I’m not about to give you a character reference for Aleksandar Tonev, he may be prone to racist outburst, for all I know. Society, and therefore football, still has a racism problem, just read how coolly Luis Suarez played addressing an opponent as “negro”. The game has to react firmly when presented with racist banners, which regularly appear in Eastern Europe.
On the balance of probabilities, would a born-and-bred Scottish international be judged to have made a racist remark during a game against an opponent he doesn’t share a common tongue with?
If Kenny Miller was similarly accused and claimed to be misquoted, how would you feel? Scottish footballers just don’t have a history of this kind of remark; I’d be inclined to believe Miller. So, I expect, would Scottish football.
Tonev comes from one of those Eastern European countries. Scottish football acknowledged it had no evidence to act on but found him guilty.
Based in just as little evidence, could you please decide if Scottish football is guilty of racist generalisation in its handling of this matter? I know you don’t have enough evidence to come to a proper decision, but that’s the point.
Maybe if Aleks was at Ibrox on Tuesday making flute band gestures to TV cameras at halftime, the like of which Scottish Government minster Roseanna Cunningham once insisted was unacceptable and illegal, we’d all realise he didn’t mean any harm. Or was it just the Sign of the Cross, Ms Cunningham?
But Tonev’s not “one of us”, so who cares?
The auction for two debenture hospitality seats, which started our bid to build a fourth school kitchen in Malawi for Mary’s Meals ended a few minutes ago. Thanks to everyone who bid, the winner paid £295, a fantastic gesture. Thanks also to Celtic sponsor, Magners, for pulling things together for us and making it happen.
We have a couple of slightly less-illustrious premium seats for tomorrow in the Jock Stein stand from Magners, which you can win by answering the following question:
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This competition is only open for an hour, closes at 2:0, so those who enter have an excellent chance. Keep an eye on your inbox this afteroon. If you’d like to donate £1 to the kitchen fund in tandem with your entry, you can do so here.
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timaloy
The easy way to go with this is to reach a verdict of “grounds not established” or “not proven”.
Neither of these verdicts implies that
Logan was lying
Tonev did not do it, or
Racism is not taken seriously.
I would hate to place my fate and estimations of my character in the hands of people who judge you on impressions and gut instinct.
Geordie Munro
14:48 on 31 October, 2014
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Is that – clique symbolism?
KevJungle – MURDO MacLEOD’s Title Winning Boots 4-2 LEGEND
14:52 on 31 October, 2014
NatKnow
14:49 on 31 October, 2014
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Well, it wouldn’t be like you to dawn the black gown and funny wig, eh?
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It’s Halloween – what do you expect?
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma
09:45 on
31 October, 2014
INTRODUCING YOMPA & THE MOULDY OLD DOUGH
Good Morning.
Let me tell you a story as Max Bygraves used to say.
The earth measures approximately 25,000 miles in circumference. Did you know that?
That is a long way round.
A few years ago we had never heard of Neuroblastoma, or at least I hadn’t, and then along came the request to try and raise some funds for a wee girl called Vanessa Riddle who was dying from the disease and who needed to find the outrageous sum of £500,000 for treatment that might — just might– save her life.
Amazingly Vanessa raised that money.
Even more amazingly, despite having only a 14% chance of survival even if she received the treatment — VANESSA LIVED.
Since then, we have heard of campaigns for many children including Niamh Curry and our own wee hero Oscar Knox, both of whom sadly did not make it.
Others like Vanessa and Mackenzie Furness made it through.
However, in the course of campaigning for those kids, many really strong friendships were made and the awareness of this terrible disease, the ability to treat it, and the ridiculous cost of treating it was heightened.
However, perhaps the greatest of legacies or consequences of these campaigns has been the emergence of some truly fantastic people — amazing people who I for one hold in complete and utter awe.
So let me tell you about Yompa!
Of course Yompa is not his real name – he is really called Steve Taylor and he lives in Stewarton. Steve is 61 – almost 62 — and he has always done some pretty mad things like walking the odd mile or maybe 160 miles to raise money for charity.
Steve, for his sins, is a fan on Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC – no one is perfect right enough.
However, Steve also has a soft spot for the fans of Celtic Football Club and perhaps for the football club itself, what it stands for and what it does.
As a result of the Vanessa Riddle campaign then the Oscar campaign, Steve decided to take on a challenge for the NCCA fundraising team and decided that over a four year period he would cycle the equivalent of the circumference of the globe — yes just the 25,000 miles!
All for charity, in all weathers, in all terrains — in his early 60′s.
Why would you do such a thing?
Because your mad? Certainly?
Because you are a good guy? Certainly
But most importantly — BECAUSE VANESSA LIVED!
If you look at the Neuroblastoma fund raising pages there are many campaigns where you will see pictures of children , like Oscar and Niamh who didn’t make it.
Then there are pictures of tots in cots, kids in cribs who are all fighting this disease now.
Their parents, like Stephen and Leona Knox, like Chris and Connie Riddle will go to bed each night worried, fearful, anxious, tired and at times very very down.
However, I would hope that the last thing that enters their head each night is that VANESSA LIVED!
Vanessa Riddle is a remarkable young woman now. Strong. Brave. Knowledgeable.
She knows that she has been in a battle and that somehow, by some miracle, her genes and her chemical make up was such that with the treatment she survived.
It is important to remember that VANESSA LIVED not just for Vanessa and her parents but for all the other kids and parents who have faced, are facing and who will face Neuroblastoma in the face.
We on CQN played a part in the Vanessa story.
Now Steve Taylor — a mad sexagenarian who goes by the nickname Yompa — is cycling the equivalent of going round the globe for all the Vanessa’s , Oscar’s, Niamh’s, Mackenzie’s and others — because VANESSA LIVED.
Vanessa herself had spent a couple of years in Yorkhill Sick Children’s Hospital and just happened to be there where a group of Celtic players came round one day and was still there when they appeared a year later.
It was those PLAYERS who decided to make a fuss of Vanessa and made her a Celtic fan.
Think about that — THE PLAYERS.
Not you, not me — THE PLAYERS IN THE GREEN AND WHITE STRIPS AND TRACKSUITS.
Most of them were or are Millionaires but still they decided to take the time to fuss over this wee girl facing the most uphill of struggles.
And VANESSA LIVED.
The Vanessa campaign absolutely inspired others up and down the country. If Vanessa could do it so could others.
I remember the flurry of activity from many on here who came from Ayrshire just like Vanessa but the one that comes to mind instantly is Angel Gabriel organising bucket collections in football pubs and just handing in the money — buckets of it.
There were many stories like that and the CQN donations on the just giving pages were huge.
Don’t get me wrong, there were many from other Celtic boards like The Huddleboard, Kerrydale Street, Mailey’s Boys, E-tims, and oh so many more.
Supermarket collections, primary schools, churches, offices, factories all started to root for Vanessa.
It is that movement and that feeling of togetherness that unites us as human beings. Forget our differences and concentrate on what we have in common, what we feel in common, and most importantly what we can do when acting as one.
Crazy Steve is not alone in his quest for raising funds for the NCCA.
Our own Mouldy67 is one of the “Cycling Santa’s” who will cover the journey from London to Belfast as Santa Clause this Christmas in aid of the NCCA.
Mouldy — Paul Muldoon — proudly boasts on twitter that he is a Celtic fan and rides under the banner TEAMOSCARFOREVER.
He too believes in raising the money against this horrible but beatable disease.
The involvement of Celtic fans in these campaigns has led the Celtic Charity Foundation to become actively involved in helping the NCCA to raise funds and the charity is one which is supported by the club.
THIS IS BEING RECOGNISED ON SATURDAY WHEN AT HALF TIME TONY HAMILTON WILL WELCOME STEVE TAYLOR FROM THE RANKS OF THE INVERNESS FANS IN THE VISITORS SECTION AND MAKE A PRESENTATION TO HIM.
Steve Taylor — otherwise known a s Yompa — The Inverness Caley fan inspired by Celtic fans receiving acclaim at Celtic Park — who would have thought it?
And standing beside Tony Hamilton for that we ceremony will be…. VANESSA RIDDLE!
Because you see VANESSA LIVED
And there are families up and down the country who cling to that thought every night.
To support Yompa’s world bike ride
Text THEA77 with any number of pounds to 70070 or go to his just giving page here https://www.justgiving.com/SteveTaylor-60/
To read Yompa’s blog on why he does what he does see here:
http://lifecycleforneuroblastoma.com/kick-off/
Have a read as it is truly inspirational and if you can give something then please do.
But most of all, if you are at the game tomorrow then at half time please get on your feet and give this guy just the biggest round of applause as he deserves it.
As for Celtic — well done in acknowledging Steve and Vanessa and don’t forget our own Mouldy 67 and others like Iain McGovern who do loads for charity and never make a fuss about it.
To see the cycling Santas just giving page click here – you will see some familiar names.
http://www.justgiving.com/teams/CyclingSantas2014
We are Celtic fans and sometimes our team win football matches.
But we are much much more than just that.
What have you done today to make us feel proud?
Doctor Whatfor
14:52 on 31 October, 2014
Sigh!!
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Yup…
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo
14:47 on 31 October, 2014
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Attention deficit?
I take you post with a
P.S. just scroll on past please?
KevJungle….
Peace be with you, my son!
Livibhoy
Great posts buddy.
A very pleasant break in the middle of a not very pleasant blog!
Keep them coming!
Natknow –
My comment was in response to Tom Molach after he said nobody knows who else apart from the two players was at yhd hearing.
I wax letting him know that the Aberdeen captain and manager were there, that is all.
I made no judgment..
@setting free the bears
How do you think Kick it out and others would react if it was not proven.
You may think that verdict doesn’t imply that racism isn’t taken seriously but others will disagree. It will cause a right s*** storm.
Not saying that’s my personal opinion
The down side – Tonev is useless and won’t be missed
The upside – a chance to boot the SFA in the haw maws
Will Celtic’s chocolate fireguard PLC go for it?
Tom 13:22
I don’t think anyone on this forum can say Tonev is a racist or he is not. I understand the majority has a problem with the nature of the whole issue.
I would compare it to the question on this public forum – Is this true that you Z. beat you wife regularly? Somebody told me that.
If you still don’t understand, try to imagine poster X directing similar question few times to you. What you do?
It’s only few days since Fojut was accused of beating Lukasz. I remember the poster who many times talked about Polish guy involved in that. What happened after? Anybody said sorry?
Again re Tonev. Guilty or not, he will be racist, or the one who was accused of being the racist. I stand up for his right to be given trust.
KevJ
Dearie me sir.
Livibhoy
Really interesting posts mate, what a good man you are.
Tom
I don’t like the sound of that “wax letting”.
Ouch.
I stood in the Jungle when, monkey noises were aimed at
Viv Anderson and Mark Walters.
Does that make the Jungle racists?
If so?
I’m in.
Philbhoy
Tonev has been discussed at length.
I am trying to discuss something else.
LB
Hamiltontim
15:02 on 31 October, 2014
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Awe naw – no anither saint?
Oh, ah forgot Laurie Cinningham as well.
Cunningham
Livibhoy
Most enjoyable too!
As I said earlier, keep them coming!
KevJungle – you’re a trumpet.
Dharma Bam \o/ stands up for Neil Lennon
15:07 on 31 October, 2014
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Ah, you sound like a man of experience.
Philbhoy –
Sorry. Was posting from my phone while a passenger in a car.
Zbyszek
15:01 on 31 October, 2014
Tom 13:22
I don’t think anyone on this forum can say Tonev is a racist or he is not. I understand the majority has a problem with the nature of the whole issue.
I would compare it to the question on this public forum – Is this true that you Z. beat you wife regularly? Somebody told me that.
If you still don’t understand, try to imagine poster X directing similar question few times to you. What you do?
It’s only few days since Fojut was accused of beating Lukasz. I remember the poster who many times talked about Polish guy involved in that. What happened after? Anybody said sorry?
Again re Tonev. Guilty or not, he will be racist, or the one who was accused of being the racist. I stand up for his right to be given trust.
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Good point. People are very quick to make accusations and judgements without being in full posession of the facts of a matter. An apology would be appropriate.
Kevjungle R.I.P
HH
KevJungle……
Yer Murdo Mcleod moniker disney fool me!
He’s a soup taker of the first order.
BRTH
Brilliant J, that really brought a lump to my throat.
KevJ
You’ve posted on a Celtic blog that you called a Celtic player a ‘black &@£&’.
What do you expect.
I know guys who made monkey noises against Walters that day.
They’ve moved on and regret their actions.
Maybe you should too.
Tom
No problem!
Some of the best posts ever on this site are because of mistypes!
The blog needs a wee lift today!
Yes KevJungle
Too much experience of you.
King Kojo and The Singing Detective
yer flags fly high and proud on the ole
Jungle roof – Hail Hail
CQN – Tightrippers who allow a PLC-‘bored’
to take yer money then piss all over yeez
GIRFUY.
Bye.
Lassana Diarra anyone?
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/10/31/celtic-rapidly-closing-in-on-former-arsenal-midfielder-lassana-diarra/168934/
A scenario completely made up by me.
Tonev: “Get your hands off my back, c***”
Logan: “Get your hands off me, black c***”
I can’t find a single clip of Aleksandar Tonev being interviewed, or even speaking a word of English. Although I’m sure he knows a bit.
bye
KevJungle – MURDO MacLEOD’s Title Winning Boots 4-2 LEGEND
15:03 on
31 October, 2014
It doesn’t make the Jungle racists. Just those in the Jungle that were making monkey chants.
timaloy
How would Kick it out react?
Neither of us knows for sure.
My best guess is that they will be glad that the hearing took place and that the accusation was not buried or disbelieved.
They would probably use the verdict to re-inforce the importance of dealing seriously with racist accusations but the one thing they would not do, in these circumstances, IMO, is to say Logan was telling the truth and Tonev was a liar and the SFA did not take it seriously.
There is already a s***storm for Tonev. Most of the domestic media coverage has been very careful to just pronounce the verdict. Knowing that it has gone to appeal, no-one in the media, or from Kick it Out, has chosen to welly into Tonev or to demand tougher sanctions. These people (not the media) are more responsible and less reactive than you give them credit for.
som mes que in club
Diarra you say. Well if he comes he’d better be good. The pun merchants will have a field day if he ain’t.
Rafaelscheidtcsc
Paul67 et al
There are more than a few similarities between this case and the John Terry/Anton Ferdinand one, not least with reference to the language (that he used) as commented upon here. There is of course one major difference, John Terry faced a court hearing, a hearing which cleared him .of racial aggravation/racism. Terry did not deny using the words he was accused of, merely to claim that he used them in the form of a question to Ferdinand. After the not guilty he was then charged by the FA and found guilty by an Independent Commission set up by the FA, and chaired I think by a QC. Terry’s defence described as being “improbable, implausible and contrived”. Two different jurisdictions, two different verdicts on virtually identical charges. Tonev faced only one jurisdiction under the SFA, denied used language used, is not believed by the SFA, but is believed by Celtic. Anyone got any idea of the basis of any appeal?
Kev – watch yourself cross the road an that…