Time for an inquest into fragile Celtic limbs


One of the things Neil Lennon may have on his agenda for the international break is an inquest into the physical condition of his playing squad.  The season is a month old and Celtic have an injury list which would wipe out pretty much every other team in the country.  If this was an isolated occurrence it would be no more than curious but we have written about, and discussed, the fragile limbs of Celtic players since the Lennoxtown Training Centre opened nearly five years ago.

Since then Celtic ‘lost’ (more on that at a later date) three leagues by a maximum of six points and lost valuable form and points due to first choice players sitting in the stands on match day.

On Saturday our central midfield was without Ledley, Brown, Wanyama, Kayal and McGeouch (on a non-fitness related injury), while even auxiliary stand-in for central mid, Charlie Mulgrew, was on the list of others getting treatment.

The run of bad luck has moved clearly into the realms of statistical relevance.  It is not luck at all, we are doing something wrong.

Football clubs look to sports science to deliver multiple objectives.  Competitive pressure is put on players to become faster and to be able to run as effectively late in games as they can in the opening minutes (which for now is a physical impossibility but remains a key target), but we are clearly missing a trick.

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  1. ToneLoc, Vmhan, there is more to it than just that.



    Kojo, every club needs someone with a working knowledge of the classics to keep them in check. You are indeed correct.



    The Greeks know.



    ASonOfDan, they did, but here we are.

  2. TFOD supporter in my work is claiming that Sevco will be charging £1 per ticket but £15 for a programme against the Mothers as some payback.



    Can anyone confirm or am I having my leg pulled?

  3. saltires en sevilla on




    The trading regime or the surface at Lennoxtown may be a factor.



    However, the ongoing negligent attitude of match officials to dangerous and illegal tackling of players is the primary cause of injury to our players and to other teams too !



    It also wrecks the game in Scotland both in terms of entertainment and development of skill.



    We lost 25 years when the rest of the world was working on technique and movement …. We were watching thuggery and managers and players gave evolved in that image. Thugs prosper.



    Sort out the Refs bring in a batch of qualified continental refs tell them to apply the rules 100%



    Then Watch our game go from strength to strength ! It’s actually not too difficult to organise…if there is a will to make it happen.




  4. i have always disliked scottish football establishment because


    i always felt it was biased, now that i know for a fact that it is biased i am slowly but surely starting to turn from it


    and wanting our club to leave it if it can or do what belfast celtic did and leave it for ever, i really cannot stand being


    part of it as i feel by particapating in it we are lending some


    credence to it,we know what they have been doing for decades hell even they know that we know for sure now and yet we go along with the charade that passes for governance,we have achieved what we have inspite of this farce but deep down i dont to be apart of this anymore because it allows the sense


    of impartiality to be falsely portrayed when deep down we know


    its anything but impartial,for godsake look at this whole charade and imagine this going on in elsewhere, it would be ridiculed and mocked yet here we are being a part of this


    whole set up and allowing ourselves to be governed by them,


    totally sick of it and hanging on by my nails to stay with it,


    its only a matter of time before i let go for good,i understand others who say they wont be brow beat by them but thats not the point its supposed to be sport for godsake again its anything but in scotland.

  5. theweegreenman – Can anyone confirm or am I having my leg pulled?



    Definitely pulled.



    There’s no way Sevco are worth £1. You could have bought Rangers for that. (thumbsup)

  6. Som mes que un club on




    Ticket prices to be agreed with both clubs, so not a chance.




  7. Did the injury problem not start with Brian Scott’s sacking, rather than the move to Lenoxtown?

  8. Phil Mac Giolla Bhain’s book is at no. 13 in the Amazon chart for the UK.


    As 3 of the position s above him are taken by EL James (Fifty Shades of Grey, etc.), this makes him the eleventh best-selling author in this country.

  9. TwoTunTimfromTeddington on




    It’s a rumour that’s doing the rounds in sevco world. It was even mentioned on TalkSport earlier today but was also dismissed out of hand.

  10. Philvis



    Buying a Football Club for a pound? Are you mad? In this day and age? There ain’t nobody in this day and age out there who’d sell a complete football club for a pound sterling.



    Why, they’d have to be a completely cotton headed ninny muggins!



    Oh, you are funny I’ll give that.



    A pound…



    Tee hee…




  11. Sir Paul



    Yes.. Ye goat the Right.. Awe Right..




    By the wey..



    Ye know.. that old.. adage..or ..is it .. An Aphorism?






    “Luck..is the Residue o’ Design.”








    In Celtic’s Case.. Neil and his Helpers.. hiv NevAH EVAH..Hoid o’ that Auld saying..



    It is time the Neil and his Helpers..



    Goat oot the Tin.. o’ Design Residue…,which is still Lying aboot ..Unused..






    Jock Stein.. Left fur .. his Successors..oan the Mantel.. Behind…



    the Pair of China Dugs… that he goat as a Present.. fae..his Aunt Clara.






    Still.. Laughin’

  12. Som mes que un club on

    And in any case, why would Sevco agree to such a ridiculous idea?



    48,000 @ £1?




  13. philvisreturns



    14:14 on 4 September, 2012





    ‘ IDS strikes me as a genuinely decent man, doing his best. Also why the scare quotes around “reforms”? ‘





    IDS is a none too bright, ex mid ranking army officer.



    His best isn’t good enough, because he’s not up to the job.



    And yes, there’s a couple of political jokes in there for anyone who wants to pick over the bones.



    More generally it was interesting to hear the different reactions Osborne and Brown got from the crowd at the paralympics. Do these people know something we don’t?

  14. godblesstommyburns on

    ernie lynch



    prematch pies do not taste as good without being able to watch scotty dropkick / half volley crosses and shots as part of a keepers warm up. it was always a mystery to me why we didnt kill two birds with one stone and have wingers practise crossing to warm the keeper up. It may account for the loss of some trophies…

  15. The deliberate and malicious targeting by the opposition on our players ankles & shins with late tackles is the main reason why we have a number of players out injured,these constant tackles which other teams employ with impunity against us certainly must take its toll on our players bodies

  16. TwoTunTimfromTeddington


    14:30 on


    4 September, 2012





    It’s a rumour that’s doing the rounds in sevco world. It was even mentioned on TalkSport earlier today but was also dismissed out of hand






    There are minimum prices for all cup competitions.



    Also if I was in charge of a club topping the SPL and the manager said he expected to get beat by a team in mid table in Division 3, I’d be sacking him without a second thought as I’d be thinking he must be taking a bribe or betting against his own team!

  17. From the Levante website.


    Lassad signed nothing.


    Sorry if it’s been posted before. Not read back yet.



    The President and Sporting Director explained the position of Levante UD in the case Lassad


    September 3, 2012 – 17:32 pm.


    Rate the story


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    The President of Levante UD, Quico Catalan, said in the joint appearance you made ​​with the athletic director, Manolo Salvador, in the club feel “cheated and duped” by the striker’s agent Lassad Nouioui and take “measures appropriate to who takes “after the player signed for Celtic after reaching a preliminary agreement with them.



    The highest representative levantinista has detailed all aspects of the negotiation with the representative of Lassad Nouioui, Aklil Karim, who headed the Levant express wish Tunisian footballer after having talked with him by telephone. “The only person you can talk to is Aklil Karim agent, that is the information you give us Lassad and he was our only partner,” he said.



    Quico Catalan has read the documents in which the player’s agent confirmed the agreement for two seasons and even the public pursuant to the agreement, although Lassad could not sign contracts not to be with his representative.



    “The club shall take appropriate action against whomsoever has to be taken in principle against the player’s agent and then we’ll see,” said Quico Catalan, who has said his goal is “that it does not happen to another club, because it is important to keep over. Unable to play Levante image or any club. “

  18. ulysses mcghee – I know, it’s an idea so wacky it should be in a film.



    It could be like Brewster’s Millions, except be about a penniless shyster who convinces everybody he is a billionaire. (thumbsup)




    ernie lynch – IDS is a none too bright, ex mid ranking army officer.



    The old ad hominem.



    More generally it was interesting to hear the different reactions Osborne and Brown got from the crowd at the paralympics. Do these people know something we don’t?



    That they like their benefits?



    If you’re fit enough to compete at the Olympics, you can probably hold down a job. (thumbsup)

  19. Johnny Clash @13:58



    I feel your pain bro!! I was the same… galloping along through Pollock park quite the thing,exited the park at the 9 mile marker and my legs turned to stone!! My Garmin was playing up and I reckon I was going waaaay too fast to begin.



    Covered the last 4 miles like Ally McCoist on his way to weightwatchers.



    PS. Condolences to the friends and family of the 28 year old guy doing the half marathon who collapsed and died on Ballater street. Tragic.

  20. Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire on



    wasnt Scott found to be a major press leak, dismissed because he was releasing sensitive club information

  21. If you did not recieve disability benifits you would have been able to become a Paralypmian




    Lady Tanni Grey-Thompson warned in May about DLA cuts, and other Paralympians have now spoken out. Photograph: Chris Radburn/PA


    A group of British Paralympians have expressed their fears over government plans to cut disability living allowance (DLA), warning that the benefit is vital to enable them to live independently.



    Under coalition welfare reforms, hundreds of thousands of disabled people will lose the allowance when the government replaces DLA with more restrictive personal independence payments (PIP) in 2013.



    The Paralympians fear that the potential loss of the benefit, worth between £20 and £131.50 a week, which helps with the extra costs of transport, equipment, care and other specialist needs that disabled people have, could undermine the key legacy issue of the Games – to open up access to sport for disabled people.



    The government plans to replace the allowance, which goes to about 3.2 million people at an annual cost of £12.6bn, with personal independence payments (PIP) from 2013. It estimates that up to 500,000 people will lose entitlement to DLA over the next four years as eligibility criteria are tightened and claims reassessed.



    Ministers have argued that DLA is outdated and the switch to PIP will enable the benefit to be targeted at “people who need it most”. But campaigners say restricting the benefit will force thousands of sick and disabled people to give up work, and give back their specially adapted Motability cars.



    Lady Tanni Grey-Thompson, who won 11 Paralympic gold medals, warned in May that the DLA cuts could affect the development of top athletes and prevent working-age disabled adults from engaging not just in sport but in society as a whole.



    Ade Adepitan, the Paralympic wheelchair medallist who is a Channel 4 presenter for the Games, said: “Without DLA I would not have been able to do what I did or be a top athlete.”



    Other Paralympians who have voiced their concerns at the proposals include:



    Natasha Baker, equestrian



    “Disability living allowance enables disabled people another life. If they have DLA they might be able to afford the petrol to go to work … it allows us to be independent. I love my independence. I hate relying on other people to do everything for me. I drive and probably would not be able to afford the petrol if I didn’t have the DLA. I have a Motability car. I have support from lottery fund but definitely, getting around would be a hell of a lot harder without DLA.”



    Aaron Phipps, rugby



    “It pays for those essential things that I need. A new wheelchair costs £1,700. I would not be able to live independently without a wheelchair like this. It is just completely essential. I would be completely lost without it. ”



    Kylie Grimes, rugby



    “DLA is really important. It has been a massive help for me over the years. It is only in the last 18 months I have got back to playing sport properly. I have been injured now five-and-a-half years. I would have been lost without it to be honest.”



    Sue Gilroy, table tennis



    “I have tried not to worry about it. If they did decide to stop things it would make life impossible. I have carers at home, I have people coming to help me with the things I cannot manage myself. Obviously things are a lot more expensive. Wheelchairs, cars. £20,000 of adaptations on the car, Motability.”



    Ali Jawad, weightlifting



    “They need to sort it because a lot of people would suffer for not being eligible for mobility. I just hope the government have thought this through … [if they haven’t] they are going to have a lot of disabled people who are losing their independence, which is not what we want.”



    David Clarke, football



    “It does seem as though disabled people’s independence is being jeopardised by the government’s proposals and what worries me is that it has been done with good intentions in certain areas, but is so wide of the mark.



    “DLA matters. It covers some of those additional costs that we wouldn’t necessarily have the money for.



    “What DLA does is enables you to afford all the additional support you need without impinging on the income you receive. It puts you on a par with ot

  22. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on




    We certainly are doing something wrong……playing in Scotland, where some cluggers substitute brutish tackles for skill, and where some referees don’t (want to ?) protect Celtic players…….



    Anyway, to my main point, Fholks …….. For the past 5 years, I have suffered from what seems to be a similar degenaritive problem with my back / hip and, following 2 MRIs, The medical advice to me was that it can be cured with an operation ……no way, hosay

  23. MurdochauldandHay – I had a look at the figures and it seems that Disability Living Allowance has increased from £9 billion in 2003 to over £12 billion now, and is still rising, in real terms, under this heartless baby-eating Tory government.



    Also, the government is not abolishing it as the lachrymose and fearmongering testimonials you post would imply. They’re just trying to stop its costs from rising into the stratosphere, because we’re broke, by making benefits more targeted and weeding out fraud.



    Hardly the Dickensian assault on the crippled that professional campaigners are making it out to be. (thumbsup)

  24. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors on

    Sorry, hit the wrong key….LOL …….to continue….



    If Scott has been given similar advice, and wants to try the operation, I sincerely hope Celtic don’t allow him to play again until he has the operation, and fully recovers………

  25. Afternoon chaps.



    I am looking for a bit of advice if possible please.



    Me and 2 other friends have booked travel and accommodation in Barcelona but are unsure about our best options to see the game.



    I don’t have a season ticket so getting tickets for the celtic section through the club will be a non starter I would imagine. What are the other options to get a ticket in the away section?



    Alternatively the barca site is selling tickets in the home end now beside the away supporters, would it be better to buy tickets for there now or toinvestigate the possibility of away end tickets further?



    I would really appreciate any advice as this will be our first away experience with Celtic.



    Many thanks in Advance




  26. Jeez-oh.



    If it’s tuesday and it’s Disability Living Allowance for a topic, this has to be international week.

  27. If There’s A Woid For Ma Dear Frien’..KOJO




    It Hiz Tae Be….RELENTLESS..




    Here He Comes….Strollin’ Thru’ The Saloon Doors O’ CQN….Nae ,Swaggerin’ Oan The Sawdust Flair….



    Like Gary Cooper….In “High Noon”..Mean Moody…..An’ Magnificent…..



    Chimin’ Fulsome Praises Of That Desperado….Oliver Cromwell..Leader Of The Wicked RoundHeid Posse……



    He Is Unchallenged….Not One Soul Stirs



    Starin’ Intae Their Sweet Stouts….



    Slidin’ Under Their Tables….






    The Piano Player Resumes Tinklin’ The Ivories….”Lilly Bolero”….This Time….



    No Shriekin’ Fae Kilbowie Kelt….Callin’ For His Entrails….



    No Fatwah Oan His Luxuriously Tonsured Heid Fae Ayatollah SFTB….



    The Crickets Chirr-Up….”Ur The Huns Deid ?”….



    “Set ‘Em Up ,Barman….Double Sasparilla



    …Oan The Rocks….”



    “An’ Tell Grace Kelly Ah’ll Be Up Fer Ma ‘Bubble Bath’ ….Directly….”



    ” An’ If Evil Ernie Lynch Wants Me To ‘Tear Him A New One….”



    ” He Only Has To Whistle….Close His Lips And Blow….”






    In The Coarner Of The Saloon Bar…..


    The Resident Mouse…..Smacks The Neighbourhood Cat…Wi’ A Ten Poon Hammer….



    As Wee Jimmy Sanderson Would Say….




    Back In The Day….



    You Hid Tae Be There….Caller.

  28. 67 posts and no one has blamed the ‘kafflic scools’ yet. What’s going on.


    If its the grass then they should make a determined effort to give it up!






    Next »








    13:47 on 4 September, 2012




    And so Doctor Philvis finds himself leaping from podium to podium, striving to put right what once went wrong and hoping each time that his next leap… will be the leap to FIRST. (thumbsup)



    Most of us are above this sort of thing now,but fire in,old bean.

  30. BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS – Those grapes were probably sour anyway. :) (thumbsup)

  31. Scott was released because he had a drink problem and was messing about behind his wifes back with young females.



    It was the talk of Rutherglen at the time.

  32. O.G. Rafferty 14.15 Well done my Sun.


    I am in awe at the knowledge of some of the posters on here.



    I Have been following CQN for about 6 months and I got my registration and password through at the same time as all the other new faces. I introduced myself at that time but the site was pretty hectic. I pre-ordered my book this morning on Amazon.



    I followed your link and looked at the 6 customer discussions part.



    The first discussion titled – To my surprise- has a post by WC Melville (obviously a Hun) really disturbed me



    Can any poster on here enlighten me .



    I am not a Hun but I AM a proud celtic supporter

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