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I get confused with these de Boer boys, one was decent, one was very good, was it one or both who borrowed money through a Rangers Employee Benefit Trust? Who cares, what’s important is that many more than just de Boers took money through EBTs, leading to an unsightly liquidation.

It’s surprising, therefore, to read the Ajax manager refer in his media conference to the consequences of those EBTs, namely “the loss of Rangers”. The price, Mr de Boer, is an honest, clean, game, where everyone respects the rules. No one hides documents from HMRC, the SFA or SPFL. No one goes through the indignity of having their instructions to shred their contract read out in court.  No club would live in fear of having to submit ALL required information to a league Commission.

The price is a clean game and we are thankful for it.

News that Scott Brown is out for several months was an enormous blow. Added to the suspensions of Nir Bitton and Stefan Johansen and we are totally without central midfielders. Charlie Mulgrew has been out for 10 weeks and may limp onto the field, but this will, without doubt, be an emergency line-up.

Despite that, there’s no Surrender Monkeys here. Celtic are never stronger than when they’re underestimated, an no one underestimates opponents quite the way Frank de Boer did yesterday.  Bring it on.

Mike Ashley, why do they prod him with a stick? Don’t make statements which he can and will easily refute.

Bucketeers!

I watched and read the response to the Foundation Sleep-Out event earlier this month. Celtic fans do things in the name of our club which continues to astonish. If you’ve not gotten involved yet, you can do so on Saturday.

Before the Hamilton game the Foundation are having their annual Christmas Appeal Bucket Collection. Come along early, pick up a bib and bucket, and get a free ticket to the game. It’s great fun, a great cause and a wonderful way to pay a bit back to the ethos which brings you to Celtic Park.

Details on signing up here.

Thanks to all who’ve bought The Winds of Change, a great read for anyone who lived through the great changes in our club from Liam Brady to Martin O’Neill.

Alex Gordon picks up the story in 1991 as Liam Brady replaces Billy McNeill and the Celtic support were about to have their boast of being ‘faithful through and through’ put to the ultimate test as barren years followed.

Eight Celtic managers, if you include Kenny Dalglish, sat in the Celtic dugout as our manager with some being much more successful than others. The book ends with Martin O’Neill leaving but there was time for CQN to add a note about the events of November 4, 2015 so that the reader can appreciate the task Celtic faced in these years, playing opponents with a loaded dice.

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  1. I’d go with

     

     

    —————-Gordon

     

    Lustig—Boyata—Jozo—Tierney

     

    ————–Rogic—–Mulgrew

     

    —Forrest——-Armstrong——GMS

     

    ——————-Leigh

     

     

    Bench: Bailly, Efe, Izzy, Allan, Stokes, Ciftci, McGreggor

  2. TONYDONNELLY67 on 26TH NOVEMBER 2015 2:34 PM

     

     

    Auldheid/TBB – apologies but for some reason I always conflate your virtual personas – I think it’s the association of Heid and Bunnet… Anyway – the Heid/Bunnet axis predicted as much.

     

     

     

    I too get them mixed up, don’t know why, is one called Ronald, and the other called Frank? :))

     

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    Ooft! If I were you Tony, I’d now be concerned about a Battered Heid… !

     

     

    :-)))

  3. JOE FILIPPIS HAIRCUT on 26TH NOVEMBER 2015 2:39 PM

     

     

    NATKNOW. Sometimes on CQN I get amazed anyone who thinks any case against the Rangers or anyone connected to them either now or in the future in Scotland will have a water tight case against them.If we have not learned that over the past years we have learned nothing. In Scotland the Rangers are part of the Establishment and they are treated as that as are folk connected with them. H.H.

     

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    Tru dat…

  4. How many of this side would make the Seville side?

     

     

    Who would you swap out of wee Gordons team that qualified twice in a row for the last 16?

     

     

     

    Would lenny take any of the current team for his side that beat spartak home and away?

     

     

     

    Aye it’s all the managers fault right enough.

  5. I couldent pick tonight’s team if I tried, seen a few not bad ones today, also seen some roasters, I’ll leave it up to RD to do, but he won’t please everyone that’s for sure, to me, he/we have not had one bit of luck in Europe this season, the last game we had tw goals chalked off for offside, in Tuesday and Wednesday’s CL games, I’v seen some well offside ones let go, way worse than ours, that’s the rub of the green I suppose, hopefully our luck will change tonight, cmon the hoops.

     

    Lurking Huns GIRFUYs.

  6. Congratulations to the youngsters for advancing in Europe with a fine performance last night.

     

    Hope the first team can emulate them tonight.

     

    Efe for anchorman.

  7. The Battered Bunnet on

    How many of this side would make the Seville side?

     

     

    The keeper

     

     

    Who would you swap out of wee Gordons team that qualified twice in a row for the last 16?

     

     

    WGS’s team didn’t have a great defence. Not that Ronny’s does right now, but I’d give WGS Ronny’s full backs.

     

     

    Also Bitton instead of Jarosic/Graveson/Donati/Robson/Hartley, and remember Broonie wasn’t doing so well at that time.

     

     

    Commons for Maloney/McGeady? Dunno.

     

     

    Griff for MacDonald? Eachy-peachy.

     

     

    I’d say on balance that WGS got far more from his players than Ronny is getting at the moment, I might go as far as to suggest that WGS would get more out of the current group too.

     

     

    Would lenny take any of the current team for his side that beat spartak home and away?

     

     

    Well, he bought more than half the current side…

  8. mullet and co 2 on

    I expect us to play with Mulgrew and Ambrose in the two holding roles and Rogic just in front with Forrest and GMS on the right and left.

     

    Armstrong to drop in for Mulgrew if he doesn’t make it.

  9. Lack of confidence in our legal system, or more appropriately its practicioners, in some of today’s posts.

     

    That is why I believe, ludicrous though it may seem, that there will be an appeal in Big Tax Case.

     

    Lot of knuckles to be crunched and goats still to abused.

  10. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on

    the SFA has not expressed any concerns over Mr Ashley remaining as a shareholder or having an ability to vote his shares through MASH Holdings Limited in general meeting.

     

     

    Aye and the´s the rub

     

     

    Place yet at the end of this sentence and I reckon that is where we are going (well hopefully)

     

     

    Will the courts place a gun to the head of the head of the SFA when the SFA threaten the courts that UEFA will throw Scotland out of it´s competitions if anyone except pro Sevco stuff naturally threatens them through the courts ?

     

     

    This is where we are heading with the SFA´s stance.

     

     

    No Government has jurisdiction over UEFA/FIFA statutes. So if the SFA get UEFA approval .. and less be honest here they are in a an awful mess.

     

     

    Ashley might just get his bum felt

     

     

    If the SFA were to become publicly intransigent over their first love and the courts via anyone trying to expose them then I fully expect UEFA to back the SFA up to the hilt.

     

     

    I suspect SNP involvement pretty soon.

     

     

    HH

  11. TONYDONNELLY67 on 26TH NOVEMBER 2015 4:21 PM

     

    I couldent pick tonight’s team if I tried, seen a few not bad ones today, also seen some roasters, I’ll leave it up to RD to do, but he won’t please everyone that’s for sure, to me, he/we have not had one bit of luck in Europe this season, the last game we had tw goals chalked off for offside, in Tuesday and Wednesday’s CL games, I’v seen some well offside ones let go, way worse than ours, that’s the rub of the green I suppose, hopefully our luck will change tonight, cmon the hoops.

     

     

     

     

    Lurking Huns GIRFUYs.

     

     

    Nae luck in Europe.

     

    You cannot be serious.

     

    Two up within minutes against Malmo and got gubbed.

     

     

    – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/underestimating-celtic/comment-page-3/#comment-2725444

  12. Interesting team in the Scotsman.

     

     

    GK – Craig Gordon

     

     

    The Celtic No.1 has yet to hit the heights of last season, particularly in Europe where he was a star across the club’s six games in the same stage of the Europa League. However, a must-win game is not the time to try out any understudies.

     

     

    DEFENCE

     

     

    DR – Mikael Lustig

     

     

    DC – Dedryck Boyata

     

     

    DC – Jozo Simunovic

     

     

     

    DL – Emilio Izaguirre

     

     

    Deila’s first choice back-line is fit and ready to go against their Dutch visitors.

     

     

    Lustig, having been wrapped in cotton wool at the start of the season, is now regularly playing twice a week, so there should be no ill-effects from his 90 minutes against Kilmarnock at the weekend.

     

     

    At the other full-back position, Izaguirre has started the last two games after being dropped for youngster Kieran Tierney, and his experience will likely give him the edge for this selection.

     

     

     

    At centre back Deila is certain to pick his first choice duo, who’ve not been available for a full 90 minutes in Europe since these sides last met on match-day one.

     

     

    DEFENSIVE MIDFIELD

     

     

    DM – Efe Amrbose

     

     

    DM – Stuart Armstrong

     

     

    The loss of Nir Bitton and Scott Brown, coupled with Charlie Mulgrew not yet at match fitness, means Deila will have to trust a pair of unnatural deep-lying midfielders at the base. He’ll likely want one player who is comfortably sitting in front of the back four, acting as an extra layer of defence. Ambrose fits the bill.

     

     

    Celtic fans may not want the Nigerian anywhere near the team, though Deila has shown faith in him in the past, and the manager will likely resist throwing in an unknown quantity in Scott Allan.

     

     

    Armstrong has played further back on occasion in his young, and while his positioning is suspect defensively, his athleticism and stamina can make him an asset in the role.

     

     

    ATTACKING MIDFIELD

     

     

    MR – James Forrest

     

     

    AMC – Tom Rogic

     

     

    ML – Kieran Tierney

     

     

    Tierney has already proven himself to be a worthy contributor to the Celtic attack with his runs from the left-back position. Having put in such a strong showing against Molde he was unfortunate to drop out of the side following his time away with the Scotland under-19 squad, and we believe Deila will bring him back to help cover the absences in midfield.

     

     

    With so many players out, having Forrest available is huge. The winger has been one of the more consistent performers in a hooped shirt this season, while Rogic will likely get the nod over Armstrong at the No.10 role. The Australian has been a pleasant surprise with his showings this season and he’ll likely continue in his strongest position despite a sub-par showing against Molde.

     

     

    STRIKER

     

     

    FC – Leigh Griffiths

     

     

    Nadir Ciftci could be a wildcard to play either in the No.10 role or one of the wings since those are positions he played at Dundee United on occasion, though there’s no chance he’ll start above the Ladbrokes Premiership’s leading goalscorer when both are fit.

     

     

     

     

    Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/celtic/celtic-v-ajax-the-likely-celtic-starting-xi-1-3959456#ixzz3scHcVm00

     

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  13. How many of this side would make the Seville side?

     

     

    Gordon and Lustig (If we played fullbacks)

     

     

    Maybe Jozo and Tierney but it’s too early to say.

     

     

    Would lenny take any of the current team for his side that beat spartak home and away?

     

     

    Other than the ones who were already there? Griffiths and maybe Jozo and Tierney.

     

     

    But I take your point. Ronny doesn’t have the same budget as MON did.

  14. Tbb,

     

     

    Just a cheeky wee grenade chucked in(without much thought) to try get the talk away from sevco ;))

     

     

    HH

  15. “Two up within minutes against Malmo and got gubbed”

     

     

    Quonno,

     

     

    Perhaps the game coulda been managed better but the goals that “gubbed us” as you say were….

     

     

    Our captain making an erse of a easy header.

     

     

    Our two possibly best players going for the same ball and neither winning it.

     

     

    An own goal.

     

     

    And I cannot mind for the life of me how they scored their 4th of the tie.

     

     

    As I said yesterday, things could be a hell of a lot better but if it weren’t for bad luck we’ve have none Imo

     

     

     

    HH

  16. Bunnet,

     

     

    You should wave your bunnet aloft, battered or not! You talk a lot of sense. RD is about to reap what he has sown. Your finding on nine players for one position sums the managerial project up. Take the well known detective board game, drop the “doh” and pair it with “less”…., to arrive at reality.

     

     

    Fred Quimby did you go to Strathclyde…hence your name? If so, do you remember, “Freds”?

     

     

    Rebus

  17. “But I take your point. Ronny doesn’t have the same budget as MON did”

     

     

    Timalloy,

     

     

    What are you trying to do?? Start a war!!?? :))

     

     

    I know mon spent close to £20m in first 6 months but it’s since been calculated wgs had similar budget over his time.

     

     

    HH

  18. timaloy29 on 26th November 2015 4:40 pm

     

     

    According to PL last week, wages bill is the same as it was at Seville.

  19. Tom Boyd is better than SuperSutton on

    Rebus67.

     

     

    The Freds were on in Glasgow Uni when i was there from 77-81.

  20. Comparing today’s team against the Seville team is OK but we are talking about home games against Molde & a poor Ajax side, not beating Liverpool in Anfield.

  21. Tom Boyd,

     

     

    You must have picked them up from Strathclyde after we were finished with them! I was at uni 1964-68…a great time of my life.

     

     

    Best wishes to you and yours at this time. Football is just………….football!

     

     

    Rebus

  22. GEORDIE MUNRO on 26TH NOVEMBER 2015 4:45 PM

     

    “Two up within minutes against Malmo and got gubbed”

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Quonno,

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Perhaps the game coulda been managed better but the goals that “gubbed us” as you say were….

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Our captain making an erse of a easy header.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Geordie Munro on 26th November 2015 4:45 pm

     

    Perhaps the game coulda been managed better but the goals that “gubbed us” as you say were…. Our captain making an erse of a easy header. Our two possibly best players going for the same ball and neither winning it.

     

     

    It would appear that our manager does not manage European games too well.

     

    And why do opponents not make the basic errors you quote as often as we do.

     

    Of both Malmo and Molde it has been said here the man for man they were not as good as us.

     

    If this is truly the case, then there is something sadly lacking in thee whole Celtic set up.

     

    – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/underestimating-celtic/comment-page-3/#comment-2725457

     

     

     

     

     

     

    An own goal.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    And I cannot mind for the life of me how they scored their 4th of the tie.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    As I said yesterday, things could be a hell of a lot better but if it weren’t for bad luck we’ve have none Imo

     

     

    Two of the goals

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    HH

     

     

    – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/underestimating-celtic/comment-page-3/#comment-2725457

  23. Corkcelt,

     

     

    This is a poor ajax side.

     

     

    And if it were a team we hadn’t heard of they’d be a pub team ;)

     

     

    Naecreditever csc

  24. quonno

     

     

    Martin O’Neill was manager of Celtic 15 years ago. Football has changed drastically.

     

     

    What do you think has happened to the wage of the Average EPL player in that period?

  25. quonno

     

     

    Have you anything else negative to say before I head up to Celtic park? Just let me know if you have, I’m close to slashing my wrists here with your negativity, a win for the hoops tonight and you won’t be seen for a week, that’s one consolation , mon the hoops.

  26. thomthethim for Oscar OK on

    Awe Naw,

     

     

    As far as I understand, UEFA doesn’t have a problem with anyone having any influence in two clubs in different Associations.

     

     

    Where a conflict would arise is if both clubs were in danger of beng drawn together in European competition.

     

     

    The the Sophie’s Choice Rule would apply.

  27. TIMALOY29 on 26TH NOVEMBER 2015 5:00 PM

     

    quonno

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Martin O’Neill was manager of Celtic 15 years ago. Football has changed drastically.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    What do you think has happened to the wage of the Average EPL player in that period?

     

     

    All of which makes it essential that when signing players we avoid the Derks, Amidos Pukkis etc.

     

     

    – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/underestimating-celtic/comment-page-3/#comment-2725467

  28. TONYDONNELLY67 on 26TH NOVEMBER 2015 5:03 PM

     

    quonno

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Have you anything else negative to say before I head up to Celtic park? Just let me know if you have, I’m close to slashing my wrists here with your negativity, a win for the hoops tonight and you won’t be seen for a week, that’s one consolation , mon the hoops.

     

     

    One man’s negativity is another man’s reality.

     

     

     

    – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/underestimating-celtic/comment-page-3/#comment-2725471

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