I’ve just caught Joe O’Rourke’s article on the Association site about the long-awaited released of statistics on sectarian crime in Scotland. Joe suggests that the data from 2003 – 2010 was has been destroyed by the Crown Office. I also hear that the Scottish Government will release entirely irrelevant ‘information’ today, specifically, where offences took place, not which groups were responsible or which groups were targeted by the offenders.
It takes a lot of effort to make sure you destroy data these days, you need to ensure not only that prosecutors permanently delete backups (which I really doubt they do) but also that the police similarly comply.
Fortunately all is not lost. While it’s just about believable that regional police forces across Scotland and the Crown Office have acted in symmetry on this issue, I could have helped the First Minister, Alex Salmond’s, search for clarity by pointing him in the direction of British Transport Police (BTP). The Transport Police are a separate force who operate across Britain and are run by the Home Office in London. They are also a lot less proficient at destroying data.
They previously gave me detailed statistics on all incidents they record in connection with Scottish football for season 2007-08. One of the most pleasing aspects of the information is the complete eradication of sectarian offences from all but one Scottish club, so the First Minister will be delighted to learn he has a smaller problem on his hands than he perhaps knew. According to BTP, 11 arrests were made for sectarian offences in total, 10 Rangers fans and one Northern Ireland fan.
You can see the detail figures for all recorded incidents here (the majority of which are for non-sectarian issues). From a total of 99 incidents (not all of which resulted in arrest), there were six involving Celtic fans, six for Dundee United, seven for Motherwell, four for Hibernian and five each for Aberdeen and Hearts. Rangers fans were involved in a total of 48 incidents.
The BPT figures also make it clear that most incidents occur when fans travel to away venues. The Force also confirmed that incidents surrounding the 2008 Uefa Cup final in Manchester were not included in these statistics.
To further aid Mr Salmond in his search for clarity on this issue, he can contact British Transport Police with a Freedom of Information request here, where they will be able to provide him (or you) with up to date stats.
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The Token Tim
I’m their best customer (so the wife tells me)!
Ms Cunningham claimed the latest figures back-up the SNP government’s plan for controversial new anti-sectarianism legislation.
She added: “This report supports the direction of travel we are taking. We need to eradicate sectarianism once and for all by cracking down on all forms and expressions of sectarian hatred, through a combination of education and tough enforcement.”
Tough enforcement? Maybe she can tell us why the Justice Minsister sat at the League Cup Final and listened to 90 minutes of bile from the rangers fans and then stated what a “great atmosphere” it had been…
Paul67
Big well done to you ………………………..that wee burd at the bottom of the page
is a cracker.
G’day Celts happy Friday!
Paul67 great article!
V
THM and Neganon
I am a Nationalist and a nationist. I am not an apologist for the SNP, I do however advocate, agree and where possible champion the cause of independence.
I am positive I suppose probably
1. Because of own upbringing
2. the opinions I have
3. General appreciation of the people I meet everyday in the community
4. My belief in the essential humanity within people as a whole
5. and particularly as a counterweight to the apocalyptic visions of Klu Klux clan risings, conspiracies and burnings against Catholics, Irish and Celtic Fans as portrayed on a regular basis on here.
I don’t agree with the SNP on the OB bill and I am lobbying for a formal investigation of the claims against Christine Grahame. If they are untrue she MUST take action. If they are true she MUST resign or be kicked out.
But I feel privileged to be of Scottish descent through one parent and Irish through another I smile at most of the mosaic of marvellous colour and texture and frown occasionally at some of the bits that don’t fit or match. I was born and raised a catholic but find myself in a twilight of beliefs that depending on the temperature range from sudden sunlight to impending darkness. I am not Agnostic or Atheist; The existence of Good and Bad suggests that perhaps the search for certainty is what matters rather than the dogmatic pronouncement of ‘I know the answer’.
I don’t feel oppressed, I don’t feel unable to speak out, I don’t feel hard done by, I don’t feel crushed beneath a sectarian jackboot.
I can speak freely and I can and do so in forums, committees and conferences where I receive a hearing and rational feedback. I have no ghosts which frighten me.
Condemn as you see fit, that is a right that I would never try and deny you; it would be futile anyway.
I’ll just try and stick to my search and hope that I am right. The alternative seems to me to be the dark rather than the sunlight.
I duck out of this subject now.
Hail Hail
Estadio
Evening Times doing it’s bit for the Orange order.What Roman Catholic would brave enough to venture anywhere near a parade and expect to walk away…
SECTARIANISM is increasing across Scotland, with four out of five religiously motivated hate crimes recorded in and around Glasgow.
Figures released today by the Scottish Government show there were 693 crimes aggravated by religious prejudice in Scotland last year, up nearly 10% on the previous year and the highest level in four years.
Of the offences recorded in the report, 79% took place in the Strathclyde Police force area. However, less than 5% were related to marches and parades. A third of all charges related directly to football.
Fassreifen says @ 13:10
>> Any geek knows that deleting files and even emptying the trashcan
>> doesn’t delete the files, it merely induces the computer’s memory to
>> forget where it put them.
On more modern laptops that use solid state disks, the old tricks of recovering ‘deleted’ data by looking for unallocated sectors or slack-space no longer work. The ‘disks’ have their own CPU and operating system that manages the content.
ASonOfDan says:
18 November, 2011 at 13:06
No great fan of Sammi either but his last 2 performances playing wide left has been impressive and he deserves to keep his place. I would only drop Commons as I think Ledley must play in the middle. Maybe Big Vic will be rested as he’s been away on international duty this week
Estadio
Happy that you are a content man, I have two children aged 4 and 7. The day this country gets its Independence under the SNP is the day I pack the bags and get out for my children’s sake.
All about opinions…
HH
Something doesn’t add up here. The newly released Section 74 stats say 13.1% of the total offences took place on public transport (making them of interest to the transport police).
In 2007-08, the transport police only recorded 12 Section 74 arrests, suggesting the total across all categories for that year would only be 91. This is way short of the numbers the Scottish government has published for any of the years it has looked at.
Something isn’t right.
The govt statistics, but an utterly risible waste of time if you don’t identify the offenders backgrounds. Like inferring it is Muslim or Jewish people’s fault if racist attacks take place mainly at mosques and synogogues. Anything to avoid addressing where the real problem lies. Blatant institutional sectarianism, how about an inquiry into that…..
2.00 pm Radio 3. Beethoven’s 9th with the magnificent Ode To Joy.
FFS, I keep finding reasons NOT to get on with this book. It’ll be the skirting boards that need cleaning next, and I need to start my pre-Inverness warm up routine otherwise we’ll either be in deep trouble tomorrow or another high tide will have the pitch in deep water :-)
See youse after the deluge (hopefully of goals in our column).
Hail hail
Estadio
Kayal33
You better read this and the nthink about that team again :(
CELTIC were today plunged into a fresh injury crisis ahead of their game against Inverness tomorrow.
Neil Lennon could have up to 10 players out, with Celtic’s beleaguered backline the worst affected area.
Daniel Majstorovic is the only senior first-team central defender available for the game in the Highlands, although Victor Wanyama could be drafted back to partner him.
Thomas Rogne remains a doubt with a hamstring strain even though he trained this morning. Cha also has a tight hamstring after international duty with South Korea and is out, Ki Sung-Yueng is touch and go and Glenn Loovens remains sidelined as is Charlie Mulgrew.
Mark Wilson and Kelvin Wilson are still out and Lennon has admitted his selection problems could make him think twice when it comes to signing players from far-flung nations, given the amount of travelling and the demands that are placed upon them.
The injury problems to Ki and Cha have particularly rankled with Lennon since the player has spent time in hospital, while Cha played two full games for South Korea despite the fact he had complained about a tightness in his hamstring after the first.
Estadio
Rimbaud
Ulysses
Smallest CSC
here you go
http://www.easeus.com/data-recovery/other-recovery-software/SSD-drive-recovery.htm
http://www.easeus.com/datarecoverywizard/free-deleted-recovery-solution.htm
Hail Hail
Imagine you are a football agent trying to engineer your client’s lucrative move to the Premiership.He is very keen on the move but does not wish to alienate those who support his current employers.How would you delay the signing of a new contract without the blame being placed upon your client?
Answer:The agent simply makes unreasonable demands,the player says he is happy to sign ,the club refuses to pay the agent’s ludicrous fee,the player becomes a free agent and the club is made to look at fault.Easy.
Any offer to SB should be withdrawn and he should not captain Celtic again.
Summa of Sammi…. says:
18 November, 2011 at 11:47
“The club already has links to India thanks to …..the amount of our fans who are regularly lifted for singing sectarian songs (allegedly) outside their shops most nights of the week…..”
Regarding these stats, compiled by plod from data prepared by plod, that show plod to be the most common target of relgious abuse.
Does anyone remember this story?
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‘Apology over policing ‘injuries’
Police minister Vernon Coaker has apologised for telling Parliament that 70 officers were injured dealing with protests at Kingsnorth power station.
His comments came after it was revealed that injuries sustained during policing at the Climate Camp in August included insect stings and heat exhaustion.
There were only 12 reportable injuries, according to a Freedom of Information (FoI) request by the Liberal Democrats.
More than 1,000 officers were involved in policing the event near Hoo in Kent.
According to information obtained by the Liberal Democrats, Kent Police officers and staff suffered only 12 reportable injuries, four of which involved direct contact with another person.
The Lib Dems said the eight other injuries included being “stung on finger by possible wasp”, “officer injured sitting in car” and “officer succumbed to sun and heat”.
Kent Police confirmed that 12 officers were required to retire from duty because of their injuries.
A spokesman said: “In total, approximately 68 officers were treated for injuries or illnesses by the Kent Police tactical medicine unit and the Red Cross.
“In addition, teams of officers from other forces brought their own first aid support who would have also dealt with injuries.”
“Other than the 12 who had to retire from duty, the remaining officers with injuries or ailments did not need to do so.”
Mr Coaker said an inquiry was being carried out by the National Police Improvement Agency (NPIA) into the handling of the demonstration.
He added: “I was informed that 70 police officers were hurt and naturally assumed that they had been hurt in direct contact as a result of the protest.
“That clearly wasn’t the case and I apologise if that caused anybody to be misled.”
David Howarth, Liberal Democrat justice spokesman, urged Mr Coaker to “revise his conclusion” that the policing was “proportionate and appropriate”.
David Taylor, Labour MP for NW Leicestershire, said: “When people expressed concerns about the vigour and resources devoted by the police to the Kingsnorth climate camp we were told that it was justified because there were dozens of injuries that occurred.”
He added: “Unless the protestors are to be held responsible for wasps and the weather, aren’t we to conclude that the justification used at that time was wholly bogus and vacuous?”
Kent Police assistant chief constable Allyn Thomas said: “Considering the scale of this operation, which involved around 1,400 officers and staff, the very small number of injuries sustained by officers is actually very positive news.
‘Measure of success’
“Officers are duty-bound to report any injuries or illnesses while they are working so all ailments, however minor, will have been recorded in a basic format for this purpose.
“We consider it a measure of the success of the whole policing operation that so few injuries were sustained, both by officers and protesters, and that none were serious or major.”
Discretionary powers to allow officers to stop and search people were extended to the whole of the Hoo peninsula during the protest against the building of coal-fired power stations.
Of the 100 people arrested, 46 were charged with offences ranging from obstruction and public order offences to the possession of a bladed weapon.
The current Kingsnorth power station is due to close in 2015 and E.ON wants to replace it with two new coal units, which it claims will be 20% cleaner.’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7784301.stm
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Be sceptical of plod claiming to be a victim.
Ulysses
There is a connection. I too, having fallen on the floor from the couch, am often to be found crawling towards the door. However he was a wean in the house and not an Auld git in the pub! :-)
Right now….Chapter 1!
Hail Hail
Estadio
ASonOfDan says:
18 November, 2011 at 13:34
Didn’t know about Cha & Rogne but knew Loovens & Mulgrew were out. El Kadourri at left back and Matthews moving to the right then. Don’t move Ledley to left back, we need him in the middle.
If Rogne doesn’t play i’d bring in young Marcus Fraser, coped very well v Rennes and Big Dan, for all his faults, would be a good experienced head to talk him through the game.
TBB
Not Yet !
Hail Hail
Ernie
The Lib Dems said the eight other injuries included being “stung on finger by possible wasp”, “officer injured sitting in car” and “officer succumbed to sun and heat”.
Those are brilliant. One has to wonder how an officer of the law could have got injured sitting the car. Did he turn the music up too loud and rupture an ear drum, did he stick his finger in the cigarette lighter to see how warm it really was.*
Best suggestion wins a boat.**
Mort
* Turns out quite hot.
** Note there is no actual boat.
Celtic_First @ 13:28
Something doesn’t add up here. The newly released Section 74 stats say 13.1% of the total offences took place on public transport (making them of interest to the transport police).
In 2007-08, the transport police only recorded 12 Section 74 arrests, suggesting the total across all categories for that year would only be 91. This is way short of the numbers the Scottish government has published for any of the years it has looked at.
Something isn’t right.
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Maybe it’s because not all arrests on public transport will be made by the British Transport Police.
I tend to notice them mostly on mainline train services.
SSN……..
Celtic fan remanded for punching Pudsey in the eye.
Data destroyed …… normal procedure.
Eddie Smith and SPL delegate …… normal procedure.
Eddie Smith and UEFA delegate …… normal prodedure.
So normal that no one can give another example of it.
CELTIC have been linked with a £2.6m move for former Rangers target, Roland Juhasz, during the January transfer window.
The Parkhead club are eager to sign a new centre-half following a catalogue of defensive errors this season.
Rangers made several attempts to sign the Anderlecht defender during the summer, only to repeatedly fail to meet the Belgian club’s £3.5m valuation.
Juhasz, who has been capped 69 times by Hungary, even made a personal plea to Hermann Van Holsbeeck, the Anderlecht general manager, to allow him to join the Ibrox side and had a £3m release clause written into his contract after the move failed to materialise.
Anderlecht want the defender to extend his stay beyond his current deal, but have admitted that they will allow the 28-year-old to move on in January should a club firm up their interest.
“Roland still hasn’t left us. But if he wants a change of scenery after seven years of loyalty towards us, we won’t stand in his way,” said Van Holsbeeck. “He was right to stay loyal with us despite several offers from Glasgow Rangers in the summer and we still want him here.”
Rangers are unlikely to return with another bid for Juhasz in January with the club still embroiled in a tax case with Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, which is due to run into next year.
The Ibrox club also have Carlos Bocanegra and Dorin Goian as their established partnership in central defence and so do not need to spend more money strengthening that area of the team.
AND WE ARE BACK !!
Greggs Sausage Rolls fest in Sauchiehall Street.
Come to Daddy you flakey feckers.
Bournesoup
I am the subject of strange looks because you keep making me laugh aloud.
Paul67,
not lazy journalism
hail hail
bournesouprecipe says:
18 November, 2011 at 13:55
Mind those greasy crumbs on your snorkel.
SSN……
Celtic fan accused of making a hole in the ozone layer.
Awe_Naw…
Can I use that in all its detail as a real prospect/rumour…….or have I missed one of your ANNAOANisms in there.
Hail Hail
Estadio
Celtic Fan accused of hiding the queens two cousins
bournesouprecipe says:
18 November, 2011 at 13:55
Mind the grease on the tie!
As the Establishment net tightens around all things Celtic, on an almost daily basis, the club should do what many of us have done…..get out.
There is life after Scotland and it can be pretty good.
Notice to Resign, Celtic. It’s only a matter of time.
Friday Fun
What’s the difference between a blonde and a brick?
Kittoch says:
18 November, 2011 at 14:04
Is the blonde ,male or female?
Ian58,
I think you’re correct. The Transport Police would not be involved in offences committed on a bus or on the Glasgow Underground, which many huns use to get to their home games.