self-certified rule breaker, but if his induction process didn’t cover SFA rules about betting on football, a large portion of responsibility on this issue lies with his employer. And it’s not their first offence. I know many of the faces at Ibrox haven’t changed since the old days, but rules are not there to be ignored.
It’s palpably farcical to suggest anyone other than a died-in-the-wool fan wouldn’t “prefer to come to Celtic” than go to Newco Rangers, and even then, Scott Allan jumped at the chance to pull on the hoops. We could take our pick of anyone from Murray Park, or a supporters’ bus on its way to Ibrox, for that matter.
The world has changed. No one would pay attention to a St Johnstone player who said he rejected Celtic to go to Perth, claims that Joey did likewise are equally fanciful. Welcome to the not-so-new reality.
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I believe that we should have used the opportunity presented in 2012 and the few years of lower attendances that followed to redevelop the Main Stand to increase the capacity.
Celtic Park with say 80,000 seats on Champions League nights would be incredible and would surely make our stadium even more of an intimidating place.
People thought Fergus was crazy building a 60,000 all seater stadium but ultimately it gave us an advantage that contributed significantly to the events in Govania in 2012. Their numbers could never add up after those stands were build.
A leap to 80,000 may have looked silly as crowds dipped. Maybe less so if we back the manager, and those extra seats could have funded that.
Bought seats near the half way line in the lower North Stand for tomorrow, so great view. Won’t need my glasses!
Is there a bookies in Wallacemarket Edinburgh?
CORKCELT on 20TH SEPTEMBER 2016 2:19 PM
Off to Benalmadena in the morning any advice on where to watch game tomorrow night,
Try John Lemon in Benalmadena- a good Celtic pub
http://johnlemonbar.com
I’ll be over there in 2 weeks – it’s auldheid’s round :-)
Watched us beat the huns under wgs in a pub called the London Bridge on the shorefront in Benalmadena,obviously a long time ago,don’t know if it’s still there,Irish themed,packed and a good day was had by all.
winning captains
I think money could be well spent just sprucing up the old Main Stand never mind expanding it. It needs a bit of TLC.
South Of Tunis on 20th September 2016 12:05 pm
POR CIERTO
My addled ole bonce thinks it was a League Cup group game .
*correct, the winner would go through tae the quarters as we had tied the 1st game 1-1. It was also one of the few times that the Lions played together.
Your also correct about “kai yippee” stopping penman from getting the rebound, in fact he pushed him away, if he hadn’t the ball would have landed in Helensburgh after going through our net.
As you are aware the ball hit the underside of the bar and bounced out, the big clown said he didnae try tae heider it, he was only jumping for joy as he was sure the ball had crossed the line and it hit him on the heid.
That was the same game where the authorities stated all banners were prohibited, the hun end was full of them, wee dikeplugger ones, French flags with goatshagging symbols and of course the obligatory butcher’s aprons were flaunted freely.
However, when one solitary tricolour was raised in the Celtic end the polis were in like a pack of wolves, the chant “you can stick yer orange banners up yer erse”, was unveiled that night.
There was talk of big provan earlier, he wasn’t one of the trio that did a hatchet job on the wee mhan, that was ham and egg, sandra jardine and then when the latter went of the sub, the rev. watson (he was also an ordained minister) carried on the same.
Wee ten thirty had a lot of time for provan and had him as his assistant at the sizzle, he said that he did a lot of work for disadvantaged weans.
That night after the Buzz Bomb scored our 3rd a hun ran down the terracing, grabbed the corner flag and ran after Bobby, hearing the roar provan turned round and then body checked the imbecile on tae the track.
Wisnae a bad punter by all accounts but definitely a scheidty player even though he got 5 full caps and one league one and is in the deid club hall of fame, says it all really.
Actually,it would’ve been under MoN,mega years ago.
Hello there all,
Unconfined joy is now spreading like a giant huddle throughout the Gorbals. After this you may wish to acknowledge me as a seer in the face of science and a prophet without parallel.
My phone just did its wee magnificent seven heart massage as a message came through from the Beeb and the Guardian……and lo….AS PREDICTED BY ME AND POSTED HERE, ON MARCH 2nd 2006, it has indeed come to pass.
ANGELINA JOLIE (big Tim that she is) has decided to kick out that wee currant Brad Pitt…and I can feel my loins (Lisbon loins) anticipating her follow up call to confirm our own conjunction with the inevitable.
As I reread the runes of history, it turned out that so much more had also happened, again as I foretold, with the benefit of occult skills stemming from that incomparable conception of FIRST SON by THIRD SON, giving me an unbeatable grasp on time’s horizon.
Seventh sons of seventh sons are so last century.
So if you find yourself at a loose end then perhaps these musings upon the sands of time may provide a morsel of wonder at the power that fuels the engine of total bollox that one man and 15 pints of Guinness were capable of generating. Oh yes, you can enjoy from 10years ago the tale of Celtic, love unconfined, washing baskets, Paul le Guen, a CQN love rival and a dog called ‘weeshitebaw’, and of course CELTIC.
Anyway….as proof…..(and don’t forget to get yer money on some of the stuff that still lies beyond the veiled sweeping hand of silent seconds) here is what was written.
https://goo.gl/hYVCUQ
Hail Hail
Matt
Apologies for the bold. I lost a bracket somewhere…as well as having a number of screws loose.
Hail Hail
Matt
Wanna BET that Barton will find out where lee Wallace is hiding ?
Where did all the corollary demand money go?
Barton’s nag…..stuffed
WC- thanks for reply, a hard one to judge for me , the expense of expanding to 80k, when we will be lucky to get 20k tomorrow night? Lots of reasons for that i know, bhoys just bought CL packages, travel issues etc etc.HH
The circus that is Joey Barton continues.
CORKCELT.
In Benalmadena there is a bar called,LOONEYS.
It’s across the road from what’s known as 24 hour square.
You will get the Celtic game on in there.
Auldhead watches the games in there when he is in town.
The hurting huns at STV show the Barca goals again…
The hope for expansion plan will always come up from time to time, for two reasons
A) The stadium would look so much better if was architecturally matched to create an even bigger better theatre
B) The front and mainstand need to be restored
I seem to remember a frequent poster during Ronny’s reign suggesting we should be closing more sections due to falling crowds? How fickle my heart and how woozy my mind.
WC is quite correct even some Celtic fans viewed Fergus’s stadium plan with scepticism, and we all know how that turned out.
Build it and they will come, – 80,000 even if only full for the Barca games, sounds about right.
If you build it they will come.
MWD Fergus McCann & Kevin Costner CSC
Oh no they won’t.
Not against Inverness et al.
HH
Oh yes they will.
MWD Pantomime.CSC
Greenpinata & MWD
‘He’s behind you:)
HH
who remembers the flyers handed out at celtic park from fergus with the original idea , this was about 18 months before he took over –
http://image.wikifoundry.com/image/1/lN5y1Y_kyKC3cjXJdgtucw90315/GW700H446
a cost effective stadium expansion could be to take off the main stand roof, level of the seating pitch to be the same as the bottom tier, then add one tier on top, but not in the corners. leave them as is, and turn them into rail seating/standing.
fag packet estimation , this will take it to
67,888 capacity.
in my childhood i actually loved it when celtic park was quoted as being 67000 capacity, i used to think it would annoy the monkeys.
Saint Stivs –
I remember them handing out the flyers about the proposed new stadium. Took it home and showed it to my father. He studied it for a while.
“Looks fantastic,” he said. “It’ll never happen.”
The stadium size is crucial to dominance. We have the advantage over TFOD by around 10,000 seats. On an ‘all other things equal’ basis that’s 10,000 times your ticket fee for games that will sell out. i.e. Versus them, Champions League, league run ins etc.
A x P x G = £advantage
Where A is the Additional attendance, P = average ticket price, G = Number of Games that increment is sold
10,000 x say £30 x say 8 sell out games a season is £2.4m of a differential. Per season. The incremental match day spend of 10,000 punters will pay for the increased running cost. More pie stalls = bigger franchise fee income.
USe your own figures in the formula. The real increment is more than £2.4m as it’s not jsut sell outs. It’s every time there is 1 more than TFOD’s capacity. 52,000 v Hearts, 54,000 v Aberdeen. On a like for like basis it’s simply an unbridgeable gap. They have made a new deck, made all their plastic seats smaller, redefined the aisles and squeezed seats into their corners in recognition of this literal structural gap.
Take that to Old Trafford, where they saw the value in expanding to 70,000 over a decade ago. That’s why Chelsea are forced into £3,000 season ticket prices, it’s how they get to a competitive number at the end of the formula. Arsenal built the Emirates of course. West Ham will attempt to jump off their plateau onto a new higher one in their new home, Spurs have been on the case for years, as have Liverpool. To make a genuine top 8 in England rather than the top 4.
The capacity of a stadium is the one constant where clubs and fans together make a difference to the monetary advantage. Commercial and TV deals can outstrip the punter income one year to the next but it is not in the control of the club and its fans.
I recently commented on Aberdeen’s proposed new stadium with its 21,000 capacity. Aberdeen will condemn themselves to mediocrity forever with this move. They should be looking at being bigger than Hearts and Hibs and 30k upwards. They may only command 11,000 to 16,000 week to week but if they deny themselves the sell out 4 times a year with 10,000 travelling Glaswegians and continue to restrict them to 2,000, and limit their own cup sell outs to less than they could sell, and forget the possibility of an expanded European set up, then they deny themselves the ability to self funded expansion. Be the National Team’s second home perhaps. The incremental cost of build is where the visionary comes in, perhaps even a modest second tier that can be opened or closed, but they have prudence pouring cold water all over that.
But do the maths, use the formula, be brave, have build cost options and see what the long term return can be.
The demand is not there for 80,000 at Celtic Park, other than some Champions League nights – which do not recur every season at the moment – and I don’t think aesthetics of the stadium is enough to justify a revamped South Stand. But if there were statistics and analysis to suggest we could add 10 to 20 thousand in a sufficient number of games a season then the £5m+ return on investment simply begs another arithmetical question of build cost.
Simple!
ST STIVS
My newly-converted Tim buddy was always amazed that our biggest crowd back then-couldnae move,ffs-was always given as 37,000 in non-ticket games.
Some accountant,yon Desmond White.
Blantyre Kev.
very good read, well thought out summary, ta.
The expansions of English stadiums, Liverpool , City, United, and new developments for west ham, tottenham, I find it all very interesting.
Sutton tearing in to Sevco and the tragic prat on BT, lol.
Can see everything green in stickies hooses gettin’ kicked in.
Steam comin’ oot their ears.
Sutton on by sport said wharburton has lost his magic hat hahaha
panel didn’t look to impressed
Sevco are favourites to win at Pittodrie?
Is Lawwell the D.O.F. at CP ?
If he’s not…..?
Why is Barton’s agent contacting ‘him’ ?
I thought Brendan was the fitba guru ?
Or, is he just another puppet with, squirrel appeal to hook 53,000 Celtic supporters to pour they’re £millions into the club ?
A former EPL manager who – strangely – didn’t attract any interest from, any English club after he was sacked by LFC ?
But, if he’s successful at CP, ye can look for him disappearing to England again – if he gets an offer – as, the SPFL will lose it’s appeal as the died-huns eat themselves and, are so p#sh that they’ll probably be relegated.
Unless, the 5-Way-Agreement, restructures the leagues to keep the huns in the top league with Celtic, just the way that Fergus McCann likes it.
….aye…..
BM,
there was a cup game v aberdeen around 1980, where the dons had half the coatbridge end, and it was packed. The celtic end and jungle were stacked, and it was till them i thought the biggest crowd i had ever seen.
next morning the official attendance was indeedy 37,000
BLANTYREKEV
Be brave.
That’s how many of us would deal with things.
But is it how an accountant does things?
Risk Management is very profitable nowadays. Based,as I’ve said before,on worst-case scenario.
Seems that speculation based on past experience is no longer an option.
Build it they will come would never happen nowadays.
Nor would have the original Celtic Park
St Stivs
Cracking photo! It came along to being pretty close to that vision!
I remember after many a reported 37,000 (despite being barely able to breathe in the Celtic end) Not The View running a front page headline of “I wandered lonely as a crowd”. Brilliant. Stuck with me.
Why don’t Celtic open up the area with 10,000 extra seats and….
call it the Mary’s Meals Stand ?
Let the homeless and, under priviliged in for free.
Get Mary’s Meals sponsored on the strip.
Reconnect with Celtic’s traditions and, slowly ease our way out of the McCann-Thatcher-Era.
No more PLC – No more ‘shame-game’ soul selling.
Simples.
ST STIVS
It happened so often that it was cruel to mention it.
The perra us were on the train back to Ardrossan after a virtual decider-Sir Daniel of McGrain actually kicked the ball out the park that day!-v Dundee Utd which we won 2-1.
IIRC!
He said that was the biggest crowd bar a hun game ever for him,couldnae move.
(Bonus-he couldnae get near the pie stall either)
Crowd,Neil?
Must be well ower 50k
Fella behind me said-read it in the papers,37k.
PMSL …
He is a fast learner,and still my best bud.
Blatyre Kev,
also allready this season, – our 3 qualifiers had 27000 more attendess than the comparative fixtures last season.
our 2 home league games have had 25000 more attendees than aberdeen and dundee united (relegated vs promotoed) comparison. The kille game keeps this trend up with very few tickets left, hinting at a crowd of 57,000 +.
even the league cup has seen a few thousand more at the home game.
last night the CL 3 game package also sold out, 58,500 crowds expected.
hoest assessment if we had another 10,000 – 20,000 seats we would have sold them for the CL and the 2nd rangers games.
it really is a competative advantage.
.
…..off-oot-zzzz….