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There was a fascinating and completely unfounded angle to the Daily Record’s story today about Celtic’s forthcoming AGM, “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly”.

Oh no they don’t.  This is an incredible dose of poison to inject into the Celtic family.

The matter in question is a resolution before the AGM urging Celtic to write to the SFA and Uefa regarding club licencing for season 2011/12.  As a result of this resolution Celtic’s written response to the AGM confirms that they questioned the SFA’s licensing at the time directly with the Association, a fact which had not previously been revealed.  The matter was also raised with Uefa.  Both bodies backed the SFA actions.

I knew how this played out at the time and I was keen for the matter to reach the AGM, where questions could be asked and responses given, but lines like “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers were dealt with fairly” are put out just to mess with you.

The Record addresses another point in the same article, “the Scottish champions are also acutely aware of how official action would heighten tensions between fans of the two clubs”.  If you think Charles Green was the only one on the receiving end of threats and intimidation last year, when these matters came to light, you’re wrong.

Celtic pursued the licencing question as far as they were permitted to do, this is quite different than insisting Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly.  The SFA are not interested and Uefa are not interested.  As a result of this resolution, this issue can be properly examined in front of the supporters.

The club’s public comments, or often, the lack of public comments, put the safety of their employees and supporters, which was already acutely in focus, first.  Not so long ago office staff at Celtic had to go through training on how to open the mail following specific attacks.

Despite popular mythology, Celtic don’t control the SFA, re-orientating that organisation will take a while.  The issue of licensing in 2011 was pursued as far as the club were allowed to do so.  Get along to the AGM, look the board in the eye and ask your questions on this.  Celtic also have a responsibility – and a lot of formal security advice – to staff, each other and all of us when it comes to public comment.  This is the world Celtic has to operate in.  The sooner we are out of here the better.

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  1. Margaret McGill on

    Keep you doped with religion sex and TV

     

    and you all think youre so clever and classless and free

  2. Margaret McGill on

    awe so what it was only 22 trophies we shouldnt have showed up for.

     

    officially:)

     

    whats another 22?

     

    Games a bogey

  3. Margaret McGill on

    Hi Paul

     

    Just a comment. If there is any proof of this then a lot of the paranoia would dissipate

     

     

    “The matter in question is a resolution before the AGM urging Celtic to write to the SFA and Uefa regarding club licencing for season 2011/12. As a result of this resolution Celtic’s written response to the AGM confirms that they questioned the SFA’s licensing at the time directly with the Association, a fact which had not previously been revealed. The matter was also raised with Uefa. Both bodies backed the SFA actions.”

  4. Margaret McGill on

    I should not have used paranoia maybe disbelief. Its good for Tims to be paranoid for obvious reasons.

  5. Auldheid AGM resolution

     

     

    ”and what I will be looking for is some form of statement that says the SFA, without prejudice, admit to mistakes in their processes and will undertake a lesson learning review whose recommendations to avoid a repeat will be published with a plan for action.</em”

     

     

    I would hope for a hell of a lot more than that, though I know I won’t get so much of a crumb of an apology. And why should they, who made the ‘mistakes’ then, who still hold the same office now, why should they be allowed to apologise ‘without prejudice’ and continue on chuckling and shafting Scottish football supporters? Farry never was allowed that privilage, neither were Dallas and Dougie Dougie.

     

     

    Apologise without prejudice, they are paid big money, with generous benefits, to accept responsibility and accountability too. I’d bet one or two of them are even recipients of non-repayable loans too. (What happens to the credibility (sic) of Campbell Ogilvie if the UTT finds EBT’s illegal?) If they truly screwed up, whether with knowledge or not, the issuing of a licence, then they screwed up to the detriment of Celtic. What Dallas and Dougie Dougie did was nothing compared to the licence fiasco.

     

     

    Don’t forget either, neither Dallas nor Dougie Dougie were exactly marched out of their respective posts with anything beginning to resemble befitting disgrace. Did somebody say ‘side letters’, don’t mention ‘side letters’. Those in office today have screwed up and covered up more than is acceptable, and I say that without prejudice.

     

    As for Celtic coming out now and informing us that they covered all the bases regards the licence issue – well why didn’t they save everybody the trouble and do so months ago. Apparentlly they are scared of saying things that may be used against them at a future date, well it appears they’ve flipped that one on its head and now their silence is being used against them.

     

     

    They just can’t win can they.

     

     

    Again I bet if the ‘Bunnet’ and the late Paul McBride, were in office at Parkhead, this whole fiasco would have a different complexion. The Bunnet appreciated that often the truth hurts and can have severe ramifications, but he was man enough to be honest with the truth.

     

     

    Honesty, such a simple word that so many avoid and shirk.

  6. .

     

     

    Re Boruc..

     

     

    l remember on here Arguing with People when Arthur was being Looked at by Arsenal et al for Circa 10 Million that we should sell him then as l did Not think his form would sustain but what l did say and Still hope will happen is that Arthur Boruc would love to finish his Career at Celtic..

     

     

    Maybe if FF Stays for another Season after this Arthur might become..

     

     

     

    The Prodigal Holy Goalie..;-)

     

     

    Summa

  7. macjay1 for Neil Lennon

     

     

     

    04:40 on 15 October, 2013

     

     

     

    Summa of Sammi….

     

    03:19 on

     

    15 October, 2013

     

     

    Artur was,I feel, a terrific goalie for most of his time at Celtic.

     

    Unfortunately, in his last year, he developed the habit of leaving his goal when opposition players attacked from the flanks, instead of guarding the near post.

     

    Sounds as if he`s now back to his best.

     

    —————————————————————-

     

    his bad habits in his last year wasn’t limited to him throwing away cheap goals at the near post. there’s a bookie out there somewhere that can testify to that me thinks

  8. Sack the board.

     

     

    They are all SFA sympathisers. Selling us down the river.

     

     

    They want the worst for our club.

     

     

    We should at least all secretly all be told what they are doing in detail. so that none of those who would plot or spin against us could find out.

     

     

    I also demand to know the team we will pick each week in advance or won’t buy a season ticket.

     

     

    We should leave the SFA. Lets play Celtic reserves every week …. With our own ball and pick our own referee.

  9. Good morning from the gateway to the Highlands, who’ll be sitting for breakfast this morning…. !

     

     

    Ayrshire is Green and White..

     

     

    This place is full of…

     

     

    HH

  10. Totally off subject. I have been reading, and i am throughly enjoying, Tim pat Coogan’s ‘The Famine plot’.

     

     

    An Gorta Mór. The Irish people were allowed to starve in a land of plenty.

     

    Food exports continued as normal

     

     

    From Cork harbor on one day in 1847 – The AJAX sailed for England with 1,514 firkins of butter, 102 casks of pork, 44 hogsheads of whiskey, 844 sacks of oats, 247 sacks of wheat, 106 bales of bacon, 13 casks of hams, 145 casks of porter, 12 sacks of fodder, 28 bales of feathers, 8 sacks of lard, 296 boxes of eggs, 30 head of cattle, 90 pigs, 220 lambs, 34 calves and 69 miscellaneous packages.

     

    On November 14, 1848 3 ships sailed, from Cork harbor alone: 147 bales of bacon, 120 casks and 135 barrels of pork, 5 casks of hams, 149 casks of miscellaneous provisions (foodstuff); 1,996 sacks & 950 barrels of oats; 300 bags of flour; 300 head of cattle; 239 sheep; 9,398 firkins of butter; 542 boxes of eggs.

     

    On July 28, 1848 4 ships; a typical day’s food shipments from only the following four ports: from Limerick: the ANN, JOHN GUISE and MESSENGER for London; the PELTON CLINTON for Liverpool; and the CITY OF LIMERICK, BRITISH QUEEN, and CAMBRIAN MAID for Glasgow. This one-day removal of Limerick’s food was of 863 firkins of butter; 212 firkins, 1,198 casks and 200 kegs of lard, 87 casks of ham; 267 bales of bacon; 52 barrels of pork; 45 tons and 628 barrels of flour; 4,975 barrels of oats and 1,000 barrels of barley. From Kilrush: the ELLEN for Bristol; the CHARLES G. FRYER and MARY ELLIOTT for London. This one-day removal was of 550 tons of County Clare’s oats and 15 tons of its barley. From Tralee: the JOHN ST. BARBE, CLAUDIA and QUEEN for London; the SPOKESMAN for Liverpool. This one-day removal was of 711 tons of Kerry’s oats and 118 tons of its barley. From Galway: the MARY, VICTORIA, and DILIGENCE for London; the SWAN and UNION for Limerick (probably for transshipment to England). This one-day removal was of 60 sacks of Co. Galway’s flour; 30 sacks and 292 tons of its oatmeal; 294 tons of its oats; and 140 tons of its miscellaneous provisions (foodstuffs). British soldiers forcibly removed it from its starving Limerick, Clare, Kerry and Galway producers.

     

     

    In Belmullet, Co. Mayo the mission of 151 soldiers 5 of the 49th Regiment, in addition to escorting livestock and crops to the port for export, was to guard a few tons of stored meal from the hands of the starving; its population falling from 237 to 105 between 1841 and 1851.

     

    Note – Belmullet also lost its source of fish in January, 1849, when Britain’s Coast Guard arrested its fleet of enterprising fishermen ten miles at sea in the act of off-loading flour from a passing ship. They were sentenced to prison and their currachs were confiscated.

     

     

    The Waterford Harbor British army commissariat officer wrote to British Treasury Chief Charles Trevelyan on April 24, 1846; “The barges leave Clonmel once a week for this place, with the export supplies under convoy which, last Tuesday, consisted of 2 guns, 50 cavalry, and 80 infantry escorting them on the banks of the Suir as far as Carrick.” While its people starved, the Clonmel district exported annually, along with its other farm produce, approximately 60,000 pigs in the form of cured pork

  11. Good morning all.

     

     

    Best wishes to all attending the AGM desperately trying to get our board to grow a pair & fight for us.

     

     

    ‘ This club needs cleansed ‘

     

     

    Fat Sally’s famous line after Chuck departed the first time.

     

     

    Who did he get…. Easdale, convicted VAT fraudster , Murray, part of Oldco who as a board member accepts responsibility for EBTs and dual contract & King , guilty on 41 counts of tax evasion ( 82 years in jail if he couldn’t pay the fine)

     

     

    Thank goodness they chose the ethical route!

  12. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    Morning from the Tunisian sunshine.

     

    Today is a holiday in the Arab world(eid al-Adha) and bhoy didn’t some of the locals party last night into this morning.8).

     

     

    Realty bites tomorrow when I return to jobos weather reports..

  13. smoke and mirrors on

    Proxy Notice

     

    Online Proxy Voting is closed for this meeting. If you have any questions, please refer to the shareholder information you received in connection with this meeting.Anyone any idea why I cannot lodge my vote on -line??????????????

  14. Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar on

    Burnley78

     

     

    I don’t think anyone’s claiming that the board are deliberately setting out to harm Celtic. They do however have very different ideas on what is best for Celtic from a growing number of supporters.

  15. blantyretim is praying for the Knox family on

    B78

     

    Can you answer the question raised by smoke and mirrors.?

     

     

    You seem to have all the answers.

  16. Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar on

    smoke and mirrors

     

     

    07:51 on 15 October, 2013

     

     

    I’m sure it was posted yesterday that on line voting had been closed. That it was closed before some shareholders even received their ballot papers is strange.

  17. The biggest mistake Celtic have made in recent history is not the failure to replace Wanyama, but in not replacing Paul McBride (RIP).

     

     

    The closest we have to Paul McBride at present would appear to be Canamalar.

  18. Though I have gone 1-1 on the predictor on Scotland tonight, the more I think about it, surely Croatia will be in 3rd gear tonight in the hope of avoiding injury for their play off games? No?

     

     

    11/5 on the home win maybe a tad generous………

  19. Zbyszek mówi, trzymaj się Oscar on

    Most funny question from last night given by the defenders of the Communism – have you ever read Marx ?

     

    Yes, I did read as the student of philosophy. I did live under so called Socialism in Poland.

     

     

    Don’t fool people. Why don’t you move to North Korea ? We don’t have the posters there. Would love to see reports from winning captains saying that CQN Magazine were sent there. Kim Yongs are called dictators by the media here. In fact they are devoted Communists. Don’t be shy and defend them.

  20. Oglach:

     

     

    I’m reading a good book at the moment – The Killing of Major Denis Mahon, by Peter Duffy. It is about a killing as the name suggests but it also give a broad insight into the carve up of the land, the famine, the work-houses, the soup kitchens and how everybody got shafted. Oh! and a wee bit of retribution.

     

     

    Next in line is The Famine Ships by Edward Laxton.

  21. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Twists

     

     

    and I think part of their failure and where we are today was in engaging with him in the first place.

     

     

    HH

  22. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Celtic’s Reid condemns Famine Song

     

    Celtic chairman John Reid

     

    Reid says Celtic will not tolerate offensive songs by their own fans

     

     

    Celtic chairman John Reid has condemned as racist one of the songs chanted by fans of Glasgow rivals Rangers at the recent Old Firm derby.

     

     

    The Famine Song refers to events that killed an estimated one million people in the 1840s and led to a mass migration from Ireland.

     

     

    “We should condemn racism and sectarianism without fear or favour wherever they arise,” said Reid.

     

     

    “That is an essential part of Celtic Football Club’s ethos.”

     

     

    Reid has written to Celtic fans about the controversy that erupted after Rangers’ 4-2 victory on 31 August.

     

     

    The Ibrox club have since asked their fans to refrain from singing the song, which includes the line: “The famine’s over, why don’t you go home.”

     

     

    But we are not complacent. I would again condemn, without equivocation, the use of any chants or songs which can be interpreted as support for religious or ethnic hatred, or for acts of violence

     

     

    Celtic chairman John Reid

     

     

    Rangers also sought guidance from Strathclyde Police on the matter with a view to making singing the song an arrestable offence, although the Rangers Supporters Trust defended the chant, saying it was not racist, and no worse than any other football song.

     

     

    And former Northern Ireland Secretary Reid said: “As both Rangers Football Club and Strathclyde Police have stated, the content of the song – which is directed against the community of Irish descent in Scotland – is in breach of Race Relations legislation and exposes its perpetrators to the risk of prosecution.

     

     

    “The Irish Famine was a human tragedy of immense proportions. It is one of the few such events for which the British Government has expressed specific regret for its share of responsibility.

     

     

    “Few of those who sing this song will have stopped to think that famine is non-sectarian and the millions of people who died or were forced into mass emigration – some of them to Scotland – were from all faiths and traditions within Ireland.”

     

     

    Reid also warned he would not tolerate offensive chanting by his own club’s supporters.

     

     

    “Celtic supporters have received well-earned international plaudits in recent years for the way in which they conduct themselves at home and abroad,” he said.

     

     

    “But we are not complacent. I would again condemn, without equivocation, the use of any chants or songs which can be interpreted as support for religious or ethnic hatred, or for acts of violence.

     

     

    MY SPORT: DEBATE

     

    Elements of Celtic’s away support are offensive to others and they are disgracing our club

     

     

    Tully

     

     

    “The assistance of true Celtic supporters in weeding out the minority who persist in that behaviour, usually at away games, is greatly appreciated and results in stringent action.”

     

     

    The aftermath of the 31 August derby saw Irish diplomats raise concerns with the Scottish government over Rangers fans’ chanting.

     

     

    It is understood a Celtic supporter complained to the Irish Embassy in London, with the matter referred to the Irish Consul in Edinburgh.

     

     

    That was followed by the Northern Ireland sports minister saying he was unlikely to accept an invitation to Celtic Park after pro-IRA chanting by fans of Reid’s club.

     

     

    DUP MP Gregory Campbell wrote to Reid, complaining about songs sung by Celtic fans during their 13 September game away to Motherwell.

     

     

    In his letter, which he penned in his capacity as MP and not sports minister, he demanded the club take more action.

  23. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    Reid responds to Murray warning

     

    Rangers chairman Sir David Murray and Celtic counterpart Dr John Reid

     

    John Reid says he will continue to comment “without fear”

     

     

    Celtic chairman John Reid has responded to Rangers counterpart Sir David Murray’s warning that he should be more careful with his public comments.

     

     

    Murray, in an exclusive BBC interview to mark his 20th season in charge at Ibrox, expressed concern at “some of the innuendo that’s come from John”.

     

     

    Reid, who has condemned a section of the Rangers support for singing the Famine Song, said he would not change.

     

     

    “I will continue to comment, when appropriate, without fear or favour.”

     

     

    The Famine Song refers to events that killed an estimated one million people in the 1840s and led to a mass migration from Ireland.

     

     

    And the Rangers chairman, who bought the club for £6m in 1988, urged his Celtic counterpart to be more careful with his comments, given his role as an MP.

     

     

    “I find it strange that a man could become a member of Parliament representing a whole broad church of people from Airdrie and Shotts, but then can also be the chairman of a football club and come out with a different slant,” said Murray.

     

     

    “I suppose he can say that because he knows he doesn’t have to be re-elected to Airdrie & Shotts again. I’m concerned by some of the comments.

     

     

    “I give the utmost respect to Celtic football club – they’ve got a great tradition but I am recently a wee bit concerned by some of the inferences and innuendo that’s come from John and I think he’s got to be careful and realise he’s not barracking in the House of Commons any longer.

     

     

    “We are in a society in Scotland where every point and every word is picked up by everybody and he should be very careful with some of the chat.”

     

     

    Responding on Thursday afternoon, the Celtic chairman said: “We all want to be a little indulgent to David on his 20th anniversary, but I’m not entirely sure of the points he is trying to make regarding inference and innuendo.

     

     

    “In any case, no one should be under any illusion that in defending the welfare of Celtic and our supporters I will continue to comment when appropriate, without fear or favour.

     

     

    “I know we all welcome David’s respect for Celtic’s traditions and we congratulate him on 20 years at Rangers Football Club”.

     

     

    Murray said he had always been honest during his tenure at the club and never shirked a challenge since taking over at Ibrox.

     

     

    “I’ve endeavoured to be as honest and as decent as possible,” he said.

     

     

    MY SPORT: DEBATE

     

    What do you think of Sir David Murray’s comments?

     

     

    “Hopefully, we can continue to win more trophies together. I think I’m the longest-serving chairman in the history of Rangers Football Club.

     

     

    “I’ve done a fair innings with reasonable success. When it’s time to walk, I’ll walk. And I’ll look back on it as an unbelievable experience and a privilege to be the chairman and major shareholder at Rangers.”

     

     

    Murray’s portfolio of metals, mining, property and venture capital businesses have made him Scotland’s fifth-richest man, worth £650m.

     

     

    His investment at Rangers helped secure a famous nine-in-a-row championship wins between 1989-1997.

     

     

    And the club’s £12m training facility, Murray Park, is named after him.

     

     

    Murray stepped down as chairman at Ibrox in July 2002 but returned to the post in the summer of 2004.

  24. Top of the morning to you all from a Fife where the sun has yet to show, but the day is dry and breezy and just about right for the time of year.

     

     

    Brogues 1, Spivs, 0. Jack won’t like that scoreline or the newspaper photos of a smiling Paul Murray. Our Paul may not like that either, but it is good to see that the civil-war of the Sevconians is still going strong.

     

     

    Public petitions e-site is now back in business and sitting at 2,157

     

     

    http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/GettingInvolved/Petitions/judgesmasonregister

     

     

    Can we get it up to 2,200 today?

     

     

    If we don’t complain they will think we are happy with things the way they are!

  25. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    So what happened ?

     

     

    Everybody got what they wanted thats what.

     

     

    Nothing to do with rule books or governance or an inkling of fair play or contrition or even justice. Certainly 100% not even the remotest interest in grass roots football. Social conscience ?

     

     

    And everything to do with spin, profits, keeping ones snout in the trough, titles – not the 22 that Rangers bribed out of the authorities, bonuses, bungs, pension plans

     

     

    The modern Celtic ethos is based on soundbites, PR and spin its entirely inconsistent with how Celtic FC as an orgnisation is run and I believe deceitfully so

     

     

    HH

     

     

    HH

  26. Margaret McGill on

    Burnley78

     

    07:39 on

     

    15 October, 2013

     

     

    I guess integrity means different things to some.

  27. smoke and mirrors on

    so…………….I cannot attend the AGM . but cannot cast my proxy vote? Paul et all can you investigate and use your main article to expose this. If this was Sevco we would (quite rightly) be exposing it as a conspiracy

  28. Morning all. Brightish down here at the moment.

     

     

    Today is the day I hope peace breaks out on CQN. We have enough enemies who hate our very existence without our sticking knives into one another.

  29. canamalar prays Oscar can do it again on

    Mr Z..,

     

    If communism is as bad as you say maybe you can try and explain Kerela ?

  30. Zbyszek mówi, trzymaj się Oscar on

    What is Kerela canamalar ? Looks I’m not as smart as you are. Never heard of Kerela.

  31. canamalar prays Oscar can do it again on

    Smoke & Mirrors,

     

    Che and iki brought this up last night, iki tried on 12th of October, there appears to be a strategy to block online votes, I’m checking out the legals on this but with it being a new tech I expect they’ve have it covered, I will check and get back to you, who’d a thunk the board would want to refuse its shateholders their right to vote, its no like it would take any time to count the votes or add to administration costs.

  32. canamalar prays Oscar can do it again on

    Mr Z..,

     

    I know about it because I stayed there for two months, it is a state in India who have freely voted for communist governance since the Indian independence, google it.

  33. Morning all good to see jack n victor have made up and are on there way back..for any trolls lurking,this isnt code for green n whyte lol

     

    hh