Just as with the last round of games two weeks ago, Hearts get the chance to extend their lead at the top to five points before Celtic play a day later. On that occasion, both teams left it late, relying on added-time winners to secure home wins.
Those wins were against teams with similar form; both on 8 points and neither had until then been defeated. This weekend, Hearts are at Kilmarnock, who are third in the table, while Celtic are at 11th placed Dundee. That variance might be useful.
The game at Kilmarnock will tell us a lot about the season ahead. Killie’s only defeat this season was courtesy of that late penalty in their 1-2 defeat to Celtic. Five of their seven games have been against six of the other sides in the top seven places in the table. They are a well-organised and difficult to beat side, who after Hearts, can look forward to more comfortable matches against struggling Newco and Aberdeen.
If Derek McInnes’ Hearts can win on the Kilmarnock plastic, we will face a team fighting for the title at Tynecastle a week later, no matter what the result at Dens. The next three weeks have a crucial look to them.
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All this recent anti-Jewish furore has been partially caused by the behaviour of Netanyahu and his cohorts in the Israeli government. They have done international Jews no favours at all. However, it’s not a good idea to ban the Maccabi fans from the Villa game. But we’ll all be watching closely, the flames have now been fanned.
I read that the ‘Celtic Collective’ has came up with a new slogan namely the ‘Not Another Penny’ campaign.
Might be just me but is it appropriate to aim such a slogan at a club formed to support a ‘Penny Dinner Scheme’ by Brother Walfrid’s Poor Childrens Dinner and Breakfast Tables Charity?
I have no doubt they will ultimately end up with a team they deserve.
CHAIRBHOY
A thought for the day, something to ponder on
This isnt my thinking by the way, I value all our titles
If our success from 2012-2016 is somehow worth less because of the quality of the opposition, what does that say about our success in 2016-18 when the quality of the opposition was no better?
The league was equally competitive from 2012 – 2018, why the difference in attitude?
Sevco didnt present a bigger challenge to than the one we’d faced before. They finished third in their first two seasons, they would have finished fourth in 2013 with the 67 points they won in 2017.
We won 2013 with 99 points, we won a equally competitive 2018 with 82. Why is one worth more than the other?
God knows what history will make of this season’s Sevco team
Perhaps it’s an old firm thing which is influencing thinking but they really weren’t any better in those first two seasons than the teams we faced before. This season they are no better than lower table fodder.
Not my argument, but yours seems a bit flawed
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In football we like simple so the argument that the value of the success is determined by the quality of the opposition will get a lot of traction
But if it is your argument you need to apply the logic to all our success and value it in the same way
Logically If the quality of the opposition is the same in two league campaigns then you have to value the title the same.
Assessing the quality of the opposition is inexact but total points won against the same teams is as good an objective comparison as you’ll get
Celtic40me @ 9:59 am,
Well, we come from the premise that Burnley78 oft states that Brendan Rodgers trophies are somewhat diminished as he has not come up against real domestic opposition in Scotland.
So you’d really need to ask him why it was easier for Brendan Rodgers to win titles with a not so great R2ngers side in the League, rather than Lenny and Ronny who won without any of the Rangerses in the league.
The Rangerses that Celtic faced over the 21st Century waxed and waned, Rangers came third in the league in 2005-06 season, Hearts beating them to second spot but we don’t hear about that when WGS won his three in a row and no trebles.
Rangers went bust, then a new Club had to make their way up to the SPL, so when Lenny Mk1 won his three in a row no significant Rangerses to compete against – do we hear about that or the no trebles?
Brendan Rodgers had to face the R2ngers yet his time was transformational,
Invincibles and trebles being the order of the day.
Rangerses should not be our yard stick, the old firm thing was never healthy and now is defunct.
Celtic had a great last season but it had nothing to do with R2ngers and everything to do with competing in the UCL and winning a domestic double – Champions again as you know.
Hail Hail
Almore- many thanks, hope you’re well HH
BURNLEY78 on 16TH OCTOBER 2025 7:37 PM
I would love to see a vision from the experts that Bournesouprecipe speak of.
A vision which could come close to delivering 16 leagues in 20 years.
A vision which would see us beat the best in top leagues in Europe such as Barca Milan Man U Benfica and Leipzig in the top competition and reach last 16 in at least 3 seasons.
That kind of vision should be the minimum.
As to their ability to deliver it ……….well they have a standing start of an amazing financial positon and a key rival on their knees. So no excuses for these gurus.
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It’s only an opinion mate, I’m on the move this week, but FWIW in cornflakes
Stadium I think we agreed yesterday is a “ mess “ your word actually ✅
Footprint is a mess ✅
Recruitment is a mess ✅
Supporter relations / communication a mess ✅
That’s an abbreviated mess list BTW.
I like your vision it’s better than any I’ve heard, and it bears no resemblance whatsoever to what’s happened in the past 20 plus years of European Celtic. I won’t go down the 16 in 20 leagues route, because some commenters somewhere will consider we’ve had no serious rival for at least half of that time, an open goal as such.
Imagine a board of directors, any board including spearheading NEDS lasting 25 years in the fantasy world of football? Of course members have changed, but there’s a quorum, that require to pass the baton. A decent innings for sure, but the longevity itself creates a red flag, and most supporters would be happy to step back once in a while from perennial domestic dominance with a new board or era, that gathered a better co-efficient? It’s a darkside day indeed, when a brand new club appears on your watch, and allegedly miraculously does better than Celtic and our European elan.
Hoping to be wrong but the squad that was berated by one or two on here regularly last season ( blaming ahem somebody else ) since the Cup final and so far this season from my seat, looks shot. Buy low, sell high has backfired spectacularly, sold some too quickly, kept some too long, a difficult strategy. The year after this, will be spectacular, as the Celtic manager three years tops scenario no matter what his record is, unfolds again.
Financial results are bound to be ‘amazing’ when you don’t invest or spend close to what you bring in, whilst at the same time preach a comedic vision of ‘ world class in everything we do ’.
Astonishing that even one or two Celtic supporters on here have the temerity to mock the so called Celtic Collective guys, and or its motives, especially when ‘the board’ are at least semi contrite, and not a bit surprised, to find themselves in meetings with representatives of thousands of Celtic supporters with a vision funnily enough, not dissimilar to yours.
CHAIRBHOY on 17TH OCTOBER 2025 10:18 AM
Celtic40me @ 9:59 am,
Well, we come from the premise that Burnley78 oft states that Brendan Rodgers trophies are somewhat diminished as he has not come up against real domestic opposition in Scotland.
Thats just another straw man argument. Im not talking about anyone but you.
You can’t have it both ways. You need to apply the same value judgement to Lenny and Ronnie’s titles and Brendan’s or your entire argument fails.
Good morning CQN.
Was just reflecting back to a time on here when Jobo Baldie would faithfully post every morning a weather report (from EK I think).
Gene (maybe?) raised similar from the potteries.
Nowt to do with football but always raised a smile.
Guys – if you are lurking? Hope you are well.
Bournesouprecipe @ 10:35 am, Celtic40me…
While there has been no doubt milestones along the way this century, MO’N, carious Chairman, various CEO’s, BR&CO; a list of the titles clearly show the most significant part of the G.o.D. was Rangers dieing.
2000 Rangers
2001 Celtic – MO’N, a treble
2002 Celtic
2003 Rangers
2004 Celtic
2005 Rangers – Peter Lawwell, CEO
2006 Celtic
2007 Celtic
2008 Celtic
2009 Rangers
2010 Rangers
2011 Rangers
2012 Celtic – Rangers are defunct
2013 Celtic
2014 Celtic
2015 Celtic
2016 Celtic – BR&CO the trebles begin
2017 Celtic
2018 Celtic
2019 Celtic
2020 Celtic
2021 -R2ngers – Win their title
2022 Celtic – Micheal Nicholson, CEO
2023 Celtic
2024 Celtic
2025 -Celtic
Hail Hail
On the value of baubles chat, I take a simple view (perhaps unsurprisingly).
To win summat, you have to better than everyone else.
That’s the objective.
What nick everyone else is in?
Not particularly relevant.
If you are better than them? You win
If you are not? You don’t
If it’s close? You might not.
Fair point about the standard being raised by Brendan Rodgers from 2016.
He made us much better than the rest and trebles and doubles followed.
Ange, despite a horrendous inheritance, managed to match this including once in particular against a comparatively strong opponent when we were still weak. A remarkable achievement.
Brendan came back and we moved on again.
Winning by a margin is double edged.
When the comfort blanket of that margin is removed and it becomes more fraught … tension inevitably rises … but, if success is ultimately achieved, it is a helluva lot sweeter !
We’ve stalled a bit and need to reset and go again.
If that coincides with stiffer challenges from Hearts and yet another new dawn at R2ngers?
So be it.
Bring it on.
Back to Basics – Glass Half Full @ 10:45 am,
A message from this morning…
Jobo Baldie @ 8:59 am – Elsewhere…
Good morning, friends and a Big Happy Friday to all who post or lurk on this fine site [Sentinel Celts]
51 hours or 2 more sleeps – take your pick. And, of course, please do try to participate and to spread the word in our ongoing Player Of The Year competition. Game 14 is almost upon us
SENCELPOTY@GMAIL.COM
Hail Hail
Back to Basics – Glass Half Full @ 10:55 am,
Totally agree…
If, and it’s currently a big if, Kevin Muscat can do an “Ange” on R2ngers.
With teams like Hearts and Hibs improving, we could see much better domestic opposition, that has got to be a good thing.
Hail Hail
Chairbhoy
“a list of the titles clearly show the most significant part of the G.o.D. was Rangers dieing”
It suggests the single most significant event was Rangers death. What led to the event is a little less obvious, although not much if you remember the years preceding it.
https://x.com/CFC_Collective/status/1979087970297692646
Celtic40me @ 11:03 am,
Yes, quite – maybe we should erect a statue based on Leonardo di Vinci’s last supper, with Sir David Murray at the centre, the succulent lamb munchers, Bankers, Mr Whyte in the position of Judas and other sycophants making the other twelve attendees…
Hail Hail
THE BADA BING on 17TH OCTOBER 2025 6:51 AM
Any of the old Dublin crew about? Unexpected weekend there starts now,staying at Dublin One Dersett St lower,any tips on bars restaurants around there and in town most welcome
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The James Connolly pub is your best bet for the Dundee match. Arbour Hill, Glasnevin Cemetery and National Museum are all interesting and free ways to kill a few hours.
Don’t assume all the pubs will be showing Celtic match, I’ve had some nightmares in Dublin trying to get the Celtic match.
BACK TO BASICS – GLASS HALF FULL on 17TH OCTOBER 2025 10:55 AM
Agree with all of that. Beat what’s in front of you, enjoy the success.
CHAIRBHOY on 17TH OCTOBER 2025 11:11 AM
It’s slightly more complex than “they did it to themselves.” But again, not much
The ‘not a penny more’ campaign always seemed inevitable to me. I couldn’t see any other way of this board taking any notice.
Hello Kevin Muscat my old Rainjurz EBT friend it’s good to talk to you again.
Just seen clips of Kevin Muscat trying to injure other players in games but as he came off the pitch he blessed himself! Will this go against his appointment? After being sent off obviously!
Theyre not too happy with Muscat’s team’s defending in the game thats on at the moment
Celtic collective statement showing balance between targeting the PLC Board in monetary terms whilst protecting the 90 minutes on the pitch by supporting the team
The many charitable events that are ongoing within various sections that make up the Celtic collective including supporting the Celtic foundation will continue thereby supporting the ethos and spirit of Brother Walfrid
An out of touch board who seem to think in these austerity consumer crises times that customer discretionary expenditure is unlimited, not a penny more has my support, no more overpriced unhealthy food and beverages, no more overpriced club merchandise most of it cheap tat, will it move the PLC ? Unlikely, but it will hurt the balance sheet
Less money not to spend.
BACK TO BASICS – GLASS HALF FULL on 17TH OCTOBER 2025 10:55 AM
Totally agree Celtic winning in any given season is the only criteria you can only beat the opposition in front of you
Since Rangers disappeared down the plughole in that infamous 9 minute meeting 2012 and their team was pronounced “deid” all I have ever heard from them was your titles and trophies since 2012 are all tainted, they even argue Celtics European Cup win was devalued as they believe we never met any team of consequence before the final, Celtic fans devaluing is a strange tack to tack.
Trying to make comparisons on seasons past is laughable nonsense, harmless fun for those who indulge or have way to much time in their hands
In terms of European ambitions the Champions League is now financially out of our reach
This summer EPL clubs spent a record £3.19Bn on transfers Liverpool broke the EPL transfer fees paid twice, Florian Wirtz and Alexander Isak, how do Celtic not matter who is on the PLC board compete with that extraordinary financial power
Liverpool quick news should be full of expectation of sweeping the board including the C/L trophy with that level of spend there are no excuses
CHAIRBHOY on 16TH OCTOBER 2025 7:42 PM
NO need for apologies, keep on posting what you believe to be true
Recently started posting sadly it didn’t take long to be subjected to labelling and personal abuse, no apology
As Aussie football writer Vince Rugari is writing about Musky to Ibrox, it must be close to a done deal.
FWIW, I think Kevin Vincent Muscat has served a good apprenticeship in AU and Asia – mimicking Ange’s experiential path somewhat – tho he failed badly in Belgium with Sint Truden.
He has formed winning teams without spending megabucks and will be able to rummel them up and likely eradicate their easy touch-ness as a baseline improvement. Would be braw if he failed as bad as the Broomloan Buddhist tho… ;)
Hopefully, we’ll have ironed out our own jitters by then and got a few aces in the pack back. The supporters circus is unlikely to improve morale and mibby even spook some of our players. BR needs to ensure his squad ignores the sideshow of disgruntlement.
Interesting developments ahead this season.
https://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/brendan-vetoes-6m-bid-report/
Either the author of this piece has a poor command of English or they’re telling lies.
How does saying you’ve not heard about a transfer in any way come close to vetoing the deal ?
Not lazy journalism ? Really ?