Campbell Ogilvie’s appointment as president of the SFA was always controversial. As general secretary and director of Rangers, Ogilvie was the club’s chief administrator during the final 11-year period they refused to employ Catholic footballers. In many other walks of life, this background would make him an embarrassing relic of a former era, but in Scottish football it was enough to see him promoted to the ultimate honour position.
He remained in position at Rangers long after the new regime of Sir David Murray arrived and set aside the decades-old sectarian employment policy but left the club in 2005, joining Hearts as operations director two months later. All of this puts the SFA president in central position regarding the on-going tax tribunal, which is charged with deciding if Rangers illegally evaded tax from a period starting in 2000 and going on well beyond Ogilvie’s departure.
If the First Tier Tribunal finds against Rangers the SFA must ask for Ogilvie’s immediate resignation. The association cannot have a president embroiled in a tax evasion scam which, even before a verdict has been decided, has already caused untold harm to his former club and the reputation Scottish football. The scale of the damage to public finances has yet to be definitively established but it will not make good reading.
The SFA has just embarked on its first proper investigation into whether directors of a football club, in this instance Rangers, are fit and proper persons to hold such a position. Office holders at the association cannot exercise power over the game if they are not subject to the same standards they demand from clubs. Pending this investigation, and the outcome of the tax tribunal, Ogilvie should temporarily step aside. Scotland is not yet a banana republic, public bodies must have robust ethics and must not allow the shadow of contagion to be cast over the body charged with ensuring legal and moral standards are adhered to.
The SFA has some enormously important months ahead. Its president is currently in a position to influence which course it takes and, if the tribunal verdict falls against Rangers, could be implicated in the scandal which precipitated the crisis. While I am sure Campbell Ogilvie will be shown to have acted with impeccable ethical standards, the SFA must quickly establish a structure clear of contagion.
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For me is is also interesting that Steven Craven was not readmitted to the refereeing fraternity and that Campbell Ogilvie or Stewart Regan did not react to this
ME thinks Steven Craven …… may have a lot to tell … I certainly hope so
Hail Hail
The falling domino principle —– Disintegration time.
The joys of payback are just beginning—-
JF – I have been digging this morning with no luck so far. I have 100% read the rules about this on this site before. I cannot remember what disaster we were discussing at the time but I have 100% read rules that players’ contracts and wages MUST be paid for by the football club and nobody else. Contracts MUST be with the football club also.
curly says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:43
Indian Jones and the Temple of Doom.
A Scotsman and an English man are standing in a bar talking about their children.
The Scotsman says to the Englishman “My son was born on St. Andrews day, so naturally I named him Andrew.”
“Thats funny”, replies the Englishman, “My son was born on St Georges day, so I named him George!”
On hearing this, an Irishman further along the bar turns to them both and says – “Jaysus lads that’s amazing, the very same thing happened with myself and my son Pancake!”
*Before anyone starts, I’m Irish myself – I just found it funny.
In any other country Ogilvie’s past, where he worked for an institutionally sectarian organisation, would have ruled him an unsuitable candidate for his current role. But when you live in the best wee bigoted country in the world, and the job is with the sfa, you’re an ideal candidate.
Paul 67
I need to get in contact with a regular poster.
Is there a way I can find provide my email address outwith the open forum?
The Onlooker
PeteTheBeat says:
21 February, 2012 at 10:31
No amount of money is worth that. Do we have a Witness Protection program :-)
He wont need a witness protection plan. he’s been wearing a mask ( just like dick turpin ) all this time…. that shiny latex skin and those froggy eyes. I’m sure i seen it in tamshephards. Agent Whyte will be fine.
PC67
Well done, Paul. Another piece of chicanery uncovered.
You’d wait another geological age for that to surface in the mainstream media.
ulysses mcghee 21 February, 2012 at 11:46:
Pretty sure Reagan’s last statement included a ” it’s not appropriate to comment on this until the inquiry completes”
Excellent Paul, I’ve been waiting a long time for this article!!!
Come out come out where ever you are!!
SP
Awe_Naw….,
The Honorable Mr Craven will be head of referee development in the newco sfa :o)
ernie lynch says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:27
Talking about movies, why is it that Whytie’s involvement with the huns reminds me of The Producers?
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Spot on, Ernie.
You could have a lot of fun casting for the stage show and the movie.
Afternoon bhoys from a sunkist, hun free mountain.
Paul67
Delighted to see your guns are now trained on the real villans, without the compliant SFA, Scottish football would not be in this mess.
Go get em Paul, and no blanks in the guns mind.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:47
I think Celtic have a few Aces up their sleeve including Craven. There will be a time and a place IF they ever need to play them. The establishment is imploding and Phil’s latest is astounding!
LB
In any other country a club with a sectarian signing policy wouldn’t have been allowed in the league.
canamalar
Disband the SFA … the only solution
It has been ran for the benefit of one man St. David Murray for 23 years.
FIFA wants to remove Scotlands voting rights.
Dermot Desmond .. Peter Lawwell .. get in there NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GB Team
UK League
Leave the bigoted wee erses to fester. AMEN
Hail Hail
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:44
‘Looks to me like folding the sfa is the only way to go, newco sfa anyone :oD’
I suggested last season that the solution to the bias and corruption of the SFA was a British Football Association.
Others claimed the SFA was cleaning up its act and could be trusted. New, open and transparent processes etc. I wasn’t convinced and I’m still not convinced.
LiviBhoy says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:47
curly says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:43
Great name for Ibrokes.
The temple of doom
LB
(And weeminger)
Brilliant!!
JCGE of their misfortunes.
Ulryc
http://youtu.be/vRiAQNz1E4g
Lads does anyone have a copy of these SFA rules? not wanting anyone to amend them without the public’s knowledge, wouldn’t trust that lot.
RogueLeader & weeminger
Thanks for the legal advice on pet names, nick names, etc.
The fact that it is his own blog, he is accoutable for his ramblings? Or can he say what he likes?
LiviBhoy says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:53
Yup !!!!
And that is what the new palptalk loyal will be selling soon.
I honestly can´t wait and am terrified that we miss any opportunity.
HAil Hail
Here is the primary case study on http://www.primaryassetfinance.co.uk (now offline) website on how they help individuals.
Hmm, something sounds familiar, this is the guy that took out 160k over 8 months at iBrokes.
Case Studies
Turnaround Case Study
The Problem
A Hertfordshire-based haulage company was having cashflow problems and in arrears with PAYE and VAT, as well as under pressure from the bank.
What Primary Asset Finance did for them
Implemented ‘Prepack’ – liquidating the company and starting again
Addressed PAYE & VAT commitments
Cleared bank debt and ensured directors personal guarantees were not called upon
Freed up the second charge over the commercial site which was held by the bank’s finance subsidiary
Used this second charge more effectively for the company’s new funding requirements
Introduced a well known Invoice Discounter who refinanced the previous bank facility
Refinanced the existing vehicle fleet
Topped up some funds against the second charge, releasing enough funds to fund the new entity going forward saving the director’s house and 60 jobs
The Onlooker says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:50
Send Paul an E-mail CELTICQUICKNEWS@GMAIL.COM
I don’t trust any of them.
The are a Masonic infested midden.
If they win the tax case ,most of their cardiac arrest problems
are solved.
The Gorilla would be dead .
Don’t underestimate the lengths that they
will go to .
They will be our mortal enemies until we
leave them and Scottish football behind.
TT
ernie..,
I suggested it before you were born :o)
blackcatcfc
:oD))))
Assistant referee Steven Craven quits after abuse following Celtic row
• Linesman under fire after Dundee United-Celtic match
• SFA fears further resignations as criticism of officials grows
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Ewan Murray
guardian.co.uk, Monday 25 October 2010 22.49 BST
Article history
The Scottish Football Association fears further resignations from referees and officials after Steven Craven, the assistant referee who overturned a penalty award to Celtic during their game at Dundee United nine days ago, quit today.
The level of abuse Craven has received for that intervention has led him to end his refereeing career, the SFA admitted tonight. “I can confirm that I have met with the relevant match officials and members of the referee departments regarding the events that occurred during the recent match between Dundee United and Celtic,” said Stewart Regan, the SFA’s chief executive. “I can also confirm that Steven Craven has tendered his resignation and will no longer officiate in the professional game. I hope to conclude the investigation within the next 48 hours and will make further comment at that time.”
The SFA believes Craven may not be the last to adopt that stance, with worries growing within Hampden Park over continually negative scrutiny of referees. Kenny Clark, a former top-flight official in Scotland, has claimed that his ex-colleagues have been “receiving letters with razor blades in them and having their windows smashed” by irate fans.
Celtic have made their displeasure with decisions plain recently. The referee for Sunday’s Old Firm derby, Willie Collum, was castigated by the club’s manager Neil Lennon for awarding a dubious penalty to Rangers. The SFA has thus far not publicly backed Collum over his performance
voguepunter says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:02
The Battered Bunnet says:
21 February, 2012 at 10:37
Rogue
Gordon Smith was CEO of the SFA for 3 years. He knows the registrations framework inside out. He’s got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan. He speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he’ll blend in, disappear, you’ll never see him again.
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TBB, you paint wiggy as an almost Jason Bourne like
character,instead of the born liar chancer,he really is .
share
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To borrow a saying from KDS
WOOSH!!!!!!
BTW
Billy McNeil for President of the SFA!!!!
Onlooker
Send paul a message at celticquicknews@googlemail.com asking him to forward your details to said poster asking him to get in touch
Been thinking about Voguepunters excellent piece yesterday and thinking about what effect the huns have had on my life. I’ve got to say I think I’ve probably been luckier than most. There have been occasions when I have had hand-smacking-forehead moments in my life:
I went out with a girl from Ayrshire for a long time who’s dad was a season ticket holder at Snake Mountain and on one occasion having dinner at her parents house with an aunt in attendance, the topic of religion came up, and I said “well I’m a Catholic”, to which her aunt’s response was a derisory “Oh we know that alright”.
A Celtic R*ngers game late ’96 watched with same girl in Curlers on Byres Road which R*ngers won due to a slip from Hannah (I think, there was a lot of beer drunk afterwards) and a goal from Laudrup when a tall Neo-Nazi wannabe with huge black discs in his ear lobes (you could still see him around Byres Road a few years ago) stood and shouted “Come on Scotland, get into this Irish scum” despite Celtic having more Scottish born players in their team than R*ngers, and I don’t think we had any Irish players in the team.
The 4 interviews I’ve had where I’ve been asked which team I support (It really confuses them if you didn’t attend a school starting with St, or if you have a cv like mine that doesn’t require me to enter which school I went to).
But to be honest, my worst experience was after the 1999 Dallas coin game when I attempted to walk back to my car parked off Duke St which meant heading up the hill towards The Louden Tavern. Bear in mind they had just won the league and should have been happy. No, they took this as an excuse to come out of the cesspit and attack innocent people, including women and children. I’ll never forget hearing a scream from a terrified mother trying to run back down the hill away from the animals. Don’t worry though. Strathclyde’s finest intervened and their solution was to stop law abiding people walking up the street to get back to our transport and diverted us around Belgrove. That is the difference. When it comes to football we want to enjoy it and play ‘pure, beautiful, inventive football’. They want to beat us by whatever means, fair, foul or literally.
Would Scotland as a society be better without R*ngers? Undoubtedly. Would Celtic be better outside of Scottish football? I live in hope.
HH
Paul or anyone
Do we know if match delegate included reference to sectarian songs in his match report?
Ghuys go easy on MBB
He told us way back that that he had authorised 14 bits of transfer business in the summer!
We were just too slow to realise that half of them involved transferring players from from Club to Group!
VertWolf
Sorry Bhoys but Regan announcing an investigation into the takeover of Rangers only means he is Campbell Ogilvies messenger boy.
The SFA have to be on top of this.
They have to say to Murray NOPE … he´s a chancer and well you know it St. David
But No
I hope that Reagan is in the give them enough rope category ….. but I have my doubts.
HAil Hail
greenjedi says:
21 February, 2012 at 11:58
GJ It was a joke ,do actually believe that anyone
on here has a good word to say for wiggy?
WOOSH YIRSEL
(My apologies if posted earlier)
A triumph for social media (in Glasgow!)
Head of B2B at Willoughby PR, Tom Leatherbarrow, shares his thoughts on the blog Rangerstaxcase.com.
For those who didn’t get around to reading the Guardian’s excellent article on Saturday about the phenomenal job done by the blog ‘Rangerstaxcase.com.’, I would urge you to make time to give it a read.
Even if you are not a football supporter, there is much to ponder on from the perspective of the performance of traditional media sources and in terms of the impact of social media.
It is a story with multiple themes; alienation of the traditional football fan; a perceived failure on the part of traditional media and the use of social media as a catalyst for the sharing of vital information amongst stakeholders.
For those who don’t have the time let me summarise the story for you here. An anonymous football supporter, ironically not a Rangers supporter, got wind of the tax trouble that Glasgow Rangers was in, but could find no mention of it amongst traditional media outlets.
Instead, traditional media fed its readers, namely the club’s supporters, the usual stories including the building of a super casino and transfer gossip, including, apparently, a ‘link’ to the signing of Cristiano Ronaldo. The result was that many Rangers supporters had little clue that their club owed £70 million to HMRC until last week when it went bust.
In frustration, our anonymous hero set up a blog, ‘rangerstaxcase.com’, and started digging deeper. The blog has ‘broken’ a whole host of stories in relation to the case and now has a daily traffic of over 100,000 views with reader comments coming in at a rate of about 1,500 per day. Bear in mind that these people are not discussing football, they are discussing accounting conventions and insolvency law!
How did this happen? Our hero blames an unholy triangle of trade in which traditional media sources have got too close to the club and felt unable to cover the story for risk of losing their ‘access’.
For the record, I am fully aware of the role that PR has probably played in all of this. PR people at Rangers, let’s assume they were in the know, have been feeding these stories to traditional media outlets, in the guise of ‘doing their job’.
So what can we learn from all of this? Media owners from Rupert Murdoch down have blamed the internet for their woes, but this case begs the question whether certain sections of traditional media are giving readers the information they need and perhaps explains why so many are turning to alternative sources of information.
It must also be remembered that not all traditional media is scared of questioning itself. After all, I read this story in The Guardian. Kudos to them for running it!
http://thedrum.co.uk/opinion/2012/02/21/triumph-social-media-glasgow
Every referee that went on strike should be banned from the game for life.
HAil Hail
It looks to me, at a reading of the SPL regs, that there is no rule on these contracts one way or another … and if I was at Rangers I would argue that makes it pretty near impossible to impose sanctions.
That’s if the story has grounds in the first place. I think the rules are too vague to make this one stick.