I bought my first tranche of Celtic shares in 1994 but when Fergus offered his shares to the fans (1999?) I was not in a position take up the offer. Few of us did, as a consequence, Fergus sold most of his holding to Dermot Desmond.
It was a pity, as I liked the democratic feel of wider share ownership. Subsequently, when the club needed money in 2001 and 2005, share offers were not taken up widely by the support, so perhaps share concentration was always likely. When the club itself was in jeopardy the support dug deep, Fergus famously commenting on how those queuing up in 1994 to pay money for Celtic shares, clearly had little income. The subsequent share issues were about rebuilding the squad and training complex, less emotive topics.
Still, it is important to me to be a shareholder, I know many of us feel the same. We can call the executive to account and, as there are many thousands of us, we represent with wider support, immune from fads.
The Trust yesterday proposed shares are issued instead of refunds to season ticket holders, who were unable to attend in person this season. In case it needs said, while we received rights to view games online, many families earned no incremental benefit for additional season tickets held in the same household. Some families, including mine, paid for several tickets to get the exactly same service as a family with one ticket. And on top of everything else, there was the football……
Unlike others, Celtic chose to offer a partial refund on tickets for last season to compensate for games not played. That is not going to happen this season for a variety of reasons. For a start, if the season completed, a refund (optional or otherwise) would not be due. Most significantly, they spent the money. Our ticket revenue is not just to maintain access to the stadium, it pays for Odsonne and his pals. I doubt a single club in Europe will offer refunds – and if I’m being brutally honest with you, the only money I want to see leaving the club is for a new manager and players.
I suspect the Trust feel the same, which is no doubt why they proposed a share issue. It is a question worth asking – and it keeps wider share ownership on the agenda. I can also imagine the next shareholders meeting if shares were issued on a voluntary basis! Anyway, if you can afford it, buy shares, own a piece of Celtic (that will forever unlikely be diluted to compensate for poor value from the season ticket).
The Scottish Government is the recipient of an angry letter from Newco on social distancing measures, or the lack thereof. “When you swim with the sharks”, springs to mind. They are a social and health risk to the country. Put them back in their box at the first opportunity, Celtic. It was correct the club Tweeted last night that they are not half of anything, in reference to their bus supplier’s “half of the Old Firm” comment. A whole lot more clarity on this and related matters would be appreciated. If the bus suppliers gets away with dragging our name into social unrest elsewhere, what damage could the sanitaryware company do? A line has been crossed. There will be no end to it Celtic – unless you put an end to it……
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Does anyone seriously think the Celtic Board will every say unequivocally that the huns died and that the current mob are a new club?
DAVID66 on 11TH MARCH 2021 5:48 AM
Neil Lennon as DOF or back in some capacity.
Good one.
Ernie- no.
Jackiemac @ 7:29 last night-
I know we collapsed this season and made it easier for this year’s champions to win more so than they could have dreamt. I get it that it was us.
However, like many of us predicted on here – the refs had their say-
The 2018-2019 champions received 49 yellow cards that season.
The 2020-2021 champions are their way to recieve 29 yellow cards over the 38 games.
Using the Poisson distribution formula, if the 49 cards per season is a true mean, the chance of champions getting 29 yellow cards is 0.06 %. That is 6 hundredths of 1 % !
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My maths isn’t great – is 49 the mean? Can we use that or is 49 an unusual number too.
I’ll try and have a look myself- after I’ve checked the difference between mean and average… 😬
FESS19 on 11TH MARCH 2021 2:57 AM
Hi there FESS19 – just checking – are you OK with the clarification young CHAIRBHOY gave at 07:01 ?
HH pal
BGFC
There are some truly sick
sleekit internet trolls
oooot there.
HHH.
CHAIRBHOY @7.01am
Agree completely with your setting out of the timeline and your analysis.
I have written on this subject in the past but obviously what we are witnessing is a direct consequence of the strategic commercial gamble that Peter Lawwell and the Celtic Board made to quietly support the reemergence of a weakened Rangers. If the price of that strategic decision was to remain silent as the same club, historic honours was peddled then so be it. We could never have stopped something like a Rangers emerging from the ashes but Peter&Co were clearly spooked by the loss of a major competitor and all the financials that they believed flowed from that competition. It is this very narrow Old Firm view of the world that led us into adopting such a stand and then having to pretend that we had no part in it that galls.
It would be fascinating to understand if any other options were considered such as Celtic genuinely going it alone ( as was claimed) and really attempting to build a club to participate in European competitions with all the financial gains available.
What we decided on was, in my opinion, a high risk strategy, believing that we would remain that bit stronger than a new Rangers. That was the ( wrong) benchmark.
A moments thought when that strategic decision was made should have identified the social and political risk to Celtic. What we are seeing on the streets of Glasgow is a direct result of poor decision making by Peter Lawwell and the Celtic Board .
We have got ourselves into a fine mess. If you sup with the Devil.
Ernesto………..
I’d like to think they would..( but they won’t) …but even if we did now, it would just ring hollow. The time to do i was back in 2012 – the whole mess would have been easier to deal with.
Now, Dominic has one red hand tied behind his back, sadly.
GARCIA LORCA on 11TH MARCH 2021 10:56 AM
…absolutely.
To use my big mate’s fantastically-mixed metaphor:
“If ye fly wi the craws, ye get tarred wae the brush !!”
HH
BGFC
Bankiebhoy1…@ 10.54…
Aye, ooot there….and quite often pop in here, tae test the waater, so tae speak.😉
Weebobby…….
Indeed.
SQUIRE DANAHER on 11TH MARCH 2021 8:11 AM
That’s true in terms of why Kennedy’s odds will shorten but Howe’s odds are drifting in relation to others too.
It’s been said that he’d prefer the EPL – closer to the south coast if possible.
I think the Palace and possibly Southampton jobs may be available in the summer.
GARCIA LORCA on 11TH MARCH 2021 10:56 AM
CHAIRBHOY @7.01am
‘What we decided on was’
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Enough with the ‘we’ already.
‘We’ didn’t decide anything. In reality one individual decided what would happen, and a handful of others went along with what he said was to happen.
ERNIE LYNCH on 11TH MARCH 2021 10:46 AM
Not a hope in hell moreover wouldn’t be surprised that whoever sent out that tweet was unauthorized and will be sanctioned
The social media thing grates with me a bit…….I’m all for it, I’m a digital optimisdt but I wish the Club would realise it’s the fans that are it’s best medium.
The Faith ahs been kept but it’s time that Faith is repaid in meaningful action. It’s well overdue.
The huns have the PR edge always – we should be clear about where our priorities are now.
That it has come to this is sad.
Have we told thum to shove the weekend game yet?
We should take the initiative, the season couldn’t get any worse(er)
HH
i got a rake of ‘memories’ on FB today as it was 3 years since the 3-2 game at Ibrox.
Key thing i took from watching the goals again was that we transitioned the ball quickly, despite Rodgers’ possession philosophy, and that having a direct CF made all the difference
e.g.,
Dembele goal came from a good pass from Brown from RB position but this happened because when Brown looked up while under pressure, he saw Dembele making a run on last defender and Sinclair doing the same off to the left. High percentage chance of clearing the danger and turning it into a chance
For the winner we were at 10 men but Edouard was at left attacker and Dembele still at CF. Really sharp pass from Dembele first time put Edouard in
Conclusion: our lack of movement up front and desire to step out for ball to feet is ruining our flow. An out and out striker may unlock our forward play again but we really need another Sinclair on the left, Edouard could do it but probably for the off
PS
I must have been really annoying on FB that day with 6 videos posted. i was very drunk to be fair
Why are we continually on the wrong end of decisions at the expense of our Glasgow neighbours?
Why is Ibrox continually on the right end of important decisions, the most recent surrounding Covid?
The overriding reason of course is that ‘they’ are the majority, and ‘we’ are the minority, in Scotland.
Why the can’t some of our supporters & their families appreciate our grave danger in an independent Scotland where our advisories will be bigger, more powerful & influential fish in a smaller pool.
Surely to God there are enough glaring historic examples – from the original SNP/Church of Scotland famine song in the 30’s/40’s, to, “what school did you go to” at job interviews up until the 70’s.
Nothing has really changed – our schools & culture will squeezed when the de-facto bankrupt ‘new’ Scotland has to make difficult economic choices- how long will it take for some of us to wake up & smell the SNP cult con?
CONEYBHOY- look at how fit that team was with 10 men,compared to now….
GARCIA LORCA @ 10:56 AM,
Thank you for the, as always, eloquent and informed response.
Yes, it seems to me you have always been spot on with your assessments.
Your feeling that PL was spooked into these actions, rather than the less generous (to PL) conspiratorial theories I feel is also correct.
The fact is we would always have had a Rangers. Yet if they had to start from ground zero as the rules dictated and the old club were censured to the full extent then that new entity could well have been a very different more reasoned and compliant Club.
I’m not at all sure from looking at recent events that this Board would have had the motivation and wherewithal to properly analyse and if necessary implement different options. Maybe doing them an injustice, they could just be tired, but it has long been my view that they weren’t creative or ambitious enough.
The teir three UCL approach as I called it; where we attempt to put together a squad capable of qualifying for the UCL, being reasonably competitive at the league stage and looking at the Europa after the new year. Was to me a very realistic benchmark.
However whenever I raised it in the past, often others who seemed to have deeper insight said that strategy was too risky.
Ironic now that the BR era showed that the “teir 3” option was not only realistic but led to record; turnover, profits, squad value, not to mention the domestic dominance, the invincibles and trebles.
And this current season has shown, as you predicted, the “old firm” model that was high risk.
Hail Hail
Garcia Lorca
Spot on.
new article posted.
Awe_Naw_No_Nae_Noo_Article_Oan_Anaw_Noo
Can’t see the new article but I just popped in to ask if anyone watched Debate Night on BBC Scotland last night. The liquidated team were being roundly attacked by the SNP chappie when Stephen Jardine, the host, had to mention us too. Ragtag. I didn’t listen to anymore.
PAUL67 on 11TH MARCH 2021 12:10 PM
new article posted.
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Where?
D :)
ONENIGHTINLISBON on 11TH MARCH 2021 10:47 AM
DAVID66 on 11TH MARCH 2021 5:48 AM
Neil Lennon as DOF or back in some capacity.
Good one.
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Onenight – lets be clear I am not suggesting that.
I read it on a blog.
He should not be near our club unless as a paying customer.
D :)
Cannae find the new article mibbay its deid.
You cannae beat the cuurants! 8 years to plan a flyover an empty stafium ;-)))))
“STADIUM “feqqing predictive text
Fake new post…
Drew – Wolves are apparently interested in him.
Portugal is a market we should be looking at more – out with the Top 3, we can outmatch the others on fees and wages, and their players tend to have a good mix of skill and toughness which would be useful for our league setup. As I say, surprised the only guy we bought from there was Balde, which begs questions on the scale and quality of our scouting there.
New Article now up!
Great piece from chairbhoy . Makes you wonder if it’s worth our while ,they have every avenue sown up aided and abetted by those characters that are our board . Watched the goings on in George square on Sunday ,one big polis stood out with his short sleeved shirt to show of his union flag tats .
Following on from my repost, a response from GARCIA LORCA who clearly understood the points I was making, followed by my response to him…
GARCIA LORCA @ 10:56 AM
CHAIRBHOY @7.01am
Agree completely with your setting out of the timeline and your analysis.
I have written on this subject in the past but obviously what we are witnessing is a direct consequence of the strategic commercial gamble that Peter Lawwell and the Celtic Board made to quietly support the reemergence of a weakened Rangers. If the price of that strategic decision was to remain silent as the same club, historic honours was peddled then so be it. We could never have stopped something like a Rangers emerging from the ashes but Peter&Co were clearly spooked by the loss of a major competitor and all the financials that they believed flowed from that competition. It is this very narrow Old Firm view of the world that led us into adopting such a stand and then having to pretend that we had no part in it that galls.
It would be fascinating to understand if any other options were considered such as Celtic genuinely going it alone ( as was claimed) and really attempting to build a club to participate in European competitions with all the financial gains available.
What we decided on was, in my opinion, a high risk strategy, believing that we would remain that bit stronger than a new Rangers. That was the ( wrong) benchmark.
A moments thought when that strategic decision was made should have identified the social and political risk to Celtic. What we are seeing on the streets of Glasgow is a direct result of poor decision making by Peter Lawwell and the Celtic Board .
We have got ourselves into a fine mess. If you sup with the Devil.
CHAIRBHOY on 11TH MARCH 2021 12:00 PM
GARCIA LORCA @ 10:56 AM,
Thank you for the, as always, eloquent and informed response.
Yes, it seems to me you have always been spot on with your assessments.
Your feeling that PL was spooked into these actions, rather than the less generous (to PL) conspiratorial theories I feel is also correct.
The fact is we would always have had a Rangers. Yet if they had to start from ground zero as the rules dictated and the old club were censured to the full extent then that new entity could well have been a very different more reasoned and compliant Club.
I’m not at all sure from looking at recent events that this Board would have had the motivation and wherewithal to properly analyse and if necessary implement different options. Maybe doing them an injustice, they could just be tired, but it has long been my view that they weren’t creative or ambitious enough.
The teir three UCL approach as I called it; where we attempt to put together a squad capable of qualifying for the UCL, being reasonably competitive at the league stage and looking at the Europa after the new year. Was to me a very realistic benchmark.
However whenever I raised it in the past, often others who seemed to have deeper insight said that strategy was too risky.
Ironic now that the BR era showed that the “teir 3” option was not only realistic but led to record; turnover, profits, squad value, not to mention the domestic dominance, the invincibles and trebles.
And this current season has shown, as you predicted, the “old firm” model that was high risk.
Hail Hail