There was a fascinating and completely unfounded angle to the Daily Record’s story today about Celtic’s forthcoming AGM, “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly”.
Oh no they don’t. This is an incredible dose of poison to inject into the Celtic family.
The matter in question is a resolution before the AGM urging Celtic to write to the SFA and Uefa regarding club licencing for season 2011/12. As a result of this resolution Celtic’s written response to the AGM confirms that they questioned the SFA’s licensing at the time directly with the Association, a fact which had not previously been revealed. The matter was also raised with Uefa. Both bodies backed the SFA actions.
I knew how this played out at the time and I was keen for the matter to reach the AGM, where questions could be asked and responses given, but lines like “Celtic’s directors insist Rangers were dealt with fairly” are put out just to mess with you.
The Record addresses another point in the same article, “the Scottish champions are also acutely aware of how official action would heighten tensions between fans of the two clubs”. If you think Charles Green was the only one on the receiving end of threats and intimidation last year, when these matters came to light, you’re wrong.
Celtic pursued the licencing question as far as they were permitted to do, this is quite different than insisting Rangers (sic) were dealt with fairly. The SFA are not interested and Uefa are not interested. As a result of this resolution, this issue can be properly examined in front of the supporters.
The club’s public comments, or often, the lack of public comments, put the safety of their employees and supporters, which was already acutely in focus, first. Not so long ago office staff at Celtic had to go through training on how to open the mail following specific attacks.
Despite popular mythology, Celtic don’t control the SFA, re-orientating that organisation will take a while. The issue of licensing in 2011 was pursued as far as the club were allowed to do so. Get along to the AGM, look the board in the eye and ask your questions on this. Celtic also have a responsibility – and a lot of formal security advice – to staff, each other and all of us when it comes to public comment. This is the world Celtic has to operate in. The sooner we are out of here the better.
Sean Fallon: Celtic’s Iron Man, drink in the legend:
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canamalar,
can you confirm which part of the resolution was changed?
ta
medtim
Johnny Crum scored the winner against Everton in the Empire Exhibition Cup final.
Oglach
19:26 on
14 October, 2013
“there is a small nation that stood alone not for one year or two, but for several hundred years against aggression; that endured spoliations, famines, massacres in endless succession; that was clubbed many times into insensibility, but that each time on returning consciousness took up the fight anew; a small nation that could never be got to accept defeat and has never surrendered her soul?
Oglach,thanks for that,my ma used to remind me of it.I think Churchill said it after standing alone for 1 year.
Celtic Mac 19:26
My point was that although the debt came down By 31m to 18m in the last two years pre-Whyte, it was due to two years CL money (say £12-15m per year). So WITHOUT CL money (as was the case in 2011-12) the debt would have shot back up again. They were spending WAY above what they were taking in (CL money apart).
All I want is for Murray or ANSJ to say how THEY would have funded the club that season. Whyte did it by with-holding tax payments. They could only have done it via major cost-cutting (ie selling five or six of their top players). But they don’t want to say that because it won’t sit well with the supporters.
A decent journalist would ask him that question – he’s on the show every few weeks!
Paul did PL write that article for you. No backbone it’s all about the money.
An Tearmann
19:27 on 14 October, 2013
If it has been omitted some justification at the very least would be required. As to the legality or justification Canalamar is checking that out.
What is possible is that UEFA said the CFCB is not relevant to the situation but that should have been fed back to the proposer.
UEFAs role in this raises questions set out in Crystal Myth.
Celtic hit the bar three times in the 1957 League Cup final – and still won 7-1
Medtim,
I have not seen the AGM published version yet but by all accounts the reference to the CFCB has been omitted and it simply refers to UEFA, IMO this is quite important as I specifically base the whole resolution around using the correct judicial body within UEFA, set up to deal with these issues.
It now looks like it is a general go greetin to yer mammy resolution, I expect reading it you would not know there was a specific judicial body nor would you know that dont need anyones permission to approach them.
BT
you going to the AGM?
just read article and playing catch up. With all due respect Paul I find the ” celtic pursued the licencing issue as far as they were permitted” to be nonsense . As far as they wanted to maybe!! If roles were reversed they would be demanding our titles stripped ( and rightly so) and we all know they would have been . They would have been chasing financial compensation for CL campaign they were cheated out of ( and rightly so again) For that reason alone Celtic should have acted like a dog with a bone n never let it lie . They owe that much to their fans for being cheated for so long. Seems the board are happy with ” move along timmy, nothing to see here. Not Happy
Roddybhoy
Che
Yip…
Ladies ready so catch up later.
Auldheid,
“What is possible is that UEFA said the CFCB is not relevant to the situation but that should have been fed back to the proposer.”
Only the CFCB could make that decision, no one else at UEFA has that authority, the board only needed to follow the published rules of making the CFCB aware of the situation or ask them for an investigation, I dont believe they done either.
Lennybhoy 19:27 14/10/2013:
St. John Doyle:
Ghuys, I attended the Requiem Mass today of St. John Doyle as did others from here including Paul67. It was a beautiful Mass. I also went on to Daldowie Crematorium where Colleagues spoke highly of him, recalling funny stories, what he achieved and despite political differences how they respected each other and could enjoy a pint. They also mentioned his beloved Celtic.
Linda wrote a wonderful piece in the Order of Service recounting where George was from, how they met, what he achieved in life including: academically and in Politics. She spoke fondly of their Family including Sean. It is too long to put on this page and if I am being totally honest too long to type. Here is part of what Linda wrote:
…”George had many great loves. We were the love of each other’s lives. We finished each other’s sentences and bickered constantly and he never left my side. As anybody who ever invited George out for an evening will testify he just wouldn’t go, choosing instead to stay home with me and the kids. There he would read posts on his beloved Celtic Quick News blog. He took advice on every subject from his Pals on there – CQN was his extended Family and they have been fantastic support to me now”…
As you know we started donating to get four tickets for the Family to sit together at the Ajax game on 22nd Oct. We achieved this aim and we also sent a lovely floral tribute, which was much appreciate, it simply said ‘CQN’.
We have continued with the donations and I will continue to accept these up to the Ajax game on 22nd October. The monies will then be given from ‘CQN’ to the ‘Mini St. John Doyle’ Fund, set up in memory of Sean who was stillborn in 2000. It was George and Linda’s dream to buy two log cabins in Loch Lomomd for families who have suffered similar heartache to have a place to go for some respite.
As of this evening you have donated a staggering £1,258.80, phenomenal amount from George’s extended family. We have paid for the tickets and floral tribute from this amount. To date £1.004.30 will be given to the ‘Mini St. John Doyle Fund’ from you.
I know there are donations in transit and some have said that they will give money at the Ajax game; therefore I will continue to accept donations until then.
lennybhoycfc@gmail.com
God Bless George Ryan, God Bless the Ryan Clan.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
oglach
19:26 on 14 October, 2013
Hail Hail mate superb.
GlassTwoThirdsFull
19:39 on 14 October, 2013
Celtic Mac 19:26
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I get pissed off at the debt came down myth.
It was £5.9m according to their accounts (I know) in 2006. Shot up to £31m after £29m was spent to bring in players in 2007/08, offset by sales of about £18M for a net transfer cost of £11m but NOT including the big uplift in wages.
This spend produced a CL team and the CL money started to reduce the debt from £31m to £18m but only because Lloyds installed their man to curb Smiths spending. He still managed £3-£4m on Jelavic.
The failure of football as a whole to understand Rangers part in their own downfall and the damage done to our game amazes me unless I accept stupidity is the master.
“As oil is to the oil industry so stupidity is to football” Soccernomics.
ernie lynch
Surely there is some mistake ,according to the MSM the charges against DK were DROPPED .
How can he plead guilty if the charges were dropped
iki 16:58
What were the reasons given by SFA and UEFA for rejecting the challenge?
I think that is important. Did they say no wrong-doing had taken place? Or was it that there were no avenues available to challenge?
lennybhoy
you have mail
canamalar,
cheers
IF IF IF (maybe someone who has the fishal document can confirm) the reference to CFCB has been removed then it would be very strange indeed.
Reference to CFCB is made 3 TIMES!!! in what is the OPENING PARAGRAPH of the resolution.Kinda hard to miss.
Along with the 2011 UEFA licence it is the very essence of what the resolution is about
It is mentioned again on page1 and is the sole topic of Note 1 which takes up the whole of page 2.
Strange days indeed.
Look forward to the explanation
medtim
Oglach
19:26 on 14 October, 2013
http://www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/681-history-of-rte/684-rte-1940s/289798-eamon-de-valeras-response-to-winston-churchill/
Apparently Churchill listened to the broadcast and afterward sat quiet and reflective.
Ernie..,
Was it after that he threatened to commit genocide
I’ve always said that Celtic should have been seen to decry that mob and especially their tribute act.
I’ve always known that their shameless rebirth would cause us more pain than them.
We should have cried them out and have been damned. Damned by a confederacy of dunces – ones we all know too, too well. But there would have been no surprises there and we would have been together – just like that day when Lenny stated that this was just the beginning – singularly together.
Instead we face a Celtic damned by its own support – or at least a part of it – and a fear of complicity.
I always knew their sh*t would stink and the reek would last. And that their fallout would have long lasting and adverse effects on our club’s future. That their pollutants would have to be dealt with by every club in Scotland.
They spoiled the game. Finished it for me to be honest. And they ain’t done yet – not by a long shot.
U
canamalar prays Oscar can do it again
19:50 on 14 October, 2013
Auldheid,
“What is possible is that UEFA said the CFCB is not relevant to the situation but that should have been fed back to the proposer.”
Only the CFCB could make that decision, no one else at UEFA has that authority, the board only needed to follow the published rules of making the CFCB aware of the situation or ask them for an investigation, I dont believe they done either.
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Yup that is my reading of CFCB rules, but I heard from a fellow poster last week that UEFA had been lobbied with no indication of support.
It is not beyond the many possibilities that UEFA would rather not have questions asked of them.
Canalamar
This is what fuels my suspicion of UEFA.
• The release notified in September from the need to provide future financial information to UEFA at a time when HMRC were asking for the same kind of information, combined with the tone with which such information was passed to Rangers by the SFA , asks serious questions of the SFA’s understanding of the purpose of club licensing and the SFA’s understanding of their responsibilities to the UK tax payer, who lost £2.8m because SFA failed to make payment a condition of granting and retaining the licence. It also begs the question exactly what did the SFA tell UEFA that UEFA released Rangers from the need to provide future financial information and did UEFA ever confirm in writing? <=======!!!
After weeks of persuasion the Class Representative for the University of Edinburgh Students Association finaly agreed to have his law students consider my petition.
Hours later the Scottish Parliament e-petition site crashed showing the following message “Server Error in ‘/gettinginvolved/petitions’ Application. Runtime Error”
The rest of the Scottish Parliament’s sites including others on the Public Petitions Committee are in rude health.
What a reflection on the Public Petitions Committee. This is not the first time this has happened and when taken with missing signatures, comments, etc. reflects very badly on what was once the jewel in the crown of the Scottish Parliament.
Che (Standing Beside Wee Oscar) 19:57:
Sorry mate not got it, received a few e-mails since I posted but not yours
lennybhoycfc@gmail.com
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
canamalar
I know you are seeking legal advice about the changes to your resolution however I would be very surprised if these changes, without agreement from you the author, are legal. If it was legal then any resolution to an AGM could be changed to suit the purposes of a board. What would be the point of preparing a resolution in the first place ?
Lennybhoy, what terrific sentiments. I usually debated with St John but was always impressed by his decency. No surprise to those who knew him of course.
Bourne soup, really? Wow, I never knew that 57 fact.
When have we ever been afraid of them ? Seriously. Growing up in this city taught me one thing, back down from the braggarts and it emboldens them.
Was in the pub earlier and probably because no games this weekend chat got round to the best Celtic team ever. From the sixties till now was the agreed timescale. We decided on a first team and a second team. On the first team we quickly agreed on a concensus,more or less. The second team was much more difficult and no concessus was agreed. Your suggested sides would be most welcome
Our sides are:
442 format….
Simpson.
McGrain, Hay, McNeil, Gemmill
Johnstone, Murdoch, Auld, Lennox
Dalglish, Larson
2nd team
Boruc
Craig, Elliot, Balde, Agathe
Mgeady, Burns, Moravchick, Yogi Hughes,
Nicholas McBride,
Ah well how does a day start at Cameron House, Loch Lomond.
1. Breakfast – Kenny McDowell
How does an evening finish, a bier (Becks)
2. James/Sandy Easdale and Craig Mathers plus some wee guy with glasses.
Now I wasn’t in either of their company, but I’ll no be back…..!
The 2. are all away through for dinner, wee shout for the manager and we have a table ready, noted only James wearing brown rogues, sorry brouges…..
HH
How is Canalamar paying for his challenge?
We can’t expect him to pick up the tab.
Could someone tell me what time the AGM Starts on the 15th Nov please
Where is it said that the board have changed the resolution ?
Had a look see but can’t find it, anyone point me in the right direction please.
Thanks.
HH
Prestonpans..,
I want to get my facts straight before I go charging in, if I am right then I will be looking for answers and satisfaction.
I am not a happy bunny.
Big Nan,
No money will be accepted, I will not allow this to be turned into a scam or give anyone the opportunity to imply such, if people want to make donations then give it to deserving causes, I went into this with eyes wide open.
Hail Hail
big cup winners
Yeah mate, you are right.
I’m scunnered by our board .
They have kept quiet on all matters relating to their cheating.
My God they were more vocal over Dougiegate which was about a penalty .
The zombies have systematically cheated us and Scottish football for years, polluted it with their sectarian filth, dodged their social taxes and bumped a massive list of creditors.
Stole champions league monies from us with an illegal SFA registration and will now run roughshod over us to appoint a thoroughly discredited individual to their board !!!
We must stand up and be counted .
If not it will be us that are dead ducks!
Billy Bhoy 05
20:22 on 14 October, 2013
best Celtic XI from players I’ve seen
Boruc
McGrain McNeill Connolly Gemmell
Johnstone McStay Murdoch Lennox
Dalglish Larsson
2nd team
Bonner
Hay Aitken Clark Boyd
Moravcik Lambert Auld Burns
McAvennie Sutton