There was a fascinating and completely unfounded angle to the Daily Record’s story today about Celtic’s forthcoming AGM, “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly”.
Oh no they don’t. This is an incredible dose of poison to inject into the Celtic family.
The matter in question is a resolution before the AGM urging Celtic to write to the SFA and Uefa regarding club licencing for season 2011/12. As a result of this resolution Celtic’s written response to the AGM confirms that they questioned the SFA’s licensing at the time directly with the Association, a fact which had not previously been revealed. The matter was also raised with Uefa. Both bodies backed the SFA actions.
I knew how this played out at the time and I was keen for the matter to reach the AGM, where questions could be asked and responses given, but lines like “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers were dealt with fairly” are put out just to mess with you.
The Record addresses another point in the same article, “the Scottish champions are also acutely aware of how official action would heighten tensions between fans of the two clubs”. If you think Charles Green was the only one on the receiving end of threats and intimidation last year, when these matters came to light, you’re wrong.
Celtic pursued the licencing question as far as they were permitted to do, this is quite different than insisting Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly. The SFA are not interested and Uefa are not interested. As a result of this resolution, this issue can be properly examined in front of the supporters.
The club’s public comments, or often, the lack of public comments, put the safety of their employees and supporters, which was already acutely in focus, first. Not so long ago office staff at Celtic had to go through training on how to open the mail following specific attacks.
Despite popular mythology, Celtic don’t control the SFA, re-orientating that organisation will take a while. The issue of licensing in 2011 was pursued as far as the club were allowed to do so. Get along to the AGM, look the board in the eye and ask your questions on this. Celtic also have a responsibility – and a lot of formal security advice – to staff, each other and all of us when it comes to public comment. This is the world Celtic has to operate in. The sooner we are out of here the better.
Sean Fallon: Celtic’s Iron Man, drink in the legend:
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On a lighter note,a coupla years back,my mate and I were gonna get STs for Fulham.
£299 seemed a bargain,tbh.
Wish I had,now!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2420697/See-Jacksonville-Jaguars-cheerleaders-perform-Fulham-vs-West-Brom.html
If the Celtic board believe that they can just ignore the uproar over the sevco scandal, and the real concerns of the supporters……I think they might be in for a rude awakening.
You cannot expect people to forget such blatant corruption….and they certainly wont.
and to any suits who happen to be lurking….make no mistake, complicity with corrupt organisations…wont be accepted.
No Old Firm….Rangers are deid…..
HH
Bobby/PF – understood. The lack of a quality striker could be the difference against Ajax, which will affect our CL last 16 or EL last 32 aspirations! No euro footie after Christmas would be dire! :-(
T4
ERNIE LYNCH
Erm,hence my comment about SFA rules….
Spookily,it also still operates from its original address.
What’s Russian for “The big hoose must stay open?”
P67 – I appreciate you raising this point, I really do.
However it seems that you (or the club) are suggesting that because the huns will be angry we should just let it drop
if i had let every matter drop because the huns would be angry, then NFL would no longer be our manager and hugh Dallas would still be a supervisor.
I think that aspect of the message is a poor response
If UEFA agreed to grant a licence then UEFA should explain why
Paul67
I agree entirely that as a club we have to get out of this cesspit,but are you actually saying that the custodians of our club are afraid to speak up for us,if so the game is well and truly up.
TOMMYTWISTSTOMMYTURNS
Aye,too true!
Getting used to this dining at the top table. So we are getting things right. No dispute there. Be a blinkin’ shame for progress to be undone so quickly.
Fingers crossed we can muddle through. As to whether muddling through is what we should be aspiring to,well,let’s not go there.
ernie lynch
13:16 on 14 October, 2013
greenyinfurrafenian
13:06 on 14 October, 2013
‘ernie
any species in scotland recorded in 1750 is regarded to be native. ‘
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It occurs to me that you’re thinking of the definition of ancient woodland, which in Scotland is woodland that’s been there since 1750.
That date is only used because it’s when the first reliable maps were produced, so is a bit arbitrary, and certainly nothing to do with whether a species is native.
In England the date is 1600, simply because they have maps since then.
Wonder if Pravda is/was printed on paper from a native tree?
As I said before, the Board seem to be exercising an equal amount of wisdom in their judgement of this issue as they did when siding with FoCUS in the persecution of the GB
I.E.…………………none!
“Celtic pursued the licencing question as far as they were permitted to do, this is quite different than insisting Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly. The SFA are not interested and Uefa are not interested.”
OK from the above, we are given the impression that Celtic had the same concerns as us fans but the SFA/UEFA etc were not interested. Indeed the SFA may have just ignored the issue.
So if we are to believe this to be true why did Celtic not , at the very least, abstain from the vote on the election of the SFA president earlier this year? Or put forward their own candidate.
Well and truly fed up with this don’t rock the boat nonsense. Have we been shafted by these clowns or what….yes, we most certainly have.
Ive had enough of it….and I wont shut up about it either, its a fecking disgrace what they have been allowed to get away with….yet the suits at our club don’t want to talk about it.
Theres something badly wrong there.
HH
Paul67
“The issue of licensing in 2011 was pursued as far as the club were allowed to do so.”
What does that mean in real terms?
A question for anyone who knows the answer.
I purchased a small amount of ordinary shares. (Around £100). Can I attend the AGM? If so how do I go about getting invited?
And yes I know that those are 2 questions.
Anybody?
Meanwhile in a court near you another day in sevcoland :))
Cara Sulieman@carasulieman36m
Ran*ers are arguing they didn’t accept motion as it was not authenticated. They say 3 signatures were not authenticated.
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Petitioners are asking Lord Tyre to grant an interdict forcing Ran*ers to include the notice in AGM and to stop the AGM from happening.
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Lawyer for petitioners keeps referring to Ran*ers “waging guerrilla warfare” against the motion.
its been there much longer than 1750, it was 1st recorded in 1750. i’m sure you must recognise that
regardless i teally have to split
bankiebhoy1
12:54 on
14 October, 2013
….Shortie helping extend the myth that there’s a football board and presumably another board………………………that deals with writin’ stuff, typin’ stuff ……
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I thought the typing was done by Mrs McKay. Did she refuse to TUPE?
Paul67,
So did the club bring this to the attention of the CFCB ?because so far, my research has shown that is far as they are permitted to go.
If not then only internal restrictions are in place as the SFA have no say in who can go to the CFCB.
It also troubles me why the board would want to muddy the waters on who I specified as the judicial body responsible to deal with this issue.
Was it the janny at the UEFA office that told the board they couldn’t take this any further ?
I’d like to think when BDO finally wind up the rfc 1872 mob or more likely when The Taxman sits for the appeal and asks for payment sevco’s real name and age will be forced into the public domain.
There’s too much owed to be swept away into history without an innocent party demanding payment from “the same team”
Sir Paul
Pal..Noo Ye are tellin’ it like it is..and wiz.. and ever Wull Be!
The Celtic Board’s whit is called in the trade as…..a Group Think.
fur as ye know.. Two Heids are Bettah than Wan..and it’s a Lead Pipe Cinch .. that
Five or Six Heids are a Loat Bettah at coming tae a Sensible Conclusion fur a Problem, than.. A Mere Two.
And Celtic’s Group Think, is of a Much Higher Standard than the Individual Thinks.. o’ the Silly wee fellows, like us.. who r no privy tae whit is goes doon , at the Celtic Board Conferences,or of awe the ramifications that are cogent tae the day tae day running of Celtic. and are No Public Knowledge.
And is is Right and Proper that the Celtic Directors should Keep thur Cerds close tae thur Bosoms’.
The Celtic Fans should Leave the Runnin’ of the Club tae oor Stewards.
They huv done very well..so far..n Ah dinnae hiv any Doots that they wull Continue tae dae well, in the Future..
A Loat of Celtic Fans, hiv a Little Knowledge of whit is going oan..and
That is wan of the Maist Dangerous things fur a Bunch of Callow Youths and Doddering Auldsters… tae Possess..
In fact…It’s Bloody Radio-Active!
The Guys who Doot the Motives of the Club, are being…. whit is called in the Trade..
Distrusting.. and Distrust leads tae .. dare Ah Say it?
Ach.. why no?
PARANOIA!
Yep. that is whit A Loata Celtic Fans are suffering fae.. and like All guid Paranoiacs..
They canna be Convinced that they ur being ..well..
PARANOID!
And That’s.. Bad!
That is the trouble wi Paranoia.. Ye Don’t know when ye are Being .. Paranoid ..
Fur if ye did… well.. We widnae be sufferin fae It!
Right?
So you guys who distrust the Celti\c Board.. get a grip of yer Frilly Underthings..
And .. Behave yersel!
And leave the Driving… tae the Celtic Board..
And..
Hey..and
Stop being the Mother-in- law in the Back Seat.. oan that First Sight Seeing Trip tae the Trossachs..
The Celtic Board Know where the Heck they ur Going…
So Leave the Driving tae Them!!
Kojo
Stilll, Laughin’
If it wasn’t for your Google where would you be.
MisquotetheBigyin csc
greenyinfurrafenian
13:47 on 14 October, 2013
‘its been there much longer than 1750, it was 1st recorded in 1750. i’m sure you must recognise that’
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So are you coming round to the idea that 1750 has nothing to with a species being native and everything to do with whether a woodland is regarded as ancient?
The Huns are all over the place at the minute,they’re a divided club from board level to there supporters and the Scottish media will put a spin on everything Celtic to put us in the same place as the Huns. Don’t fall into the trap the board at Celtic will do everything in the best interests of Celtic football club I don’t doubt it for a second. Little snide comments like ‘ the Celtic board are happy the way sevco where delt with ‘ are made so we turn against each other. As long as we stick together we will be ok HH
Judging by the comments on here today,I reckon the majority are mightily annoyed at the huns getting away with it,and the part played in that by those in a position to prevent it.
Be that the SFA,UEFA,FIFA,or God forbid,our own board.
Not to mention,of course,all sorts of legal inquiries.
I think the amount of collusion this SUGGESTS is enough to scare off all but the most foolhardy.
Certainly,it has severely dented my faith in us all being equal before the law,etc. But what the hell,bring it on!
Cara Sulieman@carasulieman34m
Lord Tyre responded: “It seems to me you want me to think this is a nitpicking exercise you want me to disapprove of.”
Lord Tyre: “It just boils down to whether they (signatures) should be validly authenticated or not.”
if you still bothered with the MSM you would think peace had broken out in sevcoland
Some of you will be familiar with Paul Larkin who has written a few books on Celtic.
I was listening to him being interviewed on the Beyond The Waves Celtic Show podcast on the way into work today. He said something like “Privately, people at Celtic will tell you that they expect to be playing in a different league within the next five years”.
I think Paul Larkin could fairly be described as at best sceptical about Peter Lawwell, Dermott Desmond et al.
I don’t have a shred of information to add to that but wanted to make the point that Celtic people are talking about it.
SwanseaBhoy
The Green Man
You miss the point
Celtic have and did pursue SFA and UEFA without success
The Daily Rag is suggesting the club didnt do enough so supporters like you would jump up and down and blame the Club/Board/Lawell
Dont bite – your club is in much better hands than the Daily Rag
Hail Hail
67ECW
T4
My approach would be for our Board to issue a statement that makes it clear we have fundamental difficulty in fulfilling Celtic’s ambitions while in the Scottish domestic league structure. It could go further and state that the relationship between club and fans ( the lifeblood) is endangered as their is a complete lack of trust in the administrative body from the Celtic fan base. Therefore it is the club’s duty and ambition to seek an alternative playing environment.
Until such times as this becomes possible CFC will play it’s full part in SFA abiding by rules as set out.
That statement would go a long way to appeasing fans who are entirely disenchanted with the current situation. It is also open and fair should the opportunity arise and would act as a ‘come and get us ‘ statement to other leagues, TV brokers etc.
Have we ever actually tried to get in to bottom tier of another league structure?
Doctor Whatfor
As a shareholder you should recieve a copy of the accounts and an invitation to attend the AFM.
If you only bought the shares recently you might not.
Hi Paul67,
“Celtic pursued the licencing question as far as they were permitted to do, this is quite different than insisting Rangers(sic) were dealt with fairly. The SFA are not interested and Uefa are not interested.”
We all know why the SFA were not interested, speculation of course but my guess would be if Charles Green got the CVA passed, Rangers would have got a licence for 2012/13.
To my mind UEFA aren’t going to interfere for two reasons, the first, they don’t, unless it is a direct issue regarding their Governance i.e. Sion in the Swiss courts, they’ll leave it to the local bodies.
OSecondly and more importantly how many major UCL and Europa League Clubs are squeaky clean when it comes to their Licence.
With FFP compliance expected soon, if Clubs in Federations could cast doubt on the validity of UEFA Licences by way of various technicalities, how many Clubs would fail to secure a Licence.
My Guess would be Celtic and the Germans vying for the European Cup.
There is no way UEFA wants to touch this, it is surely one of the reason why they delegate the issuing of their Licences to local Federations.
Pontius Pilate could learn a thing or two from these guys.
Hail Hail
no ernie i am not.
KOJO
Aye you might be right.
But on the other hand,few things designed by a committee work well.
The Club cannot conduct all of its business in public – to suggest otherwise, especially in the toxic environment of scoddish foo’ball is criminally naive.
I’d hope and trust that the Club, having shown its colours thru proper corporate governance will be doing all it can to resolve this protracted problem.
I support the Club wholeheartedly
in this.
HH.
Secret Society Membership Declaration by Decision Makers Facebook page update:
A BREAKTHROUGH! Oscar Bjartell Oscar the Law School Representative to EUSA (Edinburgh University Student Association) has advised me that he will put the link to the law students to allow them to peruse/comment/and either sign or reject the terms of my Scottish Parliament public petition PE01491.
Letting law students have a say on important matters of law can not be a bad thing.
philbhoy – bring it on!!!!
Thank you for that.
HH
Maybe the best thing for celtic supporters to do is to hire a lawyer to investigate the whole sorry saga, and to take any case answerable as far as possible through the relevant courts.
When a verdict/s is reached, we must accept it and move on.
I’m sure CQN on it’s own has the potential to raise enough money to hire a lawyer, based on the hysteria on these pages.
Closure either way is probably best for everyone’s mental health.
I wonder where Moonbeams & whyte along with others came up with their plan?
sligobhoy@sligobhoykds1h
@corsica1968 No wonder you’re sick! King bought Amazulu FC for 1 SA rand back in 2000-02.