Tomorrow Celtic have a Scottish Cup tie away to Peterhead, currently second bottom of the Third Division. Peterhead have recorded their only two home wins of the season in the last two weeks, so Celtic’s scouts will have seen them at their best, but the break from league action will allow Neil Lennon to rest players who have been carrying niggling injuries, including James Forrest, whose terrific form could be jeopardised by the stresses of carrying such a prominent responsibility for Celtic.
The game in Peterhead will also give fringe players an opportunity to shine. I suspect Paddy McCourt is still carrying the can for hitting the post against St Johnstone in August, the day it all started to go wrong. We’ve missed him. Emilio Izaguirre and Kelvin Wilson would also benefit from 90 minutes football as the squad reassembles itself, although the game might come too soon for Kris Commons.
News that Beram Kayal’s injury is likely to keep him out of action for four months was sickening. This is the third serious injury Beram has suffered since joining Celtic 18 months ago. I read a bit about grade 3 eversion ankle sprains yesterday. He’ll need the best treatment and recuperation in the days and months to come.
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oglach
But our club would be complicit in letting them back too, what do you suggest we do to the PLC?…por cierto
just switched on TV and a programme called Walter Smith: The football years was on. Had to do a double take i was not on Comedy Gold channel. A quick change of channel and watch Westlife. Phew.
Jordan Rhodes is a Celtic fan http://t.co/D8xM1nWc.
leftclicktic says:
7 January, 2012 at 15:58
Cracking shout.
Por Cierto says:
7 January, 2012 at 15:59
‘oglach
But our club would be complicit in letting them back too, what do you suggest we do to the PLC?…por cierto’
If Celtic are involved in any move to let the newco huns straight into the SPL then as far as I’m concerned the club’s dead and I’ll not be back.
I’ve no interest in supporting one half of the old firm, because that’s all that we would be.
One half of the old firm.
Sannabhoy
here’s my mate’s blog that he mentioned other night
hope you enjoy, its fun and he’s a talented writer
blogspot
This is from the SPL rules and regs with regard to winding up
14. If:-
(i) a Member shall cease to be entitled to hold a Share; or
(ii) a trustee in sequestration, manager, receiver or administrative receiver shall be appointed in respect of a Member or any property of a Member, or an administration order shall be made in respect of a Member or any property of a Member or an order shall be made or an
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effective resolution passed for the winding up of a Member otherwise than for the purpose of reconstruction or amalgamation;
then that Member or its manager, receiver, administrative receiver, administrator or liquidator or any other person entitled to the Share shall, on receiving notice in writing from the Board following the Company in General Meeting passing a Qualified Resolution that such notice should be issued by the Board and confirming the identity of the proposed transferee, transfer its Share to such other person as the Board shall direct at the price of £1 and the Club owned and operated by such Member shall forthwith cease to be a member of the League and the Club owned and operated by the transferee shall become a member of the League in its place.
Is this what the Huns are banking on?
gsu
bjmac
Thanks, must have missed that.
Mort
Great news about Kris Commons !
Had heard previously that he was for the off on loan to Southampton.
This seems not to be the case.
An important player for us.
Excellent !
I keep waiting for ONE of the many Motherwell fans who swear they hate us and the huns equally and who wish that the Glaswegian Ugly Sisters would go out of business to say they want the huns to go out of business now that that particular opportnity has knocked. Distress signals a go-go I’m afraid
ernie lynch says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:04
Por Cierto says:
7 January, 2012 at 15:59
‘oglach
a point i was making earlier. i think if the board help with the rescue of “orclife” it would seriously fracture the support.
Por Cierto says:
7 January, 2012 at 15:59
oglach
But our club would be complicit in letting them back too, what do you suggest we do to the PLC?…por cierto
I really don’t know apart from new Celts for change movement. But that and any further action we, the fans, take against the board would be self-harming. I know supporters are talking about never setting foot in CP again should Newco be allowed to join the SPL but why should they and the rest of us lose the club we love because of a few self-serving individuals that comprise our board. I really don’t see what action we have open to us apart from threating to boycott away games and cancelling TV subscriptions. Hit them where it hurts.
The Battered Bunnet says:
7 January, 2012 at 15:45
excellent post, TBB. I have a friend that was also on the periphery of things with EK when his son was playing with the boys. Don’t think he’s been involved since his parents were both killed in a crash at Ferniegair about 18 months ago. You may know him.
hh
bjmac
Lots of chat about NewCo Huns….
Whilst I share the pessimism about Scottish football’s sense of justice and fair play, it should be remembered that this is more than a football issue – it is a government issue.
Whyte may well be able to stitch up the football authorities but HMRC is a different proposition. Even if NewCo avoid the tax bill watch for legal challenges galore, tying the new company up in red tape from day one, as well as a punitive attitude toward VAT and PAYE collection by HMRC.
This is one sticky situation where the Huns’ ability to corrupt the football authorities will not be enough to carry the day.
TopCorner says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:14
Totally agree with that. KC has got a lot to offer from the middle
gsu
The Battered Bunnet says:
7 January, 2012 at 15:45
Good job Abraham never had you to deal with over the fate of Sodom and Gommoragh :).
The chances of finding anything worth saving in Oldco to create Newco are as good as Abraham’s were mind you. I would not call what I suggested barterring but evidence of contrition and so the possibility of metanoia.
However I have seen no recognition whatsoever of wrongdoingt never mind contrition
Nevertheless if a truly Newco were to emerge from the ashes they would get the nod from Football imo. That does not mean I agree but it is the kind of commercial judgement I would expect Football to make.
Good luck with EK btw. My lad plays for them (weather permitting) and I remember digging out some Grant info for them a few years back. Glad they are still pursuing their dreams.
ItaliaBhoy says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:17
Yup. The one party whose views has not had any coverage, because they maintain confidentiality is HMRC. I have never bought into the idea they will meekly roll over and play dead.
Greensideup
KC has got a lot to offer from the middle
Thought that was the problem.
Winningemmell the ML2 wrong uns can advise their govan big brothers on living with a points penalty as with McCall in charge of them they start every season at -12 four defeats to the big wrong uns guaranteed before a ball is kicked.
HAIL HAIL
Re SPL regulations and rules. Does anyone know what is required to change any of the rules regarding clubs insolvency and penalties arising from this? If it only takes a majority of members to vote for amendment of the rules they, the rules, aren’t worth the paper they are written on. For instance what if an emergency meeting of the SPL member clubs was called a day or so before Der H*N were due to be placed into the hands of a receiver and if the majority of the members voted to change the regulations regarding a new teams automatic entry to the SPL! Can this happen?
Greensideup is also Neil Lennon says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:08
From your post something jumped out at me – 1 share in the SPL is worth exact same as approx 85% of the share in the huns.
To answer your point, though.Yes that is the area which has been discussed at length, particularly between midnight and 2.30am this morning, if you have time a lot of it is worth reading and althoug there can be no conclusive info on what will happen, it does provide a good idea from some of the legal minds on here.
hh
bjmac
Bjmac
Nup, not familiar with the fellow. What team does his boy play in?
Auldheid
Will Campbell Ogilvie play Lot’s wife?
oglach says:
7 January, 2012 at 15:50
How exactly would the Celtic Board be complicit in allowing Newco into the SPL? If they vote to allow it they would be, but if they vote aqainst it in what way would they be deemed to be complicit?
Okay lads … are you ready for this one.
This appears to be The Worst Possible News … and we need to refocus our thinking.
This is from H13 of the SPL Regulations … and if this is not a new amendment I am stunned, I tell you.
“Membership of League confers Membership of SFA
H13 In accordance with the SFA Articles and to the extent that it is not already a full or associate member of SFA, membership of the League confers registered membership of the SFA.”
That takes care of the SFA’s commitment to this situation.
This is very much in the SPL’s own hands.
James F
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mail should be with you now mate
cheers
M
Auld Neil Lennon heid says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:38
Voting against, and doing nothing further, in the knowledge that every other club is voting for, would be being complicit.
Lawwell in the role of Pontius Pilot?
James Forrest is Lennon says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:41
I think that point was made some months ago on the RTC blog.
It’s all down to the SPL.
Off for beers, all quiet on the transfer front anyway
Auld Neil Lennon heid says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:38
oglach says:
7 January, 2012 at 15:50
How exactly would the Celtic Board be complicit in allowing Newco into the SPL? If they vote to allow it they would be, but if they vote aqainst it in what way would they be deemed to be complicit?
I would consider the Celtic board to have given its tacit approval if the only action they take to prevent a Newco entry to the SPL as casting a no vote. As seems likely the other clubs vote in favour (obviously dependant on Mad Vlads mood on the day). The borad will have done nothing in real terms to stop a Newco playing in the SPL.
The very least I would expect from our board is that they instigate legal action to prevent the reinstatement of Rangers mark 2 into the SPL.
Lack of shock results in the Scottish Cup – ICT down at home to Dunfermline look like the only SPL side in danger of going out
ernie lynch says:
Yep. The people hoping Rangers needing to apply to the SFA for membership of the Association are wrong. If the SPL confers membership, then SFA membership comes automatically … and thus NewCo Rangers can dodge the first big bullet.
Does this affect the club license, which is a different thing?
That’s what remains to be seen.
Whatever the outcome of all this,the Celtic Trust and the Association must release a statement on Newco’s formation to say that the Celtic support no longer recognises the previous historical success of the Oldco in relation to the new club.
If the club can’t do anything and the authorities won’t do anything we as fans must publicise our non recognition.
James Forrest is Lennon says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:41
That isn’t new news James. That was raised months ago.
BRTH pointed it out again last night. It has alway been with the SPL on their newco getting back in to the SPL. However that does not take away the possible litigation against the SFA, nor does it take away both the SFA & SPL’s responsibility to the “integrity” of Scottish game.
hh
bjmac
See, it wouldn’t automatically apply … as there are 36 member clubs in the SFA outwith those in the SPL and the SFL.
Membership simply means they can apply for a license without having to satisfy an even more complicated, and byzantian, criteria.
But it’s bad news alright. It eliminates whole slews of regulations and scrutiny.
ernie lynch says:
7 January, 2012 at 16:44
The assumption being Celtic did nothing to persuade the other clubs to do the right thing.
How would we know?
Just assume if the other clubs vote to allow Newco in that Celtic never made any effort to diisuade them?
That appears to be the default position of some.
I hope Celtic are taking heed of the support’s views and are vigorously campaigning on the integrity of the game issue, but short of threatening to pull out of the competition what else can they do if the other clubs ignore the moral hazard aspect of allowing Newco into the SPL?
Auldheid:
You just said what they could do. They could threaten the SPL with the nuclear option.
Resignation.
If the league depends on the two clubs, I would simply demand they choose which of the two clubs they want. The one which ran things fairly, within the rules, the one which respected good governance or the one formerly owned by a criminal tax evader and now owned by a simple criminal?
And by their choice shall they be judged.
1652: Auchinleck Talbot get the ball in the net to draw level at Hearts but it has been ruled offside!
Auld Heid
I agree 100% with Ernie & Oglach, PL & the board to take no action other than vote “no” is complicit and will have severe impact on Celtic and our season ticket sales.
Unless the board actively fight as and when the time comes, it will be Celtic who will suffer most from this whole episode – the board must/should be aware of that.
hh
bjmac