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There was a fascinating and completely unfounded angle to the Daily Record’s story today about Celtic’s forthcoming AGM, “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly”.

Oh no they don’t.  This is an incredible dose of poison to inject into the Celtic family.

The matter in question is a resolution before the AGM urging Celtic to write to the SFA and Uefa regarding club licencing for season 2011/12.  As a result of this resolution Celtic’s written response to the AGM confirms that they questioned the SFA’s licensing at the time directly with the Association, a fact which had not previously been revealed.  The matter was also raised with Uefa.  Both bodies backed the SFA actions.

I knew how this played out at the time and I was keen for the matter to reach the AGM, where questions could be asked and responses given, but lines like “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers were dealt with fairly” are put out just to mess with you.

The Record addresses another point in the same article, “the Scottish champions are also acutely aware of how official action would heighten tensions between fans of the two clubs”.  If you think Charles Green was the only one on the receiving end of threats and intimidation last year, when these matters came to light, you’re wrong.

Celtic pursued the licencing question as far as they were permitted to do, this is quite different than insisting Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly.  The SFA are not interested and Uefa are not interested.  As a result of this resolution, this issue can be properly examined in front of the supporters.

The club’s public comments, or often, the lack of public comments, put the safety of their employees and supporters, which was already acutely in focus, first.  Not so long ago office staff at Celtic had to go through training on how to open the mail following specific attacks.

Despite popular mythology, Celtic don’t control the SFA, re-orientating that organisation will take a while.  The issue of licensing in 2011 was pursued as far as the club were allowed to do so.  Get along to the AGM, look the board in the eye and ask your questions on this.  Celtic also have a responsibility – and a lot of formal security advice – to staff, each other and all of us when it comes to public comment.  This is the world Celtic has to operate in.  The sooner we are out of here the better.

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  1. I wonder when the nuclear thing is going to hit ?

     

     

    Big words to fool the plebs, fools many, but not all.

     

     

    The cabal will rule in scotland for many, many years, to deny that is foolhardy, accept it and fight it, there is no other way.

     

     

    To say we are winning is a joke, they have us where they want us, at the back of the bus.

     

     

    The sad thing is, the custodians of our club are happy there, they make a few bob, they win a bauble or two, and are happy to be tolerated.

     

     

    Brother Walfrid will be turning in his grave, as will many other custodians of the club, they maybes didn’t have the best of financial brains to take the club forward, but a few had the good of the club at heart. unlike the money grabbers around today, all they think about is money, feck the support, unless they are weighing in with their cash.

     

     

    We will reap what we sow, and don’t be bitching about it when it all goes breests up, cos it will, trust me on that.

     

     

    Unless it is fought, just like our brothers did in the early 90s.

     

     

    We are divided, we will fail, we are united, we will prevail.

     

    HH

  2. Jimmy, the revolution was always lost morally. One of their crucial errors was to go to the country peasants and try to make them atheists. The middle class rebels didn’t understand the devotion of the peasants to God. The revolution was lost as the ideology was bankrupt. Lenin took money from the Germans. He cared not about principles.

  3. Ernie and Jimmy. I haven’t read much at all of his work. Rather dull as I recall. However his private life is interesting.

  4. John O’Neil

     

     

    00:26 on 15 October, 2013

     

     

    You’ve read the Daily Mail though, so you know all you want.

  5. Evening all,

     

     

    A wee story for TBJ and anyone in the vicinity of Cambuslang….

     

     

    Circa 1990, My mate was working in the OL in Cambuslang to re-tile the bar floor.

     

     

    It would take about a week.

     

     

    Third last day my mate say’s to the barmaid “What’s that flag (fleg) behind the bar”?

     

     

    She replied “It’s from our Brothers in Australia (Aussie Flag/Fleg?)…mmm

     

     

    As he left he told them it was actually the Starry Plough (gave a very brief history of it).

     

     

    2nd last day, goes back in and the Starry Plough isn’ae there but, next to it was a big portrait of Frank Bruno…. At the end of that day he points out that Frank Bruno was a seven day a week devout Catholic…..

     

     

    Last Day…. Poor wee Frank wisn’ae there either….

     

     

    But, sitting in the bar were six guy’s he knew (5 married to Catholics) slaughtered them as per then….

     

     

    Last thing to do is finish the tiles on the floor saying.. 1690-1990.

     

     

    Just as he was finishing up he’s asked the barmaid “What about next year”….

     

     

    Stupid, Stupid Zombies

  6. .

     

     

    ernie lynch

     

    13:01 on

     

    14 October, 2013

     

    After the dissolution of the USSR, Pravda was closed down by the then Russian President Boris Yeltsin.

     

     

    ..

     

     

    Ernie..

     

     

    Sorry to be Pedantic but You are Wrong..

     

     

    l have Pravda Glasses and Trainers..;-)

     

     

    Summa of DyslexicTrendyCSC

  7. JimmyQuinnsBits on

    John,

     

     

    ah come on, that’s just so much diversionary crap

     

     

    Maybe the fact that the church didn’t give a gnats fart about the peasant, and sooked up to the royal family like a top class hoor, colours it a bit.

     

     

    Russia was a nightmare, for a multitude of reasons. Reducing it to proof of the failure of communism, is just simplistic crap.

  8. No diversion intended Jimmy. Indeed you have valid points. If we consider later events then we can only conclude that Communism was a wicked betrayal of the ordinary person in Russia. The church may have been uncaring to the peasants but the peasants still believed in God. Communism was a disaster for humanity.

  9. Jimmy, to bring some balance to my points, I acknowledge that the Communists did some decent things for the ordinary Russian. However, they also stole ordinary people’s freedom.

  10. In the interests of clarity and for any SMSM readers this is what the Resolution asks of Celtic.

     

     

    This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules Governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note 1 ), by referring /bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of the Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.

     

     

     

    It makes no mention of a Sevco licence (although that is mentioned along with Membership at Item 1 in the support material regarding SFA behaviour generally) but no where in the above does it mention the award of a SPL club licence to Sevco, or ask UEFA to investigate it. What it does say is did the SFA comply with Club Licensing rules for the SPL, which adopt the UEFA standard and which the SFA agreed to apply? Additionally SFL clubs were not subject to UEFA Club licensing standards, (National Club Licensing applies) so again it only refers to the granting of licences to Oldco. Club licensing is nothing to do with granting Sevco membership.

     

     

     

    It should be. In fact membership should be conditional on a club being granted a licence but it is not. Membership is at the SFA’s discretion with no criteria listed. If the Club Financial Control Body were to investigate, one of the observations to the SFA would be that had UEFA FFP guidance 2010 been around a lot earlier and observed, Rangers would never have got into the position they found themselves in.

  11. JimmyQuinnsBits on

    John,

     

     

    There’s somethin bout you that I like, but I’m exasperated.

     

     

    What happened in Russia in that era could have happened under almost any system – read some of the accounts of czarist Russia.

     

     

    Then look at some of our buddies endeavours in the likes of South America (United Fruit), or the oil companies in Nigeria etc. Its done in the name of capitalism

  12. Jimmy, may I recommend Mikhail Bulgakov to you… You probably know him though. He wrote some terrific books which tap into life during Soviet Russian times. Ivan Bunin also wrote wonderfully well about the revolution. Definitely time for sleep.

  13. Sad really.

     

     

    Rangers are no more

     

    Relegated to the lowest tier

     

    Engaged in civil war

     

     

    Yet sections of Celtic fans still can’t be happy.

     

     

    DD is the best thing that happened to Celtic as important as Fergus in many many ways.

     

     

    Not so sure about PL myself but on and off the field we are in a great position so don’t ripped it apart and….

     

     

    BE HAPPY FFS

  14. Jimmy, I also like something about you. You debate in a decent way. I am no apologist for Capitalism but its horrors don’t compare with Communist horrors. What happened in that Soviet era wouldn’t have happened under Capitalism. People would have had freedoms which they couldn’t have had under Communism. For all its faults, capitalism doesn’t encourage totalitarian dictatorships. Well actually its interests can by proxy so I shall retract that last point.

  15. greenyinfurrafenian on

    eddie jordan the grand prix fella and celtic shareholder wears a wig. tell you what tho, its a cracker.

     

     

    reminds me of the day i was walkin doon shettleston road and there in front of me lying on the pavement was a toupe.

     

     

    ah thot to myself “that wigs aff its heid”

  16. lilys grandpa-Me and Lily backing Oscar on

    Good night peeps, god bless!

     

     

    lilys granpa, proud as Fck to be a tim, and Lilys Granpa xx Shes commin for lunch, so need to be on best behaviour!!

     

     

    lilys

  17. 16 roads - Wee Oscar the Celtic warrior. on

    Atheists?

     

     

    Karl Marx was a Jew,as were most of the main protagonists responsible for that most evil ideologies.

     

     

    I find it incredulous that people on here, deem for it to be perfectly acceptable to be extolling the supposed virtues,of what is perhaps the worst disease ever to blight humanity.

  18. 16 Roads, indeed some Jews were prevalent yet they suffered under the Communists also.

     

    Last points from me: this must be boring for those not interested. Sorry. Ernie, I don’t profess to have overwhelming knowledge about class or anything else. I will leave that to you. I do read the Mail but mostly buy ‘I’. The Guardian remains a fine newspaper. Last day off for me so won’t contribute much else. Look after yourselves.

  19. VP KO'd by fearless Oscar Knox on

    Some very hun-like posts on here tonight regarding Madeline McCann’s parents.

     

    Seem to be from the type who would enjoy a ‘good hanging’

     

    Disgusting.

  20. John O’NEILL

     

    What happened in Russia in 1917 was strange. A handful of Bolshevik activists seized power then annulled the first and last democratic elections ever held there. A short time later Lenin abandoned communism in favour of a kind of social democratic economy. Stalin ‘re-instated communism then trimmed the population to suit the ideology. Capitalism isn’t a whole lot better.

  21. Analogies pfft who needs em?

     

     

    A hun walking along HM Paisley rd west comes across one of many green and yellow duck’s being stamped upon of late. Onto the RSPCA centre and it became apparent there’s a hook caught in poor things throat.

     

    “It’s hard to believe you didnt swallow that”. sez the vet.

     

    “You talkin to me or the hun?” quack.

  22. vp ko’d by fearless oscar knox

     

     

    01:47 on 15 October, 2013

     

     

    There seems to be a few on here who think leaving there kids is ok

     

    A lot more worrying in my book

  23. JimmyQuinnsBits on

    16 Roads

     

     

    “Karl Marx was a Jew,as were most of the main protagonists responsible for that most evil ideologies.”

     

     

    Indeed, and Jesus… Always the Jews ay ay

     

     

    Or the Irish

  24. Re the Madeline McCann posts. it pains me to read the hun scum blaming the parents:

     

    The personification of evil is someone whom lacks empathy.

     

    A hun doesn’t necessarily know he is a hun but is a hun nevertheless.

     

    Some assimilated tims have become huns without even knowing it and as such have let their faith down as much as their club and their extended family.

     

    The scum on here criticising the McCann’s? I say this with all the empathy I can muster: Rot in hell.

  25. 16 roads - Wee Oscar the Celtic warrior. on

    JimmyQuinn – My point being that the original crew were not atheist.

     

     

    Don’t get it twisted.

  26. On McCann’s

     

     

    They live with their decision to leave their children every day!

     

     

    Would not have been my choice to act like that as a parent but I know of many friends (reasonable intelligent proffessional people) who at that time would not have thought twice, and didn’t, about doing the same with their kids.

     

     

    Who the fuck (and don’t give me the ole CQN sweary p1sh. Sometimes expletives are appropriate) am I to judge?!

     

     

    I act as I see fit as others do. Rightly or wrongly. We all stand and fall by our choices.

     

     

    He who casts the first stone.

     

     

    MWD not particularly religous but definately a parent who has made mistakes. Thankfully not to an extreme cost.

  27. I grew up in the 50s, although some may contend I haven’t finished growing yet, physically and mentally.

     

    It wasn’t uncommon then for we kids to wander the village alone. I well remember Sundays when the older kids, I was around 8 or 9 would all go on the bus to the next village to visit our grandparents. We would be out of sight for most of the afternoon and return in the evenings.

     

    Likewise on weekdays we would be outside until dark and no one would worry.

     

    So I cannot feel that we are in a position to condemn the McCanns who probably were lulled into a sense of security by the environment of a relaxing holiday.

  28. Artur Boruc stature grows as he faces England test

     

     

     

    Boruc has helped Southampton go 382 minutes without conceding a goal in a whole month.

     

     

    IN SKETCHING the original Vitruvian Man, Leonardo da Vinci sought to explore and develop his appreciation of the dimensions of humanity. But were there two men in his design or just one?

     

     

    When the editors of Przeglad Sportowy borrowed the 520-year-old idea to illustrate the scope of Artur Boruc’s goalkeeping in print last week, they may have been part-motivated by the ongoing exploration into the psyche of the man who stands between England and automatic qualification for the 2014 World Cup tonight at Wembley.

     

     

    There is only one Artur Boruc, as close followers of his singular, soap-opera career might testify, but to reprise Goran Ivanisevic’s famous self-diagnosis from the grasses of Wimbledon, there appear to be numerous versions of the man, and he may be as powerless as anybody else to control which one appears in form on any given day.

     

     

    If Boruc has a bad night at Wembley, or suffers an errant moment that is hard to describe without the aid of psychological references, it will be of a piece with his rocky biography – because his performances for Southampton this season have been marvellous. It takes a lot more than a strong-armed custodian to build a dam in the Barclays Premier League, but it is inconceivable that a defence could remain impregnable throughout 382 minutes of football, stretching across an entire calendar month, without a No 1 whose game is based on technical excellence as well as heroic athleticism.

     

     

    The occasion demands that Boruc be mentioned in the same breath tonight as Jan Tomaszewski, who famously repelled English advances in 1973, but, even when relieving him of the baggage of Brian Clough’s bitter and derogatory “clown in gloves” comment, it would be illogical to compare the games of the 1970s great and his contemporary successor, given the accelerated pace of change in the game during that time.

     

     

    As Gordon Strachan, who managed Boruc at Celtic, said last week: “I remember Tomaszewski – he just had the game of his life. Boruc is technically far better. He helped me and our team to win championships and get to the last 16 of European Cups. He has the ability to win games for you. He has an incredible presence in goal.

     

     

    “When you see him in there when he is at his best, you think: ‘How do I beat this man?’ He has incredible confidence and all the ability in the world. And he has a great big-match temperament. Nothing bothers or fazes him.”

     

     

    The Scotland manager’s analysis of Tomaszewski – who shone brilliantly at the 1974 World Cup finals, proving that his Wembley wonders were no freak occurrence – could be considered harsh, but the way he signed off on his endorsement of Boruc’s assets was more illuminating.

     

     

    That the man from small-town Siedlce should be hailed for his big-game mentality might raise eyebrows among anybody who watched him play in these parts, when occasions of greater significance and noise brought out of Boruc as much bad as good.

     

     

    Far from being the first Rangers or Celtic player to bring a lack of tact to the incendiary derby, Boruc’s insistence on crossing himself when the Glasgow rivals locked horns hinted at an armour-like thickness of skin, but it could also have been interpreted as something close to wilful self-destructiveness.

     

     

    He still carries an alarming liking for incitement, as if believing himself an actor safe on the silver screen, having been dropped for one match by Southampton after a spat with their fans that rekindled memories of the gestures that led to a Crown Office caution in 2006.

     

     

    Little can be learned from his infamous clangers, such as the John Rankin shot from halfway that somehow deceived him, nor the hedonism that led to his being stripped of the Polish No 1 shirt by Leo Beenhakker – all basic proof, surely, of the existence of a human being behind football’s fantasy veneer. More educational is the change that he insists has taken place.

     

     

    “This past year and actually most of my career is a great example of how you have to try to deal with the huge ups and downs that fate brings,” said Boruc last week.

     

     

    “Whenever I’ve been left out, I’ve always had determination to fight back and re-establish myself. I’ve grown older and I’d like to say wiser. And I’m really pleased that I’ve managed to change for the better, as it wasn’t a small thing.

     

     

    “I was extremely lucky to be given a blank piece of paper to start again afresh. I’ve matured and I’ve wised up with it.”

     

     

    Da Vinci’s Vitruvian Man featured four arms and four legs, all appearing to come out of the same male torso, although there may have been another torso concealed behind.

     

     

    Przeglad Sportowy’s Photoshop depiction of Boruc, featuring the traditional two legs but five pairs of arms set at different but proportionate heights, one of them positioned overhead with hands brought together in applause.

     

     

    Whether he is deified or decried come the end of another eventful England qualifying campaign tonight, it might ultimately become irrelevant in the life story of Artur Boruc, who stands tall as a man who feels he has long since been saved.

     

     

    Summa

  29. Summa

     

    Great post about the Holy Goalie… We are all souls with holes.

     

     

    On Communism and Capitalism…. Two different brands but same old totalitarian stuff. …. Watch any MSM and disagree… Yet both, briefly, held out the promise of freedom and justice to individuals in a certain time and certain place. I consider Orwell and his lecturer at college, Huxley, to be far more prescient about the future/present in relation to the world as it exists socially and economically, even locally with the OF and it’s economic disciples. You see Fitba (or sport) is not only the last bastion of collective political expression… It is, ironically, the great distraction or, the Soma, that pacifies the masses. All the advantages of religion and alcohol, but none of the defects, as Huxley put it. What we need is some integrity in the product, as a certain chemist Breaking Bad in middle age might have put it… The product is tainted.

     

     

    On the McCanns. I would never judge anyone who had to judge themselves to that extent…. To do so is thoughtless, base and Inhumane.

     

     

    On Paul67 and his contentious article… It would appear the Resolution is Shaking the Barley…. Not the wind of safety /security issues. Just the Wind of change.

     

     

    Roll on the Future(s) and their derivatives off shore and on…

  30. I would add…

     

    It is not The World Celtic Have Operate In….

     

    It is The World We All Have To Operate In.

     

     

    G’Night & HH

  31. A couple of weeks ago I was privileged to see one of the best group of musicians in the US play with a quietly spoken angry prophet back to his best…. And he enjoyed it more than I did… However, much as his message was to citizens of the US, it is not unrelated to the banking, sporting farce that confounds us in Scotland…. Not unrelated at all…..

     

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0SMu_IHaEA&sns=em

     

     

    Def goodnight…. Roll on the Dancing.

  32. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    Summa of Sammi….

     

    03:19 on

     

    15 October, 2013

     

     

    Artur was,I feel, a terrific goalie for most of his time at Celtic.

     

    Unfortunately, in his last year, he developed the habit of leaving his goal when opposition players attacked from the flanks, instead of guarding the near post.

     

    Sounds as if he`s now back to his best.