Kris Boyd’s post-match tirade on Sunday was arresting. He was angry and, just after fulltime, his thoughts tumbled out in an unstructured manner. You seldom see such vociferous anger on television outside of the drama genre. I don’t recall ever seeing it from a sports presenter.
Not long after getting home from such an emphatic victory, this was like sugar on the doughnut to complete the afternoon’s entertainment. Later on, I felt a bit guilty. Boyd wasn’t right in being so forthright and it wasn’t right for me to enjoy the show.
When a SkySports professional displays uncontained anger, it normalises this behaviour. Others feel permitted to get angry, some may even think that anger is appropriate and that they are obliged to get angry to show how much they care.
Later on Sunday, when the Newco players returned to Ibrox, they were met by a very angry mob. Board members who have put millions of pounds into the club, players who have to motivate themselves for the coming games, and a manager who is sitting on a new gold-plated contract, were roundly abused.
As a Celtic fan, it is clear how unproductive this is. Celtic cannot do as much damage to Newco as angry and uncontained Newco ‘fans’.
Whatsit to us? You and I can acknowledge this is not normal, it is not healthy and it is not an example to us, whenever/if ever we inevitably drop from our run of trebles and titles. It is not Celtic, it is not even the Rangers I remember from the magnificent early 80s [the 70s was another era], it is a new and ugly phenomenon [Neil Lennon might suggest it’s not absolutely new].
Kris Boyd possibly doesn’t know better. His parting line on the programme, about his wife having a lot to deal with that night, was clearly an innocent joke at his own expense. But the joke formed in Kris’s head, as another thought formed in mine, that uncontained male anger has very ugly consequences in a domestic environment. If you whip up hundreds of thousands of football fans, someone, somewhere, will pay a price.
If uncontained anger about football is your thing, you will be able to fill your boots most weeks. It is ugly, and anyone who thinks it is acceptable needs to have a look at themself.
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Down with that sort of thing
Burnley78 on 3rd September 2024 9:37 pm
Beating Bratislava home and away was a big deal for us in those days. We took a 1-0 home win to their place and they really thought they would beat us easily at home.
Concerning Kyoto offside goal,James Forrest piece today is mind boggling.If you were as confused as I was at the VAR pictures,he explains why.FFS,unbelievable.
Really,its a must read.
BACK TO BASICS – GLASS HALF FULL on 3RD SEPTEMBER 2024 3:41 PM
You nailed it. There’s never any need for that level of abuse of your own players.
Celt 55
Yes I read they had just returned from a tour of the USA and were really confident. It was before my time sadly. That really good European run seems to have been discredited because of the crazy semi final 2nd leg.
Burnley78 on 3rd September 2024 10:04 pm
Aye, we thought we were through, Bob Kelly often gets the blame for our approach in Hungary, but I’m not sure how fair that was. It was a crushing blow for us all though. Still 3 years later…
https://www.glasgowworld.com/lifestyle/food-and-drink/famed-celtic-bar-in-the-barras-to-close-down-4767273
TURKEYBHOY
Yip the Alan Morrison reference is very interesting
https://thecelticblog.com/2024/09/articles-and-features/articles/celtic-should-be-looking-for-answers-after-the-latest-var-farce-and-so-should-other-clubs-and-the-media/
Celt 55
It actually wasn’t the biggest first leg deficit to be overcome that competition. Whether it was Bob Kelly fault or not.
In the previous round the eventual winners (after a replay) Sporting Lisbon overturned a 4-1 first leg loss by beating Manchester Utd 5-0 in the 2nd leg.
MN Celt,@3.53,
The deliberate foul on Kyogo was just that.He had touched the ball on,and Sterling ,arriving late,took him out from the back\side,barging him to the ground,deliberately with a good deal of force.Not an accident.
Celt 55
Having lived through their 9 and then their Wee Dick period and seen them up close for the return of Walter and the financially doped destruction I do feel I am enjoying this current generation of domination even more.
I would have loved to have been born 7 or so years earlier though to have known what it felt like to have won the league only 4 times in 40 years before the subsequent success. That must have been really special.
Burnley,
Was at that MTK game ,still young.Walk up to to the Ferry,across to Anderson,Tram to Ground,lift over,back same way.3-0 delighted.Mother and her sister took me to the One O Clock Gang day after second leg.Larry Marshall going off his nut losing 4-0.Semi- final as well.
A memory jogging post there.😃😃😃😃😃😃
Didn’t know JF ran an article.
Will have a look.
https://x.com/behindtwpod/status/1830902126639194548
CBN Alan talking to this guy on Twitter is interesting.
Burnley78 on 3rd September 2024 10:23 pm
It was very special. 1958 to 1964 were really poor times. We had good young players, but not a good team. We still had some old heads around, like Neil Mochan and Willie Fernie came back, but it wasn’t enough to take on some of the teams at the time. Scottish teams were quite strong in those years, not just Rangers. This made 1965 onwards all the sweeter though.
With the TV companies having their say plus Europa League football pushing games to Sunday there are possibly a maximum of 4 simultaneous VAR operations in the SPFL.
Can’t we stretch Collum’s budget to buy four rulers?
Turkeybhoy on 3rd September 2024 10:29 pm
There was a sketch on that 1.00 o’clock gang show where Larry Marshall was asked his name and then his initials, “MTK” was the reply. Very raw that day. Nae need!
Another frustrating facet of this disallowed goal which hasn’t got too much of a mention so far?
From start to finish it was a thing of beauty.
Had everything you want to see in modern football.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ckg54xkqnzlo
Amateur hour.
To be fair to the SFA and SPFL – they can claim penury is a factor in their incompetence.
English Premier League is awash with money.
Simple rule change …
“You want parachute payments? We own your accounts” ….
Should suffice?
B2B
Dermot Gallagher said it was the correct call and Beaton was brilliant….that’s good enough for me 🙄🫣
Lol mucho PB.
Indeed.
Constable Jack in the Punch and Judy show.
Blogger finally catches on that the piss poor technology employed in the back of the van is not up to the job.
Not really news is it.
If we take an old money view, as in using the pitch layout as the guide to Kuhn’s relative position he is onside all season long. But that would have meant that Celtic were one up, cannot have that.
Another old fashioned view shows the linesman trying to catch up with Kuhn to try and witness the next phase of the play. Why would he do that? Because he considered Kuhn onside when the ball was played forward.
We had enough of this malarkey last season, and it nearly cost us the title……
Looks like normal service has been restored…..
GENE
Sorry , don’t remember any of them. I played in the team with a Des McKenna, Mick McGeady, Charlie Marenghi, Willie Gallagher.
Burnley78 on 3rd September 2024 11:55 am
An T
I really appreciate the history lesson and insight. Especially as someone who had a fair bit of Irish immigrant ancestry (both religions) fleeing poverty.
I do assume you mean the principle of genocide rather than the specific term itself being spoken of back then.
My understanding was that word itself (Genocide) was only coined by a Polish / Austrian lawyer in 1944/5/6.
Burnley78
Thanks for reply,both religions were affected by the Genocide that was inflicted on the Irish by the controlling state of Empire,that empire was British,it as a state had the power to intervene,it deemed not to as ton after ton of food and sustance was exported abroad.
You are technically correct in your understanding,Polish lawyer Lemkin defined on seeing the horrors inflicted by the Ottonan turks on the Armenians in the 1910s and 20s.
it was the systematic destruction of a race,religion,nationality or ethnicity by the controlling power of that time.its was first used post ww2 to describe the slaughter by the German State on Jews primarily 6m,and other minority groups
The Armenians have their own name for the destruction of human life,then in their own language,The Irish have it(many) in theirs what we know as An Gorta Mor,the Congolese have their words for the destruction of life by their Belgian masters as documented by Roger Casement,
So yes I am using a principle inculcated state power,there was plenty used in Irish to call it,the green mouth, the death and An Gorta Mor.
1846-51 was not the first time crops failed,as I noted earlier famine/starving out was a common tactic by the state,noted by Spenser,carried out by Cromwell(his cruelty sticks out) among many tyrants as planted culture slowly attempted to erode Irish language and culture.Gerald of Wales in 12/13th century chronicles how the subhuman and uncivilised Irish had to be brought out of the woods in what to some historians is the birth of racism,a racism that exists with the British today .
Alas we also see it today in Gaza/west bank,death becomes the norm,human life valuless as we see state power at work with Israelis on Palestinians.sad..
It’s always an interesting talk b78 :-))
HH
Good morning all from Govanhill. A fine day in old Glasgow Town.
Sutton asked him where Rangers go from here, and Boyd answered “I dunno”, to which Sutton retorted rather viciously that he (Boyd) is paid to have an opinion. I beg to differ. Boyd is paid to wear a face like a spanked arse after Celtic win or Rangers lose, and all the better if both occur in the same match. He isn’t employed for insightful punditry, he is paid to be Chris Sutton’s fool.
An T
Thanks for the insight as always. I was never certain re that actual word.
I think the (acceptance or not of) actual crime of genocide itself was a hot topic in legal circles in the mid 20th century and the irony of 2 prominent Jewish lawyers arguing over it, as Lemkin and Lauterpacht did in the 40s, is not lost on me when we see Gaza today. Both were relatively more privileged than Palestinians today but both suffered horrible personal loss in the persecution of the Jews by the Nazis at that time.
From the rangers statement
“Season ticket holders from the Copland Stand will be offered an exclusive window to purchase seating elsewhere.”
Season ticket holders from the closed rangers end have an ‘opportunity’ to ‘PURCHASE’ seats elsewhere???
Sargassosea
Thanks for the reply
Floatin’ on 4th September 2024 8:25 am
It is a cup tie….but wouldn’t put it past thems.
Morning.
Floatin`
`What does it mean when it says purchase?
to acquire by the payment of money or its equivalent; `
Hmm…
theBHOYfromU.N.C.L.E on 4th September 2024 8:42 am
Oh, yes. I had forgotten that it is a cup tie. Oops.
BTW the forecast here was a bright sunny day – it’s raining, hopefully won’t last long, got a few outside chores today
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Pretty astute conclusion from Kris Boyd on Sunday following a crushing early season defeat by Brendan Rodger’s Celtic team. Boyd wears his heart on his sleeve, has been doing so for years. As pundits go I think he is a half decent analyst, while paid to give his opinion as to what he witnessed on the pitch. To extrapolate from there as Paul67 has done in his latest leader, that Kris Boyd is somehow reponsible for the protests outside Ibrox after the game, (though why Rangers* went back there when they are based at Hampden is anybody’s guess) is itself irresponsible in the extreme. Compounded by a reference to comments made by Willie Waddell made at a time when Paul67 had just about stopped wearing his Pampers, (assuming he ever did that is, which is debateable given his obsession with bedwetting) and the inference that Kris Boyd’s own comment about not being good company at home later, places him in the same category Waddell referred to over fifty years ago was cheap, nasty, and it should be said, unbecoming of and for the creator and host of this dear green place. Not to mention as SadiesBhoy did yesterday the fact that, as shown not so long ago, parts of our own support do not take to disappointment in football in a calm fashion, or a measured manner.
To put it lightly
Regards MTK…. three games from roughly that era I can remember exactly where I was in the stadium and coincidentally all semi finals………MTK back of the jungle high up on the ledge…………Liverpool right down very front Celtic slightly left of goal………….Dukla Prague up on the stanchions very back of Celtic end.
MTK away, listened to some distorted sound commentary on a ‘modern’ radiogram the size of a coffin…..still have it…….
timewas csc
Football supporters verbally abusing their own players and officials is hardly a new phenomenon. In fact I’d go as far as to say the R2ngers mob learned from the Celtic car park protests against Neil Lennon and his players and as recently as 10 days ago at St Mirren Park.
People in glass houses etc . . .