The trouble football people have with contracts

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You have to wonder about football people sometimes when they appear to not know the difference between a contract and something which is not a contract.  A contract is a signed document committing one or more parties to do something.  For example, Lassad Noiuoiu and Celtic signed a contract committing the player to perform the duties of a footballer and committing Celtic to provide pay and conditions.

Employers can also contractually agree to pay employees money for fulfilling their job, over and above their Contract of Employment, by simply writing the terms down, signing the document and handing it over to the employee.  For a football player, this type of additional contract would need to be registered with the relevant Football Association and tax would be due on it, or else the Karma Police will come round and leave you in tears.

Speaking about his attempts to sign Noiuoiu, Levante’s president said, “During 30 hours of negotiations we closed the transfer with faxes and documents between the two parties”.

“Two parties”, “faxes and documents”?  Let’s be specific, the two parties would need to be Levante and Lassad Noiuoiu and the documents would need to be a Contract of Employment, otherwise it appears that Levante have been the victim of an agent trying to make a deal happen when he was not in control of events.

It will be a bitter pill to swallow for Levante, who appear to have acted with good faith throughout, but as Celtic fans have long known, a new signing is not a new signing until he is running around a football field.

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  1. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    TALLYBHOY 0809

     

     

     

    Yes indeed-us Luddites have to stick together.

     

     

    Reply sent.

     

     

    Interesting comments about Bobby Charlton. Unbelievable scoring record-for a midfielder,btw!

  2. Just when you think the lumpen Hun support cannot get any more ridiculous, we have “Dalek-gate”.

     

     

    I swear a large percentage of RFC bloggers and FF posters could well be mentally ill. Paranoid, permanently furious, unable to grasp simple logical concepts… they tick every box.

  3. stevenagebhoy

     

     

    The Celtic online shop , Kitbag and Nike can’t get their act together and supply a decent service to us , the customers / supporters .

     

    Very poor service all round .

  4. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    GOLDSTAR10 0846

     

     

    Well,he brought it on himself then. He should have made it quite clear that he meant the insects.

     

     

    The Ranjurs fans ur blameless in this. Is it any wonder they’re always angry?

     

     

    Like,erm,wasps. And daleks……..

  5. @ FourGreenFields

     

     

    I put an order in a week yesterday. It’s coming to Spain so I am not complaining yet. Read a lot of posts about problems with deliveries so I am a little worried.

  6. Vmhan

     

     

    07:31 on 7 September, 2012

     

     

    So BB goes governmental, or is that Govan Mental. I watched 2 episodes in a row this week even though I was up at 5 AM.

  7. Re the crossbar challenge, it’s simple enough. Unlike the paradise windfall where you have a guaranteed winner of £15k this is screwing the fans over, no one wins any cash if no one hits the crossbar. And from the half way line at Ibrox believe me, no fan in jeans and shoes or gutties ever will so all the prize money is retained. In the unlikley event someone hits the bar during the season the odds are that it will be once only, being the equivalent of just 3 paradise windfalls. For the £1m prize at the end, if they are smart they will insure against it. From experience this will cost maybe £30k and and insurance company takes the risk.

     

     

    Example of this would be hosting a corporate golf day and offering a £30,000 car as a hole-in-one prize at a chosen hole. There’s companies that offer this service to the organiser for about £2k, they bring the car and have a dolly bird sit there all day to make sure no one cheats. Only one in maybe 150 golf days will see someone win the car. By that time the company has sold the car for the day to 150 organisers. Nice profit. Their margin for bad luck and say 3 or 4 or 5 winners is also built in.

     

     

    It’s insurance, it’s hedging, it’s double speak.

     

     

    What’s wrong with one lucky winner definitely winning £15k every game, getting onto the pitch to take a bow with a smile as wide as the Clyde and everyone sees exactly what’s going on?

     

     

    So you see it’s that old smoke and mirrors again down Ibrox way. Old habits die hard.

  8. Celtic really needs to get on top of its customer service across the board.

     

     

    From what I’ve heard and experienced this is whats wrong

     

     

    1. The Online shop is a complete and utter shambles and far far overpriced

     

     

    2. The Superstores are a complete and utter shambles and far far overpriced

     

     

    3. The Ticket Office treat supporters with contempt and disdain

     

     

    4. The prices at the Pie stalls are way OTT and btw ehy can you not buy a small soft drink anymore?

     

     

    5. Players (well at least one young bhoy who has become a scoring sensation recently has been anyway) are being told to refuse to attend any boys club prize giving nights

     

     

    6. Thomas Cook, nuff said

     

     

    Any more?

  9. Green Lantern (((((0))))) on

    Has someone been comparing Sevconians to Daleks? The most angry hostile and barbaric creatures in the Universe.

     

     

    And then there’s the Daleks.

     

     

    LIQUIDATE! LIQUIDATE!

  10. Hi re Breaking Bad myself and mrs m hooked nightly on series 4 via netflix[series 1-4 availble on there to stream /download for £6 per month as well as other films Tv series,Dexter,Nurse Jackie,etc etc]

     

    Very good value and legal stream download quality is excellent,you can also stream it to your big telly via Apple tv or other such device..brilliant series..HH

     

     

    ilikeskylercsc

  11. saltires en sevilla on

    Green Jedi

     

     

    There is a lot that is good !

     

     

    The list is long CL,champs,decent stadium,not playing in 4th tier etc etc

     

     

    However…to your list

     

     

    Access live tv games if living in England and Ireland North of Scotland a d cannot get to games

     

     

    Toilet facilities on march days are woefully inadequate:

     

     

    Not enough WC And run out of hand towels/soap …eejits smoking! I was in Kaiserslautern for Germany 2006 they had toilets there with rows of 20 wc and miles of urinals…in each section of each stand

     

     

    The executive areas are better but not much so it’s a cultural thing methinks

     

     

    Canny bit a beer in the cheap seats either

     

     

    Rant over

     

     

    HH

  12. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000 on

    Good Morning,

     

     

    This is a repost from last night and my apologies if you have already read it– but it is important as many people as possible know about this.

     

     

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    Good Evening,

     

     

    My sister sent me a text last night in which she revealed that she had rceived a message from someone she had never met and had never spoken to. The effect of the text was that the skin and blister felt very humbled and dead chuffed.

     

     

    The text came from the mother of Niamh Curry– the little 5 year old girl who sadly didn’t win her fight with Neuroblastoma and who quietly slipped away in the night a few months ago.

     

     

    My sis had sent her a message on Niamh’s facebook page– just sending condolences and offering some kind words– on the night Niamh died, and this was a belated reply.

     

     

    I want to make sure that each and everyone of us knows the detail of that reply , because this post is not about me or my sister or even Niamh.

     

     

    It is about…… YOU!

     

     

    Less than a year ago, I would bet that the majority of Celtic fans would not be able to tell you what Neuroblastoma was. The position is very different today.

     

     

    That changed because of two things that happened simultaneously.

     

     

    The first was a heart felt plea from Stevie Knox whose wee boy Oscar had just been diagnosed. Stevie explained his condition and put a plea out on here for those of us who could to donate blood….. because Oscar had needed blood and it was in such shortage in Northern Ireland that the blood had to come from Scotland.

     

     

    The second? Well the second was the fight against the disease by a remarkeable wee girl called Vanessa Riddle who has defied all and every set of odds in staying alive. Vanessa is an older child, and older children… well lets just say that their chances are less than good,

     

     

    However the real point of this post is to focus on the effect that the Vanessa Riddle campaign for funds had…….. an effect that went way beyond Vanessa and her immediate family.

     

     

    Picture the scene in your head when you are told that your child- of any age- has a violent cancer which is terminal but will not be treated here under certain circumstances. Think of the stomach lurch that comes with the doctors trying to tell you that the chances of survival are say 15% or even less. Thinlk of the slight ray of hope when you are told that the cancer can be treated elsewhere….. but that it will cost hundreds of thousands of pounds…. which you don’t have, and how you would initially react to someone saying ” but if you make an appeal for funds, people will give……”.

     

     

    It would be hard to take in under normal circumstances, but Dear Lord God almighty, how hard must it be to take it all in under those circumstances?

     

     

    Vanessa Riddle had to raise £500,000.

     

     

    I remember getting the call telling me of Vanessa’s story and the suggestion being made that perhaps I could write about it on CQN and see if I could drum up some support amongst Celtic fans. Now to be clear, other Celtic fans were also contacted on Kerrydale Street and elsewhere– and so a few of us started to write about Vanessa Riddle– because Vanessa herself was a Celtic fan having been quietly visited by the team some time earlier.

     

     

    That night, her totaliser stood at £9,000 or so.

     

     

    Again I have to stress that others, especially the whole of the town of Troon, started to raise money like fury. After Vanessa had been on TV and had gone to meet the players at Lennoxtoun, she was fetted and hosted by both the SFA and by Rangers.

     

     

    But… it was the role of Celtic Football Club and the fans of Celtic Football Club which created the Vanessa Riddle legacy and phenomenon.

     

     

    Vanessa won the Just Giving Campaign of the month just once– for the one full month her campaign ran below total– because within a week or so after that one full month, she was able to smash through her target.

     

     

    She is still collecting and the Just giving total now stands at over £735,000– and I know that there were donations– large donations that never went through the just giving page.

     

     

    By this time, Celtic and the Celtic faithful had taken an interest in Neuroblastoma. The profile of the disease and the Neuroblastoma Alliance had shot through the roof.

     

     

    The campaign for Niamh Curry started.. some of you may remember the idea of the Niamh Curry Pledge– where the performance of the team influenced the amount given.

     

     

    As I said– sadly — wee Niamh didn’t make it.

     

     

    I will confess to shedding a tear when Vanessa broke through her target…. and crying a small bucket when I got the news of Niamh’s passing.

     

     

    Now we have Oscar, Alfie Sharpe from Kilmarnock and many more kids with this dreadful but treatable disease.

     

     

    And so I come to the message from Mrs Curry– it was simply this.

     

     

    She wanted to thank me and my sis for our help, kind words and condolences.

     

     

    However she wanted a message passed on which was that she wanted to thank everyone in green and white– for all the support which was given to Niamh and the whole family by this remarkeable group of people who follow a football team.

     

     

    She also pointed out that when her family were at a real low, when Niamh was scheduled to start school with her other friends but couldn’t, when there was a real sense of doom and gloom– the whole family got a sudden and unexpected boost because they saw money and good wishes start to flood in from the supporters of Glasgow Celtic Football Club.

     

     

    These were people they had never met, didn’t know, had no personal connection with, but because the Celtic Family moved en masse the Curry’s burden was eased.

     

     

    Long after Niamh’s death, the Curry’s are still campaigning– and as I understand it the money raised in her name– and still being raised— was then passed on for the benefit of another child with the same condition. Mrs Curry says in her message that she is excited and delighted that Celtic PLC and the fans of Celtic Football Club have taken Neuroblastoma on as an official charity.

     

     

    However think of this.

     

     

    A year or so on, there are still more children being diagnosed with this dreadful disease, and still more parents having that stomach lurching conversation about chances, raising money, putting out an appeal.

     

     

    But now there is a new element– and forgive me if I poke a little fun at a remarkeable reality. Imagine being such a parent, getting that news, being spoken to about appeals and raising money and then someone gently asking……. ” I don’t suppose you or anyone in your family supports Celtic”?

     

     

    At such a time it seems a ludicrous question, and worthy of the strangest of looks and an incredulous reaction.

     

     

    Yet the reality is, the fans of Celtic Football Club have become a real force for hope and for good for anyone who has to face this disease.

     

     

    You, the guys at the quiz night for Vanessa, those who raised money for Niamh, and most importantly the guys involved in the forefront of raising money for Oscar— you are the heroes in this story and it is to you I have to pass on the message from Mrs Curry.

     

     

    Individually and collectively you have no idea what the impact of Celtic the Club can be…. it goes way beyond the donation of a few quid……the movement of the fans in wanting to combat this disease for these children touches the soul and the very being of family members, neighbours, friends, the kids themselves and many many more– people you have never met and will never meet.

     

     

    That is both astonishing and outstanding— yet it is just what Walfrid set out to achieve.

     

     

    So please continue to support Oscar and any other kids with this condition, and fight against Neuroblastoma in general. I am in awe of the efforts and the strength of purpose for the Oscar campaign and have huge admiration for the guys involved– just huge!

     

     

    Quite separately there are moves afoot at Celtic Park to take some huge initiatives on the charity front– moves which will grab significant media attention and which will hopefully move people far beyond any ordinary charity appeal whilst also celebrating our charity based routes and the fact that we are the most remarkeable football club in the world. The world is about to learn that Celtic are coming and what that means.

     

     

    The first part of that initiative is coming shortly.

     

     

    In the interim, keep fighting for Oscar– if everyone going to see Celtic play Barca on 7th November gives a fiver then Oscar reaches his traget– it is that simple.

     

     

    I am incredibly proud of being a follower of this football club and being part of a movement which 125 years on really does make a difference to the lives of total strangers and good people who have needs and troubles that I can’t begin to imagine.

     

     

    It is just an honour and a blessing to be part of such a club.

     

     

    Lastly, I don’t normally apologise for the lengths of my posts, but I am sorry if this has been long– but it was necessary, as you all need to know the effect Celtic has had on the family of a wee girl we did some fighting for.

     

     

    Thankyou for reading, take care and remember we really do make a difference.

     

     

    BRTH

     

     

    PS Honestly if you skimmed through this or jumped by it because of length– please go back and take the time to read it.

     

     

    Cheers.

     

     

     

     

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    Now, please donate to the Oscar Knox appeal– it is genuinely very important for Oscar, his family….. and oh so many people that you just don’t or can’t think about.It gives others with Neuroblastoma hope and can brighten the darkest day or hour for some.

     

     

    You only win an Oscar for acting……. not for just reading the Script!

     

     

    And our Oscar is something to be treasured.

     

     

    So tonight if you are thinking about a couple of pints in the pub– stick a fiver or a tenner in the Oscar fund– It WILL make a difference.

     

     

    http://www.justgiving.com/oscarappeal

     

     

    Cheers

     

     

     

    BRTH

  13. Huns, Orcs and now Daleks!!!

     

     

    Rape, pillage and now extermination!!!

     

     

    Could not happen to nicer ‘peepul’!

     

     

    HH!!

  14. Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000

     

    23:10 on

     

    6 September, 2012

     

     

     

    Thanks for this post.

  15. johann murdoch

     

     

    09:41 on

     

     

    That is where I’m watching it. I have resisted watching it for ages, it has been there to watch for ages.

     

     

    I decided to fill in the lengthy questionaire through email netflix sent me 2 weeks or so ago. The one thing I could not fault them about, was the TV series they have got on their downloads. I guess I was a wee bit snobby and criticised their film selection, I tried to do it constructively though. LOL

     

     

    Fantastic service IMO.

  16. Morning CQNer’s

     

     

    BlantyreKev

     

     

    09:28 on 7 September, 2012

     

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    Just a wee queery if you don’t mind.

     

    Say, for example – 60k fans buy the paradise windfall – 15k prize money

     

    where does the rest of the windfall money go ?

     

    Only asking.

     

    Maybe we have to get our own house in order before we make cheap assumptions about anyone else. imo.

     

    Hail Hail

  17. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    GREEN LANTERN

     

     

    HATE!!!! HATE!!!!

     

     

    (It’s what they do…….)

  18. Green Lantern (((((0))))) on

    petec. I see you have subscribed to Netflix. Have been thinking of doing this myself but have been put off by the apparent paucity of choice re films.

     

    Am I correct in assuming this or is there more on offer than appears at first?

  19. Kev

     

     

    The profit from the Windfall Draw goes into the Pools Development Fund. Obviously after the sellers & Winner are paid and the admin/printing expenses.

     

     

    The Pools Development fund goes into our Youth Development Programme

  20. Good morning CQNrs, I have a couple of questions, and I know I will find the answers here.

     

     

    I will be in the U.K at the end of November/ beginning of December, and was thinking that I might try to get to the Spartak game. Is it possible at the moment for non season ticket holders to get along to European games?

     

     

    Does the ticket office put tickets for general sale once season ticket holders have bought theirs? Or does anybody know how to get a ticket. I might be able to get one from my old bus, but it’s good to keep your options open. I wouldn’t know if I have one till a week or so before the game, so if I can guarantee a ticket before that it would be great.

     

     

    Before the game against the Russians we play Hearts, I will be doing a course in Uttoxeter at that time. Does anybody know the location of Celtic supporter clubs in either Derby or Stoke that I can watch the match (if televised).

     

     

    H H

  21. Kev

     

     

    BTW its no where near 60000 fans buying tickets, I think its roughly about 15000 – 20000 tickets on a really really good day

  22. BMCUW

     

     

    Got your email buddy.

     

     

    Will reply shortly – going out for a walk (to the bar)!

     

     

    Bloody alky, I know – but I’m bored because there is no proper fitba to look forward to this week-end!

     

     

    HH!!

  23. Green Lantern (((((0)))))

     

     

    I am not a big fan of TV and don’t watch enough films but I am very happy with the Netflix service.

     

     

    ATM you won’t get the films that are advertised regularly but there is still a decent selection of movies.

     

     

    Netflix comes into its own with the full back catalogue of critically acclaimed TV.

     

     

    I slaughtered their Film choices in the questionaire but praised their TV highly just because it deserved it, and as I said earlier, I’m not a big TV fan.

  24. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    Tallybhoy

     

    10:00 on

     

    7 September, 2012

     

    BMCUW

     

     

    Got your email buddy.

     

     

    Will reply shortly – going out for a walk (to the bar)!

     

     

    Bloody alky, I know – but I’m bored because there is no proper fitba to look forward to this week-end!

     

     

    HH!!

     

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    What a co-incidence,I’m going there myself shortly.

     

     

    Late on parade as it is.

     

     

    First one in gets the beers!

  25. KEV Jungle

     

     

    If you have ever bought a windfall ticket I think you would have seen where money goes printed on it.

     

     

    Just saying like…

  26. KevJungle:

     

     

    It helps fund the youth system, which costs literally millions a year to operate.

     

     

    I actually feel guilty when I don’t buy one at home games.

     

     

    HH

  27. KevJungle,

     

     

    It is going to be Great, what are the reservations you have about Celtic playing in the Champions League?

     

     

    I can’t see many, if any myself. We have a young team that can only learn by going against better teams.