The SPL deadline for clubs to provide information on improper registration of players was six weeks ago today but the league has yet to report findings to clubs, while the chief executive rallies support to allow a Newco access to the league.
Time has expired on this policy of non-disclosure until it’s too late.
If the SPL chief executive ever tells us that Rangers fielded improperly registered players between 2000 and 2012, resulting in years of 3-0 defeats being awarded, there will be an enormous amount of anger, not only among supporters, but in boardrooms across the country, as they ponder money which was rightfully theirs but which went to Rangers – perhaps including Rangers prize money for finishing second this season.
We have made an attempt to quantify this money. Some of the losses were easier to calculate than others. For example, it was easy to calculate that when Rangers won the title in 2009 with improperly registered players, earning automatic qualification to the Champions League group stage, they denied Celtic £15m European earnings, plus £340k SPL prize money. Other losses are less clear, specifically when a club was denied a place in a qualifying round for the Champions League or Uefa Cup, which they may or may not have progressed from.
We have established three figures for each club in the SPL during the season just finished, to cover the period from 2000 to 2012:
Minimum loss:
The absolute minimum each club was denied from European and SPL prize money as a result of Rangers finishing above them with ineligible players.
Weighted loss:
The figure based on Scottish clubs gaining entry to Champions League/Europa League (Uefa Cup) group stages from 20% of their qualifying campaigns (which is slightly less than trend).
Maximum loss:
The maximum a club could have achieved if it qualified for the European group stage it was denied entry to.
Out estimates take no account of the subsequent effect money has on future years. For example, If Celtic earned an additional £15m from entering the Champions League group stage in 2009-10 their league challenge for that season would have been £15m stronger, and Rangers £15m weaker, potentially resulting in consequences in future years.
This multiplier effect would have benefited Celtic but it would be likely to have a greater effect on other clubs, some of whom would be denied the enormous percentage increase in budget automatic qualification to European group stages would have brought.
Hearts finished immediately behind Celtic and Rangers more often than any other club over the period and suffer the greatest potential losses, even more so than Celtic. Hibernian, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Motherwell also suffered significant losses.
Several clubs got nowhere near European football over the period, and some of the 11 spent only a few years in the SPL but each club lost over £1m.
Figures for each club are:
Hearts
Maximum: £72.3m
Weighted: £16.3m
Minimum: £6.2m
Celtic
Maximum: £46.7m
Weighted: £21.9m
Minimum: £17.4m
Hibernian
Maximum: £34.8m
Weighted: £8.4m
Minimum: £3.6m
Aberdeen
Maximum: £21.1m
Weighted: £5.5m
Minimum: £2.7m
Dundee United
Maximum: £20.8m
Weighted: £5.2m
Minimum: £2.4m
Motherwell
Maximum: £16.7m
Weighted: £4.4m
Minimum: £2.1m
Kilmarnock
Maximum: £5.1m
Weighted: £1.9m
Minimum: £1.3m
Dunfermline
Maximum: £3.4m
Weighted: £1.8m
Minimum: £1.5m
Inverness
Maximum: £1.3m
Weighted: £1.3m
Minimum: £1.3m
St Johnstone
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
St Mirren
Maximum: £1.1m
Weighted: £1.1m
Minimum: £1.1m
In the event Rangers fielded ineligible players during the period under consideration, which everyone apart from Neil Doncaster knows, and even he will be unable to deny next week, we know the following:
Rangers received a minimum of £40.9m which should have gone to the 11 other clubs, assuming each club lost all their European group stage qualifying campaigns. This calculation does not include earnings from clubs now in the Scottish Football League, such as Hamilton Accies or Dundee.
If Scottish clubs progressed to the group stages of European competition on only 20% of their qualifying campaigns the loss would be £69.0m.
The figure for total potential losses if clubs successfully progressed to every European group stage is, as the figure for 100% failure, more illustrative than likely, but the maximum cost to the 11 SPL clubs is £224.6m.
Results will be changed, trophies can and will, be re-awarded, but these are the harsh financial consequences clubs, their lawyers and supporters, will consider when the facts are presented to them next week. The SPL executive has had six weeks to consider if there is sufficient evidence to commence disciplinary proceedings; they have failed to do so. They have failed you and every other football supporter in the land, while shamelessly pursuing an accommodation for the errant club BEFORE REVEALING THE FACTS TO YOU.
Time will be up soon, Mr Doncaster. You’ve had your chance but you have convinced no one. The people who really matter in this entire debacle are those who buy tickets for Celtic Park, Pittodrie, Easter Road, Tynecastle, Tannadice, Fir Park and the rest, they will hear the truth and read these figures. You have failed them.
You can read our calculations here. European income figures were sources from Uefa data.
Celtic’s disadvantage deepened when their winger John Doyle was sent off ten minutes into the second half for kicking the scorer, but there was an equaliser from Aitken, who was especially suited to a night of such fervour and force. Never bashful, Aitken was stimulated by the challenge of being in an outnumbered line-up.
From Celtic: A Biography in Nine Lives, by Kevin McCarra.
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Fortunes Favour Mibbes
In the 1870s, you had to be a practising Catholic to get a game for Hibs. Some use this as justification for the fact that in the 1970s, you could not get a game for a certain other club if you were a practising Catholic.
That’s all I was meaning.
The maestro set up a computer company, Midgebyte, head office in Glasgow, he moved to Oz & his brother, Raymond, is running Uk operations. One of his daughters very promising tennis player.
From memory.
Goodnight fellow Celts.
Alright knoxy
Cheers for the call earlier
HH
We don’t need them.
Nobody NEEDS them.
Clubs, businesses, families,.. need money. It buys the stuff you want.
If you get less money, you can buy less stuff.
If you get more money, you can buy more stuff.
For most of us, we adjust to what we need; many of us borrow to get what we want.
Some clubs say they need the huns. Really? I mean, fkng really? Do these clubs really operate on a margin as tight as an extra 3000 fans once a season, and some perceived difference between the Sky deal as is and as might be? If that is the case, then you reduce costs in line with reduced income. Does that mean you cease to exist? Come on!!!
Who is challenging these statements, from Kilmarnock and St Johnstone spokespeople?
If Scottish football drops in standard, so be it. As long as people remember that any perceived high point that involves the Huns (Manchester; a draw vs CSKA Moscow with a Scott Nisbet freak goal; a draw against Inter Milan while their fans were banned); was unfairly bought and therefore cheated – nothing they have achieved under EBTs is worthy of appreciation or credit, so cannot be claimed as a high watermark for Scottish football. You would need to go back to MON’s Seville Celtic team; or Jim McLeans DUFC;, or Alex Ferguson’s
triumph over Real; everything the huns have done is tainted.
Tainted – by your own doings. The ol Ben Johnson routine, only even easier, because the huns finished (“strongly”,DJ you gimp) – if Carl Lewis finishes in front by 10 milliseconds, and Ben Johnson finishes second, but with a 10ms penalty for cheating, does that taint Carl’s gold? No, but Ben’s a cheating cvnt.
Huns – jsut fkn die. Or be reborn as a Newclub. See you in 5 years. In 50 years you might win a star for your lovely new top.
I have a betfair account, just couldn’t be bothered checking the site as the odds haven’t been better than the main ones recently. Placed my bets now elsewhere, I kinda hope I lose. Won a fair bit with Man City winning the league so feeling flush lately :O)
Tom,
Cheers, as long as I know the mhain mhan is happy and well :)
Where’s Newton Mearns in Sydney then? Soo’ Side?
A bit of Ska for your soul – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxHcx7FO8nI
lubos leather jacket,
I hope the Hibs gub them.
tarrant
got it in one re the hun
those from StJ and Killie are just Huns in disguise …interesting that no other club has voiced such fear on their demise
they have less supporters than they think
Algarvian on 18 May, 2012 at 23:54 said:
Yikes!!!! Didnt know that!
Just had a look and i see the multiples bit. Never noticed that before.
A friend always told me you couldnt do it so I assumed he was right.
It seems it is only some markets though.
Just tried to do a Gomes & Gary O Connor double and it wouldnt let me…
Some selections are available for Singles, but not for Multiples.
These include:
Lay bets
Bets on certain events
Bets on certain markets
Bets on certain selections (e.g. “Any unquoted”)
Thanks for the tip off though!
Unfortunately I think that Sergio has more tactical nous than Pat.
Can’t see anything other than a Jamboree!
sorrycsc
song for the hun
different topic but the sentiment is just the same
http://youtu.be/17eSUnQ-_ek
Yeah hoping for a Hibby win but can’t see past the minis, got to work with far to many of them on Monday as well (including a few refs who will be at the game in their SFA blazers, crap being a hibby)
Paul Mcstay had what 5 daughters ?
Many moons ago down at Seamill one of the daughters spent the night chasing after one of my bhoys in his striking skelleton pj’s my bhoy played hard to get but the little minx was a tryer….. both were about 2 years old.
Super player…
>>>>>>>
midfield maestro on 18 May, 2012 at 23:56 said:
The maestro set up a computer company, Midgebyte, head office in Glasgow, he moved to Oz & his brother, Raymond, is running Uk operations. One of his daughters very promising tennis player.
From memory.
Goodnight fellow Celts.
my main concern for tomorrow is teh Hibs defence ,,,,utter dross
Someone posted this week that we have had – outwith the Hun – only 4000 supporters of other clubs come to Celtic Park. For the season!
Who needs who? I think that puts to bed the idea of sharing gate money. Nae chance!!!!!
Celtic_First
Wasn’t questioning what you meant ! Just asking where the debate had come from? Hibs are an interesting club, but their recent history does let them down imo. Denial of their roots (possibly understandable due to the signing restrictions you mentioned (not feasibly comparable with simlar policies in the 20th Century a hunder years later) – and a hooligan element. I hope they can tidy up the rogue elements of their support, but there is surely a debate in this? Why are the Celtic Support proven in the eyes of UEFA and FIFA to be excellent supporters, while Hibs, being close, still have a rogue element. Next down, of course, the huns and mini-huns, between whom it’s difficult to distinguish. If Hearts were to get any run in Europe and start taking over larger numbers, I’d be surprised if they didn’t behave like a replica of their “big brother/cousin” (their own choice of phrases !) moreson than they do here. (CF, apols for the rambling and poorly thought out wording. Late Friday night ! But worthy of consideration I think, if I’m being clear…)
Sorry lads if any of you have seen this.
Rangers Crimewatch Special
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxdJ3VdxNBY
Re Betfair prices…
I was browsing the markets for the Man City/QPR game and noticed Man City HT, QPR FT was 145/1
In the bookies you would normally get around 40/1 on such a bet. So i stuck 2 quid on it as i kinda fancied QPR might get something from the game given it was like a ‘cup final’- they needed a point to ensure EPL survival.
Man City were winning at HT. And QPR were winning going into injury time. Absolutely gutted with the late goals. Would have returned £290 off a £2 bet.
Bundoran Bhoy, no worries! Good to talk to you!
Knoxy
To whom it may concern,
betfair multiples just got better.
El Mad
knoxy2000 eating Jelly and Ice Cream and supporting Neil Lennon on 19 May, 2012 at 00:10 said:
That’s unlucky Knoxy, you could have layed some back though to ensure a profit, QPR would have went down fairly short.
hen1rik – don’t know how i missed that, quality. Thanks dude!
HH
jc2
I could see him running successful businesses no bother – but IT??? Need to have words with that mhan if I’m ever blessed to see him :) (Unless he’s the genius behind the EA Sports FIFA playstation games! :)))
Evening,
WRT the final tomorrow logic dictates a healthy Hearts victory. However, there are occasions when football defies logic. It would be a fairytale end to a 110 year wait for this trophy.
I’ll be cheering on the Hibees tomorrow. C’mon you boys in green!
TGSC,
Sailing On….
P.S. After YNWA Sunshine On Leith is the best football anthem in the world.
Caller into Clyde tonight (ah know…..sorry….ah listened!) gave a wee preview to BBC programme next Wed claiming Murray hacked into McCann’s phone??!!! Whit???!
Goodnight CQN!
See yees the morra!!
I have all the CQN mags to date, why the change in price/payment method now?
As an auld technophobe what am I missing?
Night Knoxy
Pass on our wishes to Oscar n rest of family
YNWA
There’s no chance the phone hacking stuff is real, if it was then we’d had heard about it ages ago. The BBC stuff is always a few months behind us on here, it’s still good stuff but basically just repeating what’s been posted online for the past few months.
2010 Never Again
Perhaps we should all belatedly take a moment and say thank you to the man who’s vision it was that made Celtic a reality.
Born Andrew Kerins in Ballymote Co, Sligo on May 18, 1840
Happy Birthday Brother Walfrid
Just back from the Q & A in Blantyre.
Superb entertainment big John Fallon and the whole panel for a superb informative evening with some articulate audience participation.
the_huddle on 19 May, 2012 at 00:35 said:
I have heard the phone hacking stuff is very real, however I am unsure if it is part of the BBC’s program.
Just back from the a great night in Blantyre with Paul McC, Paul67 & Phil MacG answering many great questions. Thanks to BlantyreTim for organising tickets.
hh
bjmac
PS if HT is looking in, all the best to the wee one tomorrow. KTF ;-)
Ditto
Thanks BT, magic night !
I cant believe that the BBC would break anything new to us, they just package up what we already know into a nice package for the masses to take in.
If the phone hacking is real then someone needs to release the evidence soon (now) it would be the end game.
Cmon the Sons of the Rock!! Put that mob in their place!!
HH
I’ve attended many Football Talk-In’s in my time but none better than the one held in the Columba Club Blantyre on Friday night.
A big thank you to Paul, Phil & Paul, not just for participation on the panel, but for all you have done for the Celtic cause over many years.
Your pen is the sword and your voice is the cannon.
Here’s to you all, Bold Fenian Men!!
Daily Record 2000
Byline: Colin Wilson
chief executive Allan MacDonald was at the centre of a bugging alert yesterday after a listening device was found at his home.
The surveillance equipment capable of listening into his phone conversations was uncovered after the Parkhead club called in espionage experts.
They were ordered to electronically sweep the homes of senior executives at the club for bugs in an astonishing security operation.
Mr MacDonald, who is standing down today after a turbulent spell in charge of Celtic, confirmed the checks uncovered an illegal receiver.
It was immediately reported to the Home Office.
He said: “Signals from a receiving device in the vicinity of my home were found. No-one can say if it was being used to listen into my phone conversations but it would have been capable of doing so.
“I was surprised, but not greatly, since I had known for some time that someone had been tapping into my mobile phone to listen into my messages.”
The experts in industrial espionage industrial espionage
Acquisition of trade secrets from business competitors. Industrial spying is a reaction to the efforts of many businesses to keep secret their designs, formulas, manufacturing processes, research, and future plans. called in by Celtic reported the unlicensed receiving device to the Home Office after uncovering its signal in or near Mr MacDonald’s home in Edinburgh.
The bug could have been set up in a nearby home or in a car parked outside.
The Home Office refused to discuss the investigation into the bug, which was found about five months ago.
But one source suggested MI5 agents would routinely be alerted to any evidence of unauthorised electronic eavesdropping Secretly gaining unauthorized access to confidential communications. Examples include listening to radio transmissions or using laser interferometers to reconstitute conversations by reflecting laser beams off windows that are vibrating in synchrony to the sound in the room. .
The discovery has prompted speculation of a dirty tricks dirty tricks campaign being waged against Celtic.
Mr MacDonald refused to guess who might have been using the receiver.
He said: “Concerns about industrial esponiage were first aired when Fergus McCannFergus McCann is a Scottish-born Canadian businessman and entrepreneur.
McCann’s wealth stemmed initially from a golf vacation company, based in Montreal and Phoenix, Arizona. He is best known for his involvement in Celtic F.C., the football club based in Glasgow, Scotland.
“There was a certain amout of paranoia that apparently private conversations were somehow getting into the public domain.
“There were never any listening devices found at the stadium .
“But the fact that it was felt necessary to sweep my home only underlines the unease at the club about how information was being obtained by others.”
Mr MacDonald is leaving the Glasgow club to take up a senior post with a Swiss bank.
He also revealed a sick hoaxer had once called the club claiming that his son had been killed in a car crash.
Apologies, that last post was from Sunday Mail (Glasgow, Scotland)
December 31, 2000.