I’m not about to give you a character reference for Aleksandar Tonev, he may be prone to racist outburst, for all I know. Society, and therefore football, still has a racism problem, just read how coolly Luis Suarez played addressing an opponent as “negro”. The game has to react firmly when presented with racist banners, which regularly appear in Eastern Europe.
On the balance of probabilities, would a born-and-bred Scottish international be judged to have made a racist remark during a game against an opponent he doesn’t share a common tongue with?
If Kenny Miller was similarly accused and claimed to be misquoted, how would you feel? Scottish footballers just don’t have a history of this kind of remark; I’d be inclined to believe Miller. So, I expect, would Scottish football.
Tonev comes from one of those Eastern European countries. Scottish football acknowledged it had no evidence to act on but found him guilty.
Based in just as little evidence, could you please decide if Scottish football is guilty of racist generalisation in its handling of this matter? I know you don’t have enough evidence to come to a proper decision, but that’s the point.
Maybe if Aleks was at Ibrox on Tuesday making flute band gestures to TV cameras at halftime, the like of which Scottish Government minster Roseanna Cunningham once insisted was unacceptable and illegal, we’d all realise he didn’t mean any harm. Or was it just the Sign of the Cross, Ms Cunningham?
But Tonev’s not “one of us”, so who cares?
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AFC through coaching etc. the consensus from folk I know within Pittodrie is thatLogan is a very straight forward person.
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And as far as I can see Tonev is the same, where are we going here?
SoT
I am reading Hilary Clinton’s “Hard Choices”.
She disney miss many and hit the wall!
philbhoy
14:26 on 31 October, 2014
SoT
I am reading Hilary Clinton’s “Hard Choices”.
She disney miss many and hit the wall!
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Thing is where her choices harder than Monica’s?
No evidence no case end of IMHO
If there is evidece produce it
Getting angrier the more I think about it.
Evidence :((
Till tomorrow all
td67
She disney mention that in the book.
Well. no so far anyway!
Natknow
I expected a not proven but that would still have left stink.
My point is unfortunate though it is for Tonev (especially if innocent) Celtic don’t needthe hassle…so returning the player strikes news the best move for Celtic
philbhoy
14:30 on 31 October, 2014
td67
She disney mention that in the book.
Well. no so far anyway!
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To be honest I doubt if she will, pointless I suppose.
hebcelt
I have been to Nairobi. I was part of a charity group building a school called St Andrews in the Ngong Hills.
I stayed in a University Campus in the Karen district.
Accomodation was at NEGST.
http://www.aiu.ac.ke/index.php/academics/schools/negst.html
I went to mass at the church there on a Sunday and for my ashes as I was staying over February. The priest at that time was trained at the Scots college and I handed in a rake of Celtic tops. This was pre Wanyama so I managed to spot a few before I left. I reckon I had around 60 jerseys.
http://www.thecatholicdirectory.com/directory.cfm?fuseaction=display_site_info&siteid=112386
Lots of things to see and do and the Girrafe centre was superb.
http://giraffecenter.org/
We managed to get a few days off and headed down to Amboseli National Park and went on some game drives. Really tremendous to wake up and see Kilimajaro and a rake of animals each morning.
http://www.oltukailodge.com/
It’s a cracking place Kenya. Never felt in any danger.
A drive up the the hills near the rift valley is worth a look too. Breathtaking.
In Kenya, the valley is deepest to the north of Nairobi. As the lakes in the Eastern Rift have no outlet to the sea and tend to be shallow, they have a high mineral content as the evaporation of water leaves the salts behind. For example, Lake Magadi has high concentrations of soda (sodium carbonate) and Lake Elmenteita, Lake Bogoria, and Lake Nakuru are all strongly alkaline, while the freshwater springs supplying Lake Naivasha are essential to support its current biological variety.
Hope your daughter enjoys the experience.
By far the best thing about Africa is the people. They are superb people and that trip was one of the greatest experiences of my life.
LB
Cultsbhoy,
It’s fine and well retuning him. He’s hardly set the Heather on fire but what if some ict guy accuses guidetti this weekend?
Hebcelt
creetown and district csc are good starting point.
gave you the gut to contact via email, he isn’t long back from Kenya,
Livibhoy
I bet you seen one or two black c#@#s when you were there?
Obviously I mean cooks. How else would he get cooked grub!!?
Geordie Munro
Better players get away with more…sadly
I have used the words “get your hands off me ye black c@@@” many a time but it was mostly to peelers and screws.
Why diz sumdy from Celtic(with balls / cajones etc…) not come out and say, that…”our player says he didny do it – your(AFC’s) player says he did – so- prove it! Till then…our legal team will be dealing with this.”???
Cults Bhoy
“Is it more likely Tonev given his cultural background outlined by Paul made a racist remark than Shay Logan fabricated an accusation against an opponent?”
Neither.
There is absolutely no statistical evidence to support either of the three contentions at play here, 0ne of which you ignored. Those 3 contentions are:-
Bulgarian players are likely to be prone to racist comments
UK born players from ethnic minorities are unlikely to make false accusations of racism
Logan can be 100% sure of what was said if there is no corroboration
The evidence of both parties can be heard and you might have a gut sensation that Logan is trustworthy and honest in delivering his whilst Tonev is shifty and evasive in delivering his. You could still not deduce that one was right and one was wrong. You can only deduce that one was convinced by what he heard and the other was unconvincing but that could be due to English not being his first language, being nervous as he was the accused in this case, or even just nerves at having his career threatened by an unjust accusation.
It is a good thing that complaints of racism are taken seriously.
It is never a good thing for a possibly innocent man to be found guilty in order to impress other as to how seriously the issue is taken.
Geordie Munro
I saw a member of the Masai sacrifice a goat when the school opened and then we ate the remainder for a week.
The cooks at the school were wonderful.
It was a great experience all in.
LB
The SFA have been a kangaroo court for as long as I can remember, so to put a young man’s livelyhood at risk on a he said, he said, as far as I’m concerned is not on, it’s a bad precedent to set and bang out of order, how they can come to that decision without no evidence at all beggars believe, the public need to know, clarify what went on and how they got there, this is no longer a secret society as it was back in the day, let us all know and then we can all move on.
Cultsbhoy,
Too true..
Suarez woulda been binned yonks ago if he wasn’t so good.
Livi Bhoy
Was that the Masai Masons?
King Kojo from a time in the past said bad words about Bobo – I believe – and has been bull-whipped up and down CQN ever since.
I called Bobo a big useless black bassa after he was sent off in Seville – does that make me a member of the KKK / an ignoramus – ned etc…?
kevjungle
I’m afraid it probably does.
CultsBhoy
14:30 on 31 October, 2014
Natknow
I expected a not proven but that would still have left stink.
My point is unfortunate though it is for Tonev (especially if innocent) Celtic don’t needthe hassle…so returning the player strikes news the best move for Celtic
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John Collins attended the hearing with Tonev and Celtic are supporting the appeal. I think the point is bigger than just the player himself. It wouldn’t disappoint me to see him return to AV – but not for the same reason as yourself.
Cultbhoy
your probably descendended from witches or popes ;-)
HH
setting free the bears for Res. 12 & Oscar Knox
I have no idea but the blade he had made me not ask him!
LB
Don’t think there is an easy way to go with this
The nature of the accusation doesn’t lend itself to cast-iron proof. If you only convicted when 100% proven then it would be pretty easy to get away with it.
Lb,
Eye opening would be an understatement I’ll bet.
Probably make Sighthill look like…..Sighthill ;)
Kevkungle
yes
you need to ask ?
really ?
Or is the attention deficit needing a scratch ?
HH
Kev j
Middle wan (thumbsup)
Amazed JC charismatic speil didn’t work at the hearing……(no wonder Tonev lost)
KevJungle – MURDO MacLEOD’s Title Winning Boots 4-2 LEGEND
14:42 on 31 October, 2014
King Kojo from a time in the past said bad words about Bobo – I believe – and has been bull-whipped up and down CQN ever since.
I called Bobo a big useless black bassa after he was sent off in Seville – does that make me a member of the KKK / an ignoramus – ned etc…?
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Yes. Not only that, it makes you a racist one.
Doctor Whatfor
14:44 on 31 October, 2014
kevjungle
I’m afraid it probably does.
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Aye well, at least I’ll no need to worry about getting my tights ripped, eh?
KevJungle….
Outed!
Geordie Munro
Honestly never felt in any danger.
I did head off with a small group to buy materials. We rolled up with our guide to what can only be described as a wild west style shop which sold all your DIY needs. I had about £200 on me. The whole village started to appear as I approached the store on foot from our vehicle. I went in and bought brushes about 20 litres of paint and various other utensils for digging the grounds and a few other things. I had a few quid left over and crossed the road and bought a beer for me and my guide and big bags of sweets and handed them out to everyone who wanted one.
Just sitting enjoying a cool Tuskers whilst watching the world go by was a nice chilling experience. All the kids helped us to the vehicle with all the purchases and then I had a scramble.
Not sure if any of it was PC in their customs but sometimes you do what you feel is right.
I have never seen happier people and 99% of them have nothing. A sobering experience.
LB
I love it when TBBs spelling checker triumphs over him. Don’ t ask me why ? It just does.
HH
NatKnow
14:49 on 31 October, 2014
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Well, it wouldn’t be like you to dawn the black gown and funny wig, eh?
Sigh!!
Philbhoy
14:51 on 31 October, 2014
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Aye, you just make sure yer halo remains unstained.