I loved the Newco statement from yesterday evening, it betrayed the reality that they’ve lost their nerve in the face of panic among fans and a complete lack of knowledge of what to do about History overtaking them.
They cited that the SPFL had a conference call on the subject of the Court of Session Oldco EBT ruling, but quickly got onto the subject that “our Club’s (sic.) history, including its many successes, is beyond debate”.
Those of us who supported another team during the EBT decade know well that history is beyond debate. We paid money to see those competitions and there will be no denying what happened.
At a stroke Newco took a debate, which was hitherto the exclusive domain of fan comment and the occasional journalist repeating the words of well-paid Newco and Ladbrokes SPFL PR team, that there was “no appetite” for title stripping, and made it a subject football people could legitimately be drawn on. In short, they made Rangers historical successes THE debate.
I’ve spoken to Celtic on various potential public statement matters over the years. They don’t always get it right, but they know when to shut their mouth and win support for their objectives, at the cost of taking flak for not making grandstanding public comments.
Tommo Blog.
While many paid to inform us were repeating paid PR as news, Channel 4’s Alex Thomson had no qualms calling-out the cheats in his blog yesterday: Rangers cheated at football: the fraudulent silverware must go. And that was just the blog title.
Oh Mr Black! The Rangers v HMRC First Tier Tribunal was held in private, with witness names given anonymity in the written report. Mr Black, the name of a key figure at Rangers, who signed and sold up to 400 footballers, and, I guess, took a senior role from late 1988 until 6 May 2011, provided damning evidence against the former football club at the Tribunal.
Thomson writes:
“Why did this powerful but busy character introduce a scheme of wholesale – and now proven to be unlawful – avoidance of NI and income tax?
Why – so the club could gain advantage on the pitch, of course: sporting advantage. By attracting and keeping players they otherwise could not afford. How do we know?
Because the powerful but talkative “Mr Black” was good enough to spill the beans to the Tax Tribunal: “Mr Black did not consider the Trust as a means of tax avoidance, but rather as a means of retaining and rewarding loyal employees. So far as Rangers was concerned it enabled the Club to attract players who would not otherwise have been obtainable.”
Sporting advantage.”
““Mr Black” didn’t see it as a tax wheeze at all, he said, but a football wheeze. Sadly for him if you’re now found to have been cheating the taxman you’re also cheating football – so now his unfortunate admission is a smoking gun
There is more: “As for Mr Black, he denied that the scheme was for tax avoidance in cross-examination, though he went on to describe the scheme as ‘a method of us acquiring, especially football wise, better players in a more cost effective manner than we would be able to do so’; that the club had been ‘very ambitious at that time’; and ‘it was seen as a correct and proper way for us to proceed’; that Rangers ‘have been very successful, because we’ve been able to attract players of a certain standard that, perhaps, we may not have been able to otherwise’.”
One more time: “especially football wise better players in a more cost effective manner”. Sporting. Advantage.”
“It is time Campbell Ogilvie explained his conduct – the man who played a part in the tax avoidance and personally benefited before going on to be SFA President.
It is time Sir David Murray – the conductor of this disastrous orchestration, by overseeing EBTs at Rangers – is similarly held to account for what he did and now, why Rangers did it for advantage on the field: cheating.
Above all, it is time the SPFL members came out from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee, Aberdeen and beyond to denounce cheating as cheating and take action as fans from Kelso to Thurso are begging them to do.
All the titles and silverware from all the years Rangers cheated at football, as they cheated at tax, must be null and void and wiped from the record.
Let nobody try and tell me it isn’t the same club – I have always said it is and now Rangers have to take the consequence of that reality right on the chin.
Turnbull Hutton RIP – how your godforsaken Scottish game needs you now.”
‘Mr Black’ really has dropped Sir David Murray in it. I hope he stays away from Charlotte Square. This situation reminds me of that scene from Blazing Saddles, where the sheriff turns his gun on himself. Alerts in advance for the use of racial pejoratives, appropriate for the environment, in this clip:
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Roger Mitchell is clearly not well in the head although he did provide us with an excellent example of ‘whataboutery’. He thinks the whole EBT / Side Letter / Cheating / Liquidation / New Club Old Club saga is all just about one thing – bragging rights!
Worryingly, he says if he was still in charge of the league he would be looking for fast exit strategy and is convinced that those in power at the SPLFL will be doing exactly that.
Micktoon, Welcome
Does the meedja not realise fans could well walk away in their droves if this is not sorted out. If it is simply swept under the carpet I like BRHT am finished with this corrupt game, H H Hebcelt
SMSM Quick News tonight.
Thanks for the updates.
mike in toronto on 10th November 2015 2:57 pm
“By adopting Schrodinger’s principle …. since, at the moment, most of us dont know whether the Club is doing something (the cat is alive) or nothing (the cat is dead)…. we are like the observers of the cat in the box…we are in a state of quantum indeterminancy … the club is both doing nothing and doing something… neither side is wrong….”
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AHA…………..
The flaw in your argument…………..
Only one side of the argument claims to know the outcome.
The side which constantly,unremittingly claims that….
“Celtic are doing nothing about this.”
I don`t know,so say nothing.
The other side claims to know when it provides no evidence that it does.
O.K.
Q.E.D.
They must be worried putting this much effort in to covering up the truth. We pay a fee to the BBC for that level of bias.
Bhoys dont despair dont let the huns worry you with there rewrite of football history.In the wings waiting is The tax man and he will have his pound of flesh. When that happens not if, we will learn even more than we know now names will be named dates will be given a jail sentence will await anyone who lies to them .The football authorities will be powerless and will be called to give answers and they will tell what they know the whole thieves and rogues gallery will be exposed .Meanwhile we should keep it in the open by discussing it by writing to our M.P.s to Celtic to the football authorities and let them know we are watching and want judgement Scottish football sits on the precipice. H.H.
MICKTOON
Are you Big Mike under alias?
Ps. I can be deadly when it comes to the podiums you’ll need to be on your game.
Incredibly the BBC sports guy on Breakfast this morning had a laugh at Russian TV talking about school dinners instead of the widespread cheating of their athletes! Meanwhile his BBC Scotland colleagues are trying desperately to excuse or pretend that the systematic and illegal tax cheating on a grand scale didn’t happen, you really couldn’t make it up! Well in Scotland you could. Time to ask the BBC bosses are they happy for their publicly funded organisation’s employees to brush off tax cheating.
Hebcelt
Hopefully Celtic will walk to some other league, anywhere in ,,, if the cheating triumphs.
I’d gladly follow the Celtic if we elected to do so.
Watched Fc United last night, they have battled to within 2 levels of the Football League….
Incredible to think like that, but it’s preferable to playing in the farce that they have made of the sport.
I don’t think I could continue paying to be cheated.
So the only person who did not have an EBT on helicopter Sunday was the pilot……..or did he?
Just in car RC discussing football packs n chips, pies n curries…
Cutting edge on the big issues…
Hiding the truth
Kikinthenakas
Micktoon
Greetings loooooooooooong time lurker.
I must ask :- Do you enter freely, and of your own free will ? If you can answer yes and are not a hunteloper then pick your own clique.
HH to you and welcome.
Roger Mitchell?
A ‘Celtic fan’??
Give me the ole Singin’ Detective any day.
Cannot believe the actually argued that Oldco are now ahead 2-1 on EBT verdicts.
I was on the times comments page there, a right we ding dong has been going on.
As usual the Huns lower the tone, no need to go into it.
Some good posts from hunskelpers, I tried to post but for some reason it didn’t work, not even a sweary word in it. Boooo :((
Ole Philbhoy’s house must be like livin’ in Argos.
COWIEBHOY on 9TH NOVEMBER 2015 10:42 PM
Doc – I’m being flippant, which you know :-)
But
I do want the tax mhan to pursue them all for taxes due
I pay my way, for our schools, hospitals, even the polis and army. :-) I think all others should as well, particularly they blues boys who are proud of such
Hail Hail
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I know you were being flippant, I was just flippantly flipping your flippancy:-)
Has anyone been lurking on the sweary sites ? If so update us with what the roasters are up to !
“obstructive, unhelpful and evasive.”
” A Glib and shameless liar”
Both of these phrases have been used by judges to describe different Rangers Chairman.
I wonder if they are interchangeable epithets?
Oh the dignity.
Roger Mitchell is the Harry Potter stunt double,who negotiated the worst TV deal we ever had,and we haven’t recovered from it,incompetent and put his depth.
Last time I saw such a concerted effort to say there was no case for sanctions was when the Bunnet announced he was taking on Farry.
The distress signals have been fired & all brethren summoned to the aid of the distressed ship Sevco.
The SFA might founder on registration rock as well!
Methinks they doth protest too much.
Roger Mitchell ?
Could have sworn he was a Hearts fan.
Micktoon…
Are you my nephew from Fife?
I know he lurks, if not are you a currant :)
HEBCELT on 10TH NOVEMBER 2015 7:38 PM
Does the meedja not realise fans could well walk away in their droves if this is not sorted out. If it is simply swept under the carpet I like BRHT am finished with this corrupt game, H H Hebcelt
They either don’t care as long as the mighty sevco are winning leagues or they think that fans are desperate to see their teams play them.
Anyone aware of a concerted, organised campaign to ensure some semblance of justice?
The lack of focus and leadership in this has me concerned.
Roger Mitchell……Just like his ole brother Guy……..Singin’ the blues.
You know it’s alright having a wee laugh at these clowns, but as TeT pointed out earlier they are getting their warped analysis and opinion out there.
Apathy will save the huns….it’ll no be long till agent-Ronny empties the stadium:)
…..laters…..
Rodger Hannah on ssb tonight ..
“there is no appetite from spfl and sfa to revisit the LNS findings”
I think we will see some sort of flimsy get out over the next few days … hands tied type shit
At least the goat now knows why he’s called ‘Roger’
Roger Mitchell, who was CEO of the omnishambles that governed the first two EBT years, thinks we should all just move on. There’s a friggin’ surprise.
Hello again all you young rebels.
Ive heard of Roger Daltry
Ive heard of Roger Moore.
Ive even heard of Roger the dodger.
But who the feck is Roger Mitchell
MICKTOON
Are you a nuclear button presser
Gearoid
Tremendous effort.
H.H Mick
I know Paul has said in the past that there are good Celtic men working at the bbc, well, I can only assume they are making tea or licking stamps, cos there is absolutely no sign of them in the news or sports departments. Pretty much every sports report has a pro sevco, anti Celtic bias. It’s definitely institutional.
The Last few days has been nothing short of outrageous, like the referees strike, or when they were trying to convince us that failure to allow a new club into direct entry into the top league would result in Armageddon.
The national bbc sports department are having serious debate about corruption in the athletic wold, serious investigative sports journalism.
Here we have Wilson and anyone who toes the party line. Sporting integrity is optional and systematic cheating is absolutely fine in their world.
As Johnny Rotten once famously said “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated”
And we’re paying for the privilege.
In the words of another old punk. “Smash it up!”
Accept the consequences of cheating
http://danieloconnel18.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/rangers-must-accept-consequences-of.html
https://johnjamessite.wordpress.com/2015/11/10/the-fatally-flawed-lns-report/
Title stripping.
Suppose it happens.
How does that change the current and future of Celtic and Scottish football?
Lets change the future,not attempt to change the past.
The Scottish media are feeding you THEIR agenda because that`s what they want you to focus on.
And you`re buying into it.
What matters is that the future should have a filleted Rangers or,my preference, no Rangers at all.
Southside…like Paul, I can also vouch for the presence of good Celtic people at the beeb’s news and sports departments. Unfortunately they are well outnumbered and are afraid to rock the boat. The last uppity guy was the Arab and Celtic sympathiser Jim Spence…and he was thrown overboard.