First Minister Nicola Sturgeon called what happened in Glasgow on Saturday “violence and vandalism and vile anti-Catholic prejudice”. No holding back from Newco’s often-reluctant combatant.
On Friday, I suggested those who believe in Scottish or Glaswegian superiority should reappraise themselves on the streets on the city the following day. Our society’s underbelly was as clear as it was predictable. I could argue it is uglier than most places I know.
With George Square filled exclusively with illegally-assembled Newco fans, the combatants turned on each other; reliving the violence earlier generations of Oldco fans brought to cities across Britain and beyond. There is no peer-control, no one cares enough about this particular reputation, certainly not the club that asked, “If possible, please celebrate within your own community.” When “If possible” statements are permitted, you know what you are dealing with.
Some of us are mere football fans, not trying to compensate for a whole range of inadequacies. If possible, let them wait another decade before they have another trophy to celebrate.
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SQUIRE DANAHER on 17TH MAY 2021 4:41 PM
ERNIE LYNCH on 17TH MAY 2021 4:21 PM
‘But your position is that we need Westminster supervision and protection. You now say that they can’t provide this.’
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That’s not what I’m saying at all.
I’m saying that someone banging a Lambeg in a room 10′ x 10′ will have more impact that someone banging a Lambeg in a room 35′ x 35′
And the factors I mentioned relating to the downfall of the huns: the City of London Police, their banking arrangements and HMRC did not involve Westminster supervision and protection.
Simple things by referring to that sh*tshow as a “Celebration”
No showing clips on tele. The old legal advise line.
The appear to only roll that out for them.
MARTIM1980 on 17TH MAY 2021 5:20 PM
Yes history has an impact, but legally you can not assert blame on those not currently in power or did not making any decisions leading to and including Saturday’s sh*t show.
so years of gerrymandering,inbuilt societal bias had nothing to do with 6 of irelands 32 counties poppin in 1969?
The bigotry you seek to change in a day has been built up over years,handy for the tories to use in preserving the union
Never heard any politician from labour/tory ever condemn anti catholic and anti irish singing.never.heard it from swinney and sturgeon maybe things are changing.
the pressure is on.
ERNIE LYNCH on 17TH MAY 2021 5:51PM
Only if you accept that the people responsible for managing the 10’ x 10’ are not prepared to do anything about it compared to what you clearly think has been the efforts of the 35’ x 35’
Need to go now
AN TEARMANN on 17TH MAY 2021 5:55 PM
We’re talking about decisions to allow that to happen on Saturday.
Those in power currently made those decisions.
If we can’t accept that, then the levels to protect those we are politically alligned have lost us as a society.
You could just say yes, The Police and Govt made the decisions.
You can admit that right?
AN TEARMANN on 17TH MAY 2021 4:59 PM
maditch
HMRC — AS wanted them to tread lightly in the Big Tax Case and then accept some sort of CVA.
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incorrect.
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Salmond phoned HMRC on 11th January 2012 to try to persuade them to do a deal with the huns. That’s a matter of public record.
Is taking of the knee in scottish football still required then?
Or do we focus on genuine Scottish problems?
Perhaps two knees down, ‘Catholic Lives Matter’ or similar.
STATEMENT from the chief of police ….
Some still wont be happy !!!
https://youtu.be/NBGOryiqZZI
https://www.azquotes.com/quotes/topics/media-control.html
BTW is that a Lambeg drum I hear? Best ignore it in case it gets louder.
ADI_DASSLER NOT FOR 2ND BEST on 17TH MAY 2021 4:36 PM
Abbreviation hour…back later
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TTFN.
I made a decision today in work. I’m responsible for it.
Not the dud who used to do my job or anyone in the last century.
That should read “dude” 🤣😂
STV showing hun player vid…..shockeroony
MARTIM1980 on 17TH MAY 2021 5:41 PM
AN TEARMANN on 17TH MAY 2021 5:36 PM
No. No one in history made decisions that lead to Saturday. Current Police Seniors. Current Politcal leaders did.
Can’t change that, sorry.
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This bigotry is all nats fault
nothing to do with tory inaction
and their capitalist bedfellows Labour.
only 20 year old..
context.historical context is all
vid must be gen up
Rangers Antics 4th story on STV news
🤣🤣
no need to change Martim i leave our discourse with a smile
your right.duds then and now.
hh
AN TEARMANN on 17TH MAY 2021 6:11 PM
You’re talking mince now.
You are doing the very thing that makes this worse. You are creating a defence for the indefensible.
It saddens me.
I have commented today that there was probably a power struggle between Govt Police.
But you can’t even admit who is responsible for Saturday, who made the decisions.
Saturday was entirely preventable.
Recent decisions made at Govt and Police level allowed it to happen.
End of.
An Tearman
“Never heard any politician from labour/tory ever condemn anti catholic and anti irish singing.”
We often can mistake our own faulty memory or an unawareness of an event for it not happening at all.
Both George Galloway and Brian Wilson have caled it out. You could hardly have forgotten George’s many statements on record but in case you forgot Brian Wilson’s, I enclose one example from an article that was ostensibly about the Gaelic language. We may disagree about some of the sentiments expressed but canot deny that they were stated forcibly. I had higher hopes for SNP Republicans like Roseanna Cunningham and Tommy Shephard but they proved to be lobber foddy and willing recruits to the “one’s as bad as the other” debate:-
“What is it about Gaelic that brings out the playground bully in a steady stream of Scottish commentators who, on other matters, would preen themselves on the liberalism of their opinions? The front page of a Scottish newspaper this week carried the ludicrous, patronising teaser: “Does Gaelic matter? Let the battle begin.” And who, pray, has decreed that a “battle” is required to determine whether a language, far less the people who speak it, “matter”. And matter to whom?
It was appropriate that this appeared on the same day as a report which dismantled the idea that Scotland is less racist than other parts of the UK. One reason for this delusion, it suggested, is that anti-Catholic bigotry has been classified as “sectarianism” rather than racism, where it belongs.
Hostility to Gaelic, and hence to Gaels, might be placed in the same category. It has been going on for centuries within Scotland but even then it seems remarkable that in the year of grace 2018, it is deemed “normal” to question the very right to existence of a linguistic and cultural minority.
“Does Urdu matter? Let the Battle Begin.” “Does Polish matter? Let the Battle Begin” … It is inconceivable that such headlines would appear. Nor should they. Yet Gaelic retains its appointed status as a punch-bag for prejudice within the only society on earth that can determine whether it will live or die.
The Gaelic scholar John MacInnes has written of the “remarkably consistent hostility to Gaelic” through the ages. To much of Scotland, via both church and state, the Gaels were always “the other” and the answer lay in eliminating the linguistic distinction. The miracle is not that Gaelic is weak but that it has survived at all, in the face of what history has thrown at it.
The latest twist in a very old tale involves efforts on both fringes of the Scottish constitutional issue to turn Gaelic into its adjunct. This is another travesty in the making and should be nipped in the bud. There is nothing worse for a minority language than to be captured as a political totem and rendered divisive on that basis. We do not have to look far for confirmation. The government of Northern Ireland remains in abeyance largely because of an absurd argument about the status of the Irish language. Sinn Fein wants to capture it. The DUP is so intellectually dim that it has dug itself into the stand-off.
Scotland – and particularly those who have Gaelic’s interests at heart – would be mad to allow the same kind of division to develop, as a by-product of the constitutional debate. Over the past 40 years, to my certain knowledge, all political parties have been supportive of Gaelic and that is how it must remain.
In the early 1980s, George Younger created a ring-fenced budget within the Scottish Office to allow for the development of Gaelic-medium education. This was absolutely crucial and has survived to the present day. The Tories also created the Gaelic Broadcasting Fund which was the first vital step towards the creation of a television channel.
Also in the early ’80s, I wrote a Gaelic policy for the Labour Party built around three pillars – education, broadcasting and status. These were the days of the big Labour-run regions and along with the excellent Colin Spencer, a Mancunian who worked for An Comunn Gaidhealach, we met councillors from them all.
Malcolm Green, the erudite chairman of education in Strathclyde, needed to be convinced of the intellectual case for Gaelic, but once that was achieved he put the full weight of that mighty authority behind it, carrying on a tradition of support for Gaelic education which has existed in Glasgow since the 1940s.
In Lothian, outstanding councillors like John Crichton, Phyllis Herriot and Eric Milligan, with absolutely no prior knowledge of the subject, listened, were convinced and acted with enthusiasm. The success of Gaelic at James Gilliespie’s and then a dedicated primary school became a source of great pride.
I remember a meeting with Central Region where the education chairman represented a mining village. “I’ve folk who can’t afford to put shoes on their children’s feet,” he said, “and you’re asking us to spend money on Gaelic … but if it’s party policy, we’ll do it.” And they did. With parallel developments in the Highlands and Western Isles, foundations were laid for the current Gaelic-medium network.
There is a legitimate debate (which also exists in Ireland) about whether the “numbers game” of expanding Gaelic-medium schools in cities is at the expense of prioritising communities where the language is in daily use but the thread of continuity is slender. That feeds into socio-economic issues in these places – for without people there is no language.
It should be possible to have these discussions about means not ends without them being turned into bogus controversies which invariably end up with the same dreary cliches, probably with the aid of radio phone-ins, about whether or not Gaelic “matters”.
By chance, I came across a press report from 1960 when the great singer and political activist Paul Robeson visited Glasgow. He confirmed he had been “keeping up with his Gaelic studies and demonstrated his proficiency by reading a passage from one of his well-thumbed text-books”. Robeson added: “Hebridean songs are very important to me because they represent music built on a world language, the pentatonic scale, and in the world language they are among the most beautiful.”
It was one small reminder that in the Gaelic language and culture, Scotland has a priceless asset. Remarkably, it still stands a chance as a living language for generations to come. Let’s just get on with doing our best towards that outcome for the alternative would shame us deeply.”
GARNGAD TO CROY on 17TH MAY 2021 6:13 PM
Rangers Antics 4th story on STV news
Mate at least it was on
RIMTIMTIM on 17TH MAY 2021 4:57 PM
When did scottish football clubs ever celebrate victories at George Square?
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Once again we see the close parallels between the IbroxKlan & the SNPcult.
The recent ‘gathering’ in George Square phenonena was started by the ‘blood & soil’ Nationalists. Rallies are set there to openly show triumphalism and hatred & to ‘own’ Scotland’s largest city – to goad opponents and to profess hatred in a most prominent public setting.
Hatred ignites the fervour. George Square gives it legitimacy. The IbroxKlan hate the Catholics and the SNPcult hate the English.
These entitled fanatics are ‘two cheeks of the same **se’ – both have history of antagonism against the Catholic/Irish population in Scotland. The SNPcult cunningly disguises it at this moment in time. It cons the ‘converts’ in our midst who believe they are “sticking to the huns” by voting for SNPcult & Independence.
How can our people not see that they are being used?
Why can’t they understand that scenes like Saturday will be the norm in an independent Scotland?
How stupidly naive can some people be?
Rangers antics lead story on BBC Scotland news
Good questions raised by Chris McLaughlin.
In fairness.
Journo asking questions in 2021? It’ll never catch on.
Secvo sound like Trump PR tactics.
How the france could they have investigated in this short time to verify truth. No chance.
GARNGAD TO CROY on 17TH MAY 2021 6:34 PM
I was surprised they actually mentioned it neither mind first item.
Hun defence of course was it was a fake😰😵
FOURSTONECOPPI on 17TH MAY 2021 6:11 PM
vid must be gen up
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Wouldnt surprise me if they claim its fake and blame the hurting Tims trying to besmirch their🤣🤣🤣 good name .
wonder if JHB got his flag back down from the lamp post yet
Jabba still on the huns payroll going by their statements, his mucky mitts all over it, I seen that video on Saturday night, very easy for Police Scotland to source the phone where it came from, but they won’t ,huns predictably saying it’s doctored…..it has been now….
SFTB ref this
By chance, I came across a press report from 1960 when the great singer and political activist Paul Robeson visited Glasgow. He confirmed he had been “keeping up with his Gaelic studies and demonstrated his proficiency by reading a passage from one of his well-thumbed text-books”. Robeson added: “Hebridean songs are very important to me because they represent music built on a world language, the pentatonic scale, and in the world language they are among the most beautiful.”
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https://www.scotsman.com/arts-and-culture/gaelic-speaking-slaves-18th-century-america-559162
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2021/05/17/when-a-poundland-pr-effort-cannot-put-out-the-fire/
How stupidly naive can some people be?
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Well you calculated 60% of Catholics/Irish/Celtic supporters are stupid and sectarian, so it’s not surprising that they are naive as well.
JHBlogic CSC
Sometimes our club are soft and sometimes they go for the buck but one thing you cant criticise them for is for having a level of class and dignity. Sometimes maybe too much. Those scenes from inside Ibrox on Saturday and are an utter disgrace not just to football but to civilisation in this country. Douglas Park has enabled this and he has a lot to answer for.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scottish
looks like a large minority to me
!!BADA BING!! on 17TH MAY 2021 6:54 PM
Not sure they will either, but, original recording would be on phone even if deleted.
If uploaded onto social media would still be original would still be in their cloud.
Big question, as you say, how much do they want to find original…..
JHB,
your typing absolute cak again.
I didnt see any Nationlist rioting in Scotland or abuse of immigrants, there in no Klan aspect to them.
There is a match on now which could be significant for Celtic if we can believe press talk.
English Championship playoff between Bournemouth and Brentford.
Currently nil nil at half time.
Maybe Ivan Toney will deliver Peter Lawwells masterplan and score the goals for Brentford which will free up Eddie Howe’s backroom team to join us soon.
(I’m sheltering in a secret nuclear bunker so don’t try to hunt me down)