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The trouble football people have with contracts

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You have to wonder about football people sometimes when they appear to not know the difference between a contract and something which is not a contract.  A contract is a signed document committing one or more parties to do something.  For example, Lassad Noiuoiu and Celtic signed a contract committing the player to perform the duties of a footballer and committing Celtic to provide pay and conditions.

Employers can also contractually agree to pay employees money for fulfilling their job, over and above their Contract of Employment, by simply writing the terms down, signing the document and handing it over to the employee.  For a football player, this type of additional contract would need to be registered with the relevant Football Association and tax would be due on it, or else the Karma Police will come round and leave you in tears.

Speaking about his attempts to sign Noiuoiu, Levante’s president said, “During 30 hours of negotiations we closed the transfer with faxes and documents between the two parties”.

“Two parties”, “faxes and documents”?  Let’s be specific, the two parties would need to be Levante and Lassad Noiuoiu and the documents would need to be a Contract of Employment, otherwise it appears that Levante have been the victim of an agent trying to make a deal happen when he was not in control of events.

It will be a bitter pill to swallow for Levante, who appear to have acted with good faith throughout, but as Celtic fans have long known, a new signing is not a new signing until he is running around a football field.

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  1. Laura Brannan ‏@_LauraBrannan

     

     

    Apparantly you pronounce Lassad’s surname Nouioui as new-wee-wee.

  2. Philvis:

     

     

    I will find out how you do it and merealy marvel.

     

    2nd is nowhere…

     

    3rd is less…

     

     

    *grumbles under breath and goes to read atricle*

     

     

    Meeting time!

  3. Paul,

     

     

    Don’t forget the old cast iron Verbal Contract and the paper on which it is written.

     

     

    As watertight as a Poundshop toilet roll.

     

     

    Accompanied by the old handshake, of course.

  4. Snake Plissken

     

    13:35 on

     

    6 September, 2012

     

    Fassreifen

     

    Apparantly you pronounce Lassad’s surname Nouioui as new-wee-wee.

     

    Well that’s just p**h

     

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    Yes but it is fresh p*sh.

  5. saltires en sevilla on

    auldheid

     

     

    13:17 on

     

    6 September, 2012

     

    saltires en sevilla

     

     

    Read Marcoti’s article. He argues (and I agree with him) that there will be more clubs demanding the rules are followed than those wishing to avoid them.

     

     

    —-

     

     

    Methinks that is all bluster. The big clubs have always found ways around such rules.

     

     

    Even our own club made payments to sign players and provided pubs as sweeteners to get around rules back in the day.

     

     

    I am not saying I agree with financial doping and would prefer it didn’t happen

     

     

    I want my club to play with the big boys the money rues are a charade …always have been.

     

     

    There will be a split Manure and Luverpool are up to their necks in it and money will talk in the end

     

     

    We can still manage within a budget and be successful

  6. BMCUW

     

     

    You were right!

     

     

    I missed out part of your email address!

     

     

    I have a good reason for that ‘though – I had partaken of a few glasses of a very fine Nero d’Avola! One of my favourite tipples from the sun-kissed island of Sicily!

     

     

    Cin cin!!

     

     

    HH!!

  7. Paul typical, I just hit post and you post a new article, although I am on topic here !!!

     

     

    Afternoon fellow CQNrs , just back from the ticket office sorting champs league tickets , where the ticket queue were introduced to Lassad, doing his media stuff today. He looked fit although anyone would standing next to Glasgows finest specimens, tall lean in the Sammi mode although clean shaven with short hair !!!

     

     

    Anyway after welcoming him he is now signed up to the wee oscar bucket collection, CRC friday quiz night , the KANO foundation and says he plays off 24 for the next CQN golf day. The bhoy is now one of us welcome

  8. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    Has any media outlet / commentator EVER even mentioned the financial pressure oldco put every team in Scotland under, over the past 20 years, where they spent money they didn’t have …..and cheated EVERY taxpayer to boot …….. They truly are a despicable lot, as are the media, ……and the SFA knew exactly what was going on…

     

     

    HELL MEND THE LOT OF THEM …..

  9. Paul67.

     

     

    Spot on. Have the MSM in Scotland been trying to make something out of this?

     

     

    If so, we should just leave it and the lazy and inaccurate journalists behind us and move on.

     

     

    Árd Macha

  10. Paul67

     

     

    Karma Police having been working overtime on a certain club/company(delete as appropriate) down Govan way…

  11. Guy from FF really on the ball:

     

     

    “Just cancelled Sky and was asked by the guy on the phone why and when I mentioned the usual suspects was asked for some specific examples. My understanding is I will now be emailed for further comment. Can anyone give me some?”

  12. ASonOfDan, 11:07

     

    Interestingly Jelavic was listed as a creditor by D&P a few months ago.

     

    I would presume if the Newco have paid him off (with Everton’s money) then they can’t argue, in principle, that it is not their debt outstanding to Rapid.

     

    The gift that keeps giving

  13. Sanna

     

     

    Yes but I should be docked points for lack of punctuation :-)

     

     

    Nope lunch is for wimps (and people who aren’t trying to lose wight!!)

  14. Good afternoon fellow cqners!!!

     

     

    ‘The Karma police’ I like that one Paul

     

     

    Another idea for a Green Brigade banner maybe??????

  15. thebhoywithmcgraininhisside on

    Sorry for the repost, but it took me awhile to think this through and I was wondering if anyone agreed/ disagreed.

     

     

    Cheers.

     

     

    What really grinds my gears at the moment is in regards to the msm and their view on the reasons for what is happening and why it is happening. Facts are being twisted and/ or decisions declared as nonsensical, in order to maintain the fiction that Lazarus, different one, not that one either, is playing football in the scottish 3rd.

     

     

    As I see it:

     

     

    The reason sevco didn’t get last year’s prize money is because they didn’t win it, rfc(ia) did.

     

     

    The reason the football debts still apply is because sevco didn’t qualify for sfa membership (pesky rules) so a transfer of rfc(ia)’s existing membership was arranged. This came with encumbrances, such as the footballing debts, attached. The legality of such a transfer is debatable, given rfc(ia)’s lax approach to accounting for example, but I digress, this has been done and we are where we are. (See http://tiny.cc/xto7jw).

     

     

    The dual contract issue is important as it may show that players were improperly registered with sfa & spl, and so were in fact ineligible to play competitive football for rfc during the period in question. Whether this registration error was wilful, deliberate or accidental makes no difference to the consequences. (However, it should have a bearing on any penalties to be imposed.) All matches involving these players throughout the period in which they were paid in this way must be rescored 3-0 to the opposition. (See last year’s Sion case, or spartans 2011 & east stirlingshire 2010 in the cup.)

     

     

    For league matches this will of course change the season’s points totals for spl teams and may result in team’s final positions being changed. This may include 1st place. In this eventuality, titles will be moved. Cup matches are more problematical but I assume if rfc won cups whilst playing ineligible players, the trophies will be awarded to the runners up. I can’t think of a feasible, more equitable alternative at the moment.

     

     

    If we pick season 02/03. Rfc won the treble. However, what if ineligible players played in every domestic fixture that season? Firstly rfc would now finish last in the spl, on 0 points, and so should have received money from spl for finishing last. But they received prize money for finishing 1st. I would argue that the difference in the two sums is an overpayment that rfc owes other clubs. In other words, a footballing debt.

     

     

    I would argue that the difference in monies for winning and losing cup finals, is owed by rfc to their opponents in both the sfa and scottish league cups of that year. The same is true for any footballing monies gained due to the incorrect 1st place finish, principally monies gained for competing in uefa champion’s league 2004.

     

     

    This doesn’t include monies that teams may feel they are owed due to, for example, incorrect relegation, nor does it include interest or penalties. Moreover, this is true for every year under investigation.

     

     

    These are outstanding rfc(ia) footballing debts, and, according to the joint statement, they have already been transferred to the new company along with the sfa membership. These are not new debts. They are raised from the date on which rfc incorrectly received the monies.

     

     

    I hope Mr Green has deep pockets and longer arms…

     

     

    Hx2

  16. sannabhoy – Philvis’ receptions are noted in society. (thumbsup)

     

     

     

    Son of Gabriel – It’s my X-Men mutant power.

     

     

    That and an abnormally large thumb, which comes in handy for hitch hiking and Chuck Norris conventions. (thumbsup)

  17. Tim Malone Will Tell on

    DougC,

     

     

    …but where does he stand on the songs debate, poppies and rights and wrongs of free drugs?

     

     

    We dont know the man at all…

  18. hamiltontim

     

     

    The, misuse of punctuation; on this site: by some posters’ is truly, abysmal:

     

     

    H,H!!

  19. Paul67 – Sounds like you’ve been taking advice from PF Ayr.

     

     

    Better call Saul. (thumbsup)

  20. We know all too well Paul67 – Horrible memories of wee Flymo “signing” for us spring to mind.

  21. Raith decided to support sporting integrity, time now to support them and get along to the game.

     

     

    RAITH Rovers are looking forward to taking on the Scottish champions after drawing Celtic in the Scottish Communities League Cup third round.

     

     

     

    And Stark’s Park chief Turnbull Hutton revealed that the trip to Parkhead on Tuesday, September 25, will be a timely financial boost ahead of a difficult month.

     

     

    “October, financially, was looking like a real disaster and it was going to cost unfortunate people on the board a lot of money,” he said.

     

     

    “We have one home game scheduled that month, against Dumbarton at home, which isn’t going to be a huge crowd puller.

     

     

    “The proceeds from this game will make one enormous difference. It’s a real bonus for us and huge credit goes to the players for getting us there.”

     

     

    The match falls in the middle of busy period of SPL and Champions League football for Celtic fans, so prices have been lowered to £12 for adults and £5 for concessions in an attempt to boost the crowd.

     

     

    The match will be all-ticket and Kirkcaldy High Street sports retailer ACA Sports have agreed to sell tickets on Rovers’ behalf.

     

     

    “Celtic’s suggestion was to keep the prices extremely low to get a number in,” Hutton explained. “If we get pricing wrong, the home fans won’t turn up, and we want our players to play in front of the biggest crowd possible.

     

     

    “The boost they will get from this draw, and the experience of playing at Parkhead, is huge and it can only benefit the club going forward.

     

     

    “And who knows, if Celtic decide to rest players, that’s what Ross County did and you saw what happened to them.

     

     

    “We shouldn’t be going as cannon fodder. We’ll go and compete and see what happens”.

  22. wonkyradar

     

     

    13:11 on 6 September, 2012

     

     

    Go placidly amid the noise and haste,……………….

     

     

     

     

    Thanks for that.

     

    It is an absolute joy & a lesson for dealing with our silly distractions.

     

     

    Made my day.

  23. Unless Nouioui actually signed to dotted line with his own signature then levante don’t have a leg to stand on .

     

    I remember judas Johnston holding a Scarf aloft claiming to have resigned for the only club he had ever loved ….

     

    But signed his soul to Satan

  24. I feel we should have a whip-round for Craigy Bhoy. It is the least we can do…

     

     

    EX-Rangers owner Craig Whyte has settled a bitter argument with his estranged wife over a £60,000 luxury car.

     

     

     

    • Wife wants car to settle alimony dispute

     

     

    • Sheriff orders details of deal to be finalised in two weeks

     

     

     

     

     

    The millionaire businessman’s wife had hoped to sell the Bentley in a bid to settle a row over maintenance payments, but the two were finally able to reach an agreement just an hour before a hearing on the matter was due at Inverness Sheriff Court yesterday.

     

     

    Sheriff Margaret Neilson has ordered that the deal be finalised within two weeks.

     

     

     

    It is thought that Whyte had begun negotiations with his wife in order to prevent the car being sold at auction.

     

     

    The latest bid comes after Kim won a previous attempt through the courts to sell the 1996 Bentley, but the sale was halted at the last minute after Whyte’s father Tom’s company stepped in and claimed ownership of the vehicle.

     

     

     

    Craig and Kim Whyte split in 2009 after nine years of marriage and have three children. It is believed that Whyte agreed to pay £5000 a month in maintenance to his wife in a separation agreement.

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