I’m reliably informed Legia will not ‘park the bus’ on Wednesday. Instead, with a three goal lead, they have enough legroom to play their normal game, attempt to compete in the middle of the park, and expose holes at the back, as they did last week. What’s more, they’re unsure they would be able to park the bus successfully for an extended period.
Set aside the debacle what was our defensive performance for a moment. The period of last week’s match Ronny Deila should initially concern himself with is the opening 25 minutes, when Celtic largely bossed the game. We then have to consider the 40 minutes we looked comfortable with 10 men; not an insignificant achievement away from home in Europe.
In short, Legia are a team which for large periods of the game we looked to have the measure of, despite the anomalies of playing a debutant, an inexperienced youth and with a left back who was left out. We should do far better at Murrayfield.
Legia believe they are going through. They unquestionably have the upper hand but the Celtic collapse in the final minutes, when we appeared to be too busy picking fights than sticking to plan, distorted the perceived difference between the teams. Celtic didn’t just underachieve, they did so on an epic scale. What Legia don’t know, is what a highly-functional Celtic team looks like.
We need to transform that epic failure into the kind of performance we are capable of in Europe. The defence needs to find the form which broke so many records last season. Ronny needs to find some of his awesomeness.
The reality is, despite last week’s debacle, we’re still in this tie – and should plan to go through.
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BMCUW
I don’t understand someone taking a wee strop and resigning from a blog.
It’s anonymous.
It’s easy to scroll past.
The words cannot do you physical harm.
If we were all in some gigantic bar and someone was spouting offensive crap, then you would ignore him/ her and return to your conversation with people of a like mind.
If the person was willing to enter into a spirited but respectful defence of his/ her views then you might engage him.
No one ever changes their minds based on someone else’s prejudices or even in many cases logical arguments.
Our views are preformed when we sign on and remain so when we depart.
Respectful and logical. Not something we see a lot of on here.
‘GG
Personally I agree with you. But an increasing number don’t.
And that is a concern,IMO. The blog is still busy and popular enough,judging from the number of posts.
But Jimbo67 raises some good points.
I don’t agree with him leaving,and I’ve said the same to others who have done the same.
But it’s increasingly difficult to argue with their reasons for doing so.
Great wee tale earlier about the Leeds game.
I only ever took a girlfriend to Hampden once.
1985 Cup Final. She was nearly killed in a crush outside.
Never again.
bmcuw
I remember when we were going out for only a few months.
We went along to CP for an evening midweek game.
Not wishing to expose her to the jungle we went to the old enclosure in front of the main stand, where we were at pitch level.
When the teams ran out she was infatuated with the size of Big Yogi’s thighs and spent the night admiring them rather than watch the game.
I never took her back to the enclosure after that.
‘GG
Aye,but you try doing similar watching,say,a Brigitte Bardot movie back then.
She’d be spitting feathers!
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
04:47 on
5 August, 2014
If offensive posts were the prerogative of T.S.D.,then I`d be inclined to agree.
Their “offensiveness” for me is that they are posts which the majority on C.Q.N. disagree with,which for me is precisely underlines their value.
I don`t go for the “plastic Paddy” stuff,but ,imho, that`s just silly comment.
I`ve read a lot worse about the Jocks,not to mention the Poms.
Just as long as you have no intention of flouncing.
Big boy.
Sorry lads, Having returned to Glasgow after 25 years, I think we have lost our magic. It seems to me that Season Ticket money is being taken for granted. Going to a Celtic game isn’t the same, Sorry but maybe I should look at the GAA as as an answer.
MACJAY
Nae flouncing for me,bud. I’d look styoooopit in a tutu.
As for posting content which goes against the majority view,I have no problem with that.
Indeed I think dissent is healthy.
Some posters though go way beyond that. They’re an offence to decency.
CLOGHER CELT
Get along and support the team,bud.
It’s the BHOYS in the Hoops you support. Not the men in suits.
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
05:14 on
5 August, 2014
Dead right.
But there tends to be double standards at play.
4.45 am start for me ramorra.
MACJAY 0519
I suppose so,but I reckon it has more to do with the fact that some constantly post the same type of stuff.
Sure,scroll on,but having to scroll past ~20% of posts sometimes gets bloody annoying!
Contentious posts should be precisely that,a means of opening or furthering debate.
Not intended to infuriate just for the sake of it.
Boab
No argument again.
I hate seeing guys ,of whatever viewpoint, depart.
Simply because the blog and it`s founders deserve ongoing and increasing success.
Morning guys.
Didn’t see anything ‘offensive’ in the Detective’s posts last night.
How do they pick them?
Certainly not by accident.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28649039
Time for work.
CAPTAIN BEEFHEART
Well,even aside his generally extreme views,he seems incapable of constructing a post without including at least one gratuitous insult of other named posters.
Pretty sure he is unique in that.
Thanks BMCUPWPs, My dad spent hours walking the dog with your namasake in the wee park in Ruglen,what a hero he was.
macjay1 for neil lennon
05:19 on 5 August, 2014
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
05:14 on
5 August, 2014
Dead right.
But there tends to be double standards at play.
4.45 am start for me ramorra.
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Two more sleeps macjay1
Celtic F.C.
Champions League Third Qualifying Rd
Thursday 7 August, 4:45 am
Murrayfield
Celtic
vs.
Legia Warsaw
HH
“It makes no sense to keep the money in the bank and we’d rather invest in the business and that means investing in good footballers that create value for the club. Celtic can buy a £6-8m player if the value is there.”
“It allows us to go into the transfer window from a strong standing point to strengthen before the Champions League.”
Peter Lawwell 07/02/14
lymmbhoy
06:31 on
5 August, 2014
You`re a gent !!!
Cheers.
Good morning CQN, hope you are all well and looking forward to what should be a bright and rain free day
West brim to make bid of 7.5 million for commons! According to sky sports.
I read in Bill Leckie`s column in the Scottish Sun yesterday that Peter Lawwell is gambling with our money and doesn`t deserve our support. I read a few posts on CQN that said Peter lawwell is gambling with our money and doesn`t deserve our support.
Who are these peepil? We demand to know 0:-)
JJ
McDowellcelt god bless wee oscar,
Hope theyve made that up, thats serious money.Im not sure Kris would want to leave though.
lilys
he King Vic 67
“..if the value is there.”
JJ
Lilys Grandpa
I don`t know if they have made it up but I am certain it is not true!
JJ
Lily’s grandpa
7.5 million for a man with 1 year left on his contract. Id imagine if they offer half of that Celtic will do business.
Jungle Jim,
Haha Ill settle for you analysis !
lilys
McDowellcelt god bless wee oscar
That would be my fear, but Ill settle for JJ.s take on it.
lilys
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Young Philip Marlow :”Miss..! Miss..!
It Weren’t MARK BINNEY That Left Yon
Steamin’ T*rd On Thou’s Desk…..
It Were JIMBO 67….Of The CQN-Facebook Gang…..
An’ Bobby FartPants….Helped ‘Im..!!”
Bing Crosby & The Andrews Sisters
: “Don’t Fence Me In..”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BpfGqCw0O9A
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“Ronny needs to find some of his awesomeness.”
awesome
adjective
extremely impressive or daunting; inspiring great admiration, apprehension, or fear
Hmmmmmmmmm!
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On A More Serious Note..
A Sobering Analysis From A Long-Serving Senior British Army Officer….
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Gatestone Institute
Gaza’s Civilian Casualties: The Truth Is Very Different
by Richard Kemp
August 3, 2014 at 5:00 am
With few exceptions, reporters, commentators, and analysts unquestioningly accept the casualty statistics given by Gaza’s Hamas-controlled medical authorities, who ascribe all deaths to the IDF. We have never seen so much as a glimpse of killed or wounded fighters.
Analysis of casualty details released by Qatar-based Al Jazeera indicate that so far most of those killed in Gaza have been young men of fighting age, not women, children or old people.
All Palestinian civilian casualties in this conflict result ultimately from Gaza terrorists’ aggression against Israel, and Hamas’s use of human shields — the most important plank of Hamas’s war-fighting policy.
“So are you going after innocent civilians or is it incompetence Colonel Lerner?” asks the interviewer, her face contorted with a contempt apparently reserved only for Israelis. Such shrill disrespect hurled at an American or British officer would alienate viewers, and, at an Arab commander, provoke accusations of racism.
This line of questioning – repeated across the networks on a daily basis – betrays a naïve and uncomprehending willingness to believe, and encourages viewers to believe, the absurd notion that the Israel Defence Force [IDF] is commanded and manned from top to bottom by psychopathic baby-killing thugs.
To suggest that military incompetence is the only explanation for civilian deaths other than deliberate mass murder reveals a breathtaking but unsurprising ignorance of the realities of combat.
Although rarely allowed to complete so much as a single sentence, Israeli attempts to explain IDF targeting policies are inevitably dismissed as laughable fabrication.
The truth is very different. The IDF has developed the most comprehensive and sophisticated measures to minimize civilian casualties during attacks against legitimate military targets.
Mandatory, multi-sensor intelligence and surveillance systems to confirm the presence or absence of civilians precede attacks on every target from the air. Text messages, phone calls and radio messages in Arabic warn occupants to leave. Air-dropped leaflets include maps showing safe areas. When warnings go unheeded, aircraft drop non-lethal explosives to warn that an attack is imminent.
Only when pilots and air controllers are sure that civilians are clear of the target will authorization be given to attack. When pilots use laser-guided munitions they must have pre-designated safe areas to which to divert the missiles in flight should civilians suddenly appear.
A Hamas military commander recounts on Palestinian TV how Israeli forces gave advance warning to him, to evacuate his home before bombing it. He goes on to describe how after the warning, he rushed to gather friends, family and neighbors on the roof of the building.
Two pictures showing Palestinian human shields gathered on buildings for which the Israel Air Force has given advance warning of a pending bombing.
In the last few days IDF pilots have aborted many missions because civilians remained in the target area.
Ground forces have equivalent engagement procedures, although the nature of ground combat means that these are blunter and less sophisticated. Discussions with IDF infantrymen fresh from the fight on the Gaza border confirm, however, that avoiding civilian casualties is uppermost in their minds even when under fire themselves.
Meanwhile back in the safety of the studio, the interviewer’s visible fury at the IDF Spokesman has got the better of any professional objectivity: “You go on endlessly about all the warnings you give but the fact is you have killed one-and-a-half thousand people, the overwhelming majority of them civilians!”
But of course the colonel is not permitted to give a proper answer that might help viewers understand the reality of the situation.
With few exceptions, reporters, commentators and analysts unquestioningly accept the casualty statistics given by Gaza’s Hamas-controlled medical authorities, who ascribe all deaths to the IDF. Is anyone in Gaza dying of natural causes? Mass executions of “collaborators,” and civilians killed by malfunctioning Hamas rockets, are all attributed to IDF fire.
Are the “overwhelming majority” of the dead really civilians? It would seem so. We see a great deal of grotesque and heart-rending footage of dead and bleeding women and children but never so much as a glimpse of killed or wounded fighters. Nor do reporters question or comment on the complete absence of Gazan military casualties, an extraordinary phenomenon unique to this conflict. The reality of course is that Hamas make great efforts to segregate their military casualties to preserve the fiction that Israel is killing civilians only. There are also increasing indications that Hamas, through direct force or threat, are preventing journalists from filming their fighters, whether dead or alive.
We will not get to the truth until the battle is over. But we know now that Hamas have ordered their people to report all deaths as innocent civilians. We know too that Hamas has a track record of lying about casualties. After Operation Cast Lead, the 2008-09 fighting in Gaza, the IDF estimated that of 1,166 Palestinian deaths, 709 were fighters. Hamas – backed by several NGOs – claimed that only 49 of its fighters had been killed, the rest were innocent civilians. Much later they were forced to admit that the IDF had been right all along and between 600 and 700 of the casualties had in fact been fighters. But the short-memoried media are incapable of factoring this in before broadcasting their ill-founded and inflammatory assertions.
Analysis of casualty details released by Qatar-based Al Jazeera indicate that so far in the conflict most of those killed in Gaza have been young men of fighting age, not women, children or old people. According to one analyst, despite comprising around 50% of the population, the proportion of women among the dead is 21%.
Preliminary analysis by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center in Israel suggests that 71, or 46.7%, of the first 152 Palestinians killed were fighters and 81, or 53.3%, non-involved civilians.
None of this analysis is definitive. But it does cast doubt upon the accusations of indiscriminate attack against the population by the IDF and upon the UN estimates – widely trumpeted as fact by the media and the not-exactly unbiased United Nations – that between 70 and 80% of Palestinian casualties have been civilians.
Nevertheless, many innocent civilians have tragically been killed. How has this happened, given the IDF’s measures aimed at minimizing such deaths?
IDF commanders say they never intentionally fire at targets where uninvolved civilians are present, a policy that goes much further than the Geneva Conventions demand. This policy has been confirmed to me by foot soldiers on the ground and F16 pilots carrying out strikes into Gaza.
But mistakes happen. Surveillance and intelligence can never be foolproof. There have been reports of Hamas forcing civilians back in once buildings have been evacuated. There is sometimes unexpected fallout from attacks, for example when an adjacent building containing civilians collapses, often caused by secondary explosions resulting from Hamas’s own munitions.
Errors can be made in interpretation of imagery, passage of information and inputting of target data. We don’t yet know what happened to the four boys tragically killed on a Gaza beach; it is not credible that they were identified as children and then deliberately killed.
Weapons guidance systems sometimes malfunction and bombs, bullets or missiles can land where they are not supposed to. Even the most hi-tech communications systems can fail at the critical moment.
Nowhere are these errors more frequent and catastrophic than in ground combat, where commanders and soldiers experience chaos, noise, smoke, fear, exhaustion, danger, shock, maiming, death and destruction that are beyond the comprehension of our interviewer in her air conditioned TV studio.
These mistakes and malfunctions happen in all fighting armies and in all conflicts. And in all conflicts, mistakes include the deaths of soldiers by friendly fire. Do those who condemn the killing of Palestinian civilians as deliberate acts by the IDF suggest that the friendly fire incidents in Gaza are also intentional?
The Israeli policy of not attacking targets where civilians are present is likely however to be deliberately waived in one specific situation. If troops are under lethal fire from an enemy position, the IDF are entitled to attack the target even with the certainty that civilians will be killed, subject to the usual rules of proportionality.
By definition Israeli soldiers’ lives are placed at greater risk by restrictive rules of engagement intended to minimize civilian casualties. But commanders in the field must balance their concern for civilians with the preservation of their own men’s lives and fighting effectiveness.
These realities aside, all Palestinian civilian casualties in this conflict result ultimately from Gaza terrorists’ aggression against Israel, and Hamas’s use of human shields – the most important plank of Hamas’s war-fighting policy.
Storing and firing weapons within densely populated areas, compelling civilians to stay put when warned to leave, luring Israeli forces to attack and kill their own people, the Palestinian body count is vital to Hamas’s propaganda war that aims to bring international pressure on Israel and incite anti-Israeli and anti-Semitic hatred around the world.
This sickening exploitation of their own people’s suffering, and media’s complicity in it, is nowhere more cynically demonstrated than in the operating theaters of the Gaza Strip. Without the slightest regard for life-saving hygiene, or for the care, privacy or dignity of the wounded, Palestinian officials enthusiastically hustle camera crews in to the emergency room as desperate surgeons battle for a bleeding and broken child’s life.
Colonel Richard Kemp spent most his 30-year career in the British Army commanding front-line troops in fighting terrorism and insurgency in hotspots including Iraq, the Balkans, South Asia and Northern Ireland. He was Commander of British Forces in Afghanistan in 2003. From 2002 – 2006 he heading the international terrorism team at the Joint Intelligence Committee of the British Prime Minister’s Office.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4570/gaza-civilian-casualties
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Suddenly, Bill Leckie`s sounds like the voice of reason.
Cheerio,
JJ
SydKevLeckieAnon will be on in a mo.
The Singing Detective Demands The Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie
08:00 on 5 August, 2014
Where do you get aff posting p1sh like this??
Truly perverse behaviour.
TSD 0800
Nice one,bud.
You simply proved my post to CAPTAIN BEEFHEART at 0602 to be bang on the money in one respect.
And your follow-up proved it in the other.
Congratulations,job done.
Morning all.
Bright down here at the moment.
Hope the mood on here is brighter than it has been recently.
Hope too that there are plenty of Saltires in evidence at Murrayfield tomorrow.
Colonel Blimp, fresh from a long career of ‘creating democracy’ in other people’s countries, says its all the fault of them pesky Arabs. The ‘terrorist seeking warheads’ of the IDF are innocent…
Colonel Blimp headed up the ‘International Terrorism Team’. Yep, they got that right…
WhatanArseCSC
archdeaconsbench
08:18 on 5 August, 2014
The Singing Detective Demands The
Resignation Of Campbell Ogilvie
08:00 on 5 August, 2014
Where do you get aff posting p1sh
like this??
Truly perverse behaviour.
P**
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So The Vastly Experienced Colonel Richard Kemp Gives An Opinion…..
And The Sagacious Archdeaconsbench….
Also Offers An Opinion…
I Know Which…I Would Run With…
But It Appears That Some Folk….
Prefer To Be ‘Duped’ By The MSM….
Simply Because It Suits Their AGENDA(S)….
Up The Hoops..!
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