Vacancy for a coach to challenge O’Neill orthodoxy

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If/when minds at Celtic get around to considering a replacement for Alan Thompson it would also be wise to recognise the international nature of the game.  Lennon, Mjallby, Parker and Thompson were all football sons of Martin O’Neill, rooted in the domestic tradition of the game (even the Swede).

Football philosophy drifts slowly between national boundaries carried by successful coaches and players.  Right now the ambitious teams in the world are trying to ape the Barcelona/Spain model, the success of which is hard to argue with, but whether we look for a Spanish influence or not, we must surely look for a voice to challenge what the current management team regard as orthodoxy, in all aspects of the job.

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  1. I would imagine that Steve Clarke would be looking for a salary which would be the equivalent of our entire coaching team combined.

  2. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    The best way to make use of Pep’s abilities when he comes to Celtic Park is to put him in charge of youth development, where he can implement the Celtic Model (a modernised and improved version of the Barca Model).

     

     

    Risking short term success but pretty much guaranteeing future success in European competition within 5 years.

  3. PeteTheBeat

     

    in Maradona’s biography, he talks about Mexico 86

     

    says that 3 months before the tournament, they went on a super strict, super severe trainin program – clearly, it helped that side to hang on for a 3-2 victory over an almost-as-fit West German side in the final

     

    also, young Portuguese Ronaldo talks about it being sheer hard graft that has got him to where he is today

     

    he and el diego are/were ably assisted of course by

     

    being extremely talented

     

    sand-dunesCSC

  4. If Platini’s Financial Fair Play comes to pass, the best league in Europe, where the top teams appear to live within their means and do not carry hundreds of millions in debt, will surely the Bundesliga. With a bit of luck Bayern would have won the CL, they are far superior on every level to Chelsea.

     

    Within Germany, the attention to tactics, fitness and skill far surpass that in the EPL where the reliance is simply on buying success. Spanish clubs are mostly laden with debt and Italy is sinking in scandal after scandal.

     

    Germany is perhaps a good place to find coaching and football inspiration?

  5. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    Is it not the case that if you type China into Google it blows up the Oriental internet and smashes up posh tea sets ??

  6. Wasnt that long ago we were debating as to why we had 4 coaches for the first team and what they actually do (or did)

     

    Maybe im just thick but Im still unclear on this,

     

    Lenny is the first team coach

     

    Mjallby is a first team coach, so withThommo gone weve got two first team coaches,

     

    Gary Parker is associated with the first team but possibly not as a coach, does anyone know in what capacity Gary operates in the first team structure, admittedly he does hand out a mean bib pre match.

     

    I can see why Pep would be keen on a move to Glasgow, no work pressure here for him, no outside influences wanting to know what school he went to, what his politics are…

  7. TopCorner

     

     

    I think I read somewhere that it has been alleged that Ajax were giving their players some illegal substances.

     

     

    Who know? They certainly were ultra aggressive (in a legal sense) about getting the ball back when they had lost it.

     

     

    I sometimes wonder about our boys. Maybe it’s the main reason we’ve done so poorly in Europe in recent years.

  8. TopCorner on 5 June, 2012 at 14:40

     

     

    Diego has now swopped the ultra strict argentinian diet for the ultra strict mccoistygreggs diet.

  9. One man I could never stand for what reason I don’t know but when he commentates he had great knowledge of players on show and that’s David pleat. What’s thoughts on him ?

     

     

    I would like someone with bit of experience but can’t think of any choices right now

     

     

    Proud of my country proud of my people

  10. I remember the eagerly anticipated “Celtic Story” at the Pavillion, a few years back

     

     

    Packed to the rafters filled with celebrities Dorothy Paul, Jimmy Logan, Peter Mullan even “Stookie” had a lead role to play.

     

     

    What a night great laugh, joyous glee, what a story, the greatest football club in the world, all under the ole Pavillion lights.

     

     

    There was this huge prop Birthday Cake and all week we’d been told a special Celtic person popped out at the end of the show to take a bow, and receive the plaudits of the crowd.

     

     

    Who would it be on our big night – a Henrik figure says me to the wife no, says she

     

    it’ll be a Lubo?.

     

     

    I’ll never forget the feeling of anti climax as Tommy Craig’s wee face peeped out from the cake, with his ‘walk on’ scarf.

     

     

    An assistant’s life is tough at the top.

  11. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    Watching that Daily Show clip on the current propaganda weekend reminds me of a cracker from a royal correspondent on the BBC during whosever that wedding was recently…..”Her majesty the queen is responsible for the internet…by donating thousands of pounds to it”. (I kid you not).

     

     

    This was about 6 months before RTC appeared on the scene. 6 months to process the funding, gather the information, get the website up and running. Clearly, Lizzie is the mysterious RTC blogger. Makes sense. She wants her money. Just don’t tell the huns her full address please. Ta.

  12. Please don’t give me pelters,but any time I have seen The Bhoys play the ‘big guns’ in European games,though we could match them in a footballing sense,in the end it was the opposition’s superior fitness levels that ran us out of steam.

     

    Only in MON’s time,in the modern era,did we look a fitter side. Perhaps that was some of what he brought.

     

    So,maybe that’s what we need today; someone with a fitness & dietary regime that can help realise Lenny’s (and ours!) dream of getting to the apex of Euro football.

     

    HH!

  13. googybhoy ♥ Celtic and the Lisbon Lions on 5 June, 2012 at 14:27 said:

     

    James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 5 June, 2012 at 14:23said:

     

     

    Breaking Bad News

     

     

    Series 4 out today in US. On Amazon

     

    Series 5 to be aired shortly on US tv in two parts this year and next.

     

    ………….

     

    Googybhoy I posted yesterday that Derryghirl got a tweet from one of the BB actors that season 6 is being shout Oct/ Nov this year, whilst another poster said that BB series 5 is being aired on 15th July in the US there will be plenty of links to it.

     

    Hx2

  14. The Battered Bunnet on

    Surprised Sutty hasn’t been mentioned yet, not least as Lenny mentioned talking to him about the idea a couple of years ago, only for Sutty to take on Lincoln City (for a short time)

     

     

    That said, I agree with Paul that we would benefit from a challenge to the current coaching thinking.

  15. miki67

     

     

    I think that Gordon Strachan may disagree with your analysis mate.

  16. 67Heaven ... I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice will always prevail on

    kitalba on 5 June, 2012 at 09:47 said:

     

     

    Absolutely brilliant ‘evidence’ of what the LL are all about …….. I remember reading the casino one and thinking……… They won’t get too many Global Brand investors once the behaviour / mentality / culture of their fans is reviewed ……… What actually transpired surrounding their pipe dream was absolutely hilarious ………. Thank you for bringing back happy memories…..LOL

     

     

    …..and they (LL) are repeating it all again with their shoite on what should happen now to the football? Club which has arrogantly shafted Scottish Football for at least 12 years ……whit are they like …….. I can just see the little LL journalists all sitting in a wee room now…….. ” How the feck to we get them out of this mess”………..

     

     

    This is mega retribution, thanks to Paul, PHIL, RTC, NEIL, The Celtic Board for their very very well managed monitoring of the situation, and EVERY Celtic supporter in the World…….

     

     

    No matter how the LL tart it up, the bhuns are finished as a force in football, and their reputation is now non-existent ……….each your heart out RIA, onwards and upwards Celtic / Scottish Football ……… I CANNOT WAIT FOR NEXT SEASON TO START…

     

     

    TRUTH AND JUSTICE WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL….!!!!!

  17. hamiltontim on 5 June, 2012 at 14:59 said:

     

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    Aye….I know…and I recognise I’m no expert,bein’ an armchair critic and all that,but I just think that in today’s game (when it’s not being bent to bits by that lot and mibbery) superior fitness and expert dietary advice play a huge role when going for glory in Europe while keeping ahead domestically. HH.

  18. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on

    miki67

     

     

    Not convinced about that.

     

     

    For me the main obstacle is poor opposition playing anti football week after week season after season, badly administered by one of the oddest cliques in football administration. The decline of the Scottish national team’s standing is testimony to that.

     

     

    Can’t think of any other club of our stature who has this nonsense to contend with.

  19. BeijingBhoysBrigade on

    Interesting idea Paul.

     

     

    I reckon that Lenny is already thinking along those lines. After the end of the season, did he not go to Lille for a couple of weeks to learn about their different training methods?

     

     

    Regarding Martin O’Neill orthodoxy, I remember one criticism that was sometimes levelled at MON teams, was that they were too one dimensional. If we want to make any kind of inroads in Europe we have to play able to change our style of play, maybe even twice in a game. MON’s teams were outstanding at set pieces, and his teams were always full of 6foot plus players, giving any opposition a nightmare in who to pick up in the box. The defence however, was slow, and we got more often than not, shown up (particularly away) in Europe. I know everyone bangs on aboot this, but what we really really really need is a centre back (maybe 2) with pace. Someone who essentially can defend well, but who is quick. The money we have at our disposal, won’t be enough to get defenders who have both of these qualities AND can play/pass the ball out of defence. But if we have centre backs who are quick and strong, they can then get the ball and gie it to say Mulgrew or Kayal, who can definitely pick a pass.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  20. Googybhooy

     

     

    Who knows how these things work?

     

    But anyway here in OZ S4 finished end of April on Foxtel then was on DVD shortly after, just the best show I have seen in this somewhat unnoticed golden age of television shun!

     

    Who needs the cinema with regurgitated crap and obscenely priced popped corn and fizzy sugar?

     

     

    HH

     

     

    HH

  21. Fortunes Favour Mibbes on 5 June, 2012 at 15:05 said:

     

    >>>

     

    Yes….there’s all that,too.

     

    Domestically,teams just park the bus when playing us,and only try to attack on the break…when they’re not hackin’ us to bits.

  22. miki67

     

     

    Strachan by all accounts was a strict disciplinarian and a large part of his regime was built on diet and fitness. Under his tenure we reached the dizzy heights of the last 16 of the Champion’s League on two occasions.

     

     

    In my opinion this was done with a poorer standard of player than MON had at his disposal during his time in charge. I think that this is testimony to the fitness and organisation which was in place whilst WGS was at the helm. I don’t ever recall us running out of steam just that we were beaten by better, more skillful players.

     

     

    Only my opinion mind.

  23. Paul

     

     

    Not sure I get this post, or what you’re thinking of: the complexion of the a manager/head coach’s backroom staff will be a reflection of what the manager/head coach is comfortable with: in my mind it would be needlessly risky to coax a coach to move out of his natural comfort zone.

     

     

    Different strokes for different folks, and all that.

     

     

    Thinking of some of the acclaimed managers of the recent past: Stein, Shankley, Paisley, Busby, Clough, Robson, Ferguson, Wenger, O’Neil, Murinho, Guardiola: each had a distinctive modus operandi …

     

     

    Not that you’re advising Lenny, but what is it you’re suggesting he should do … ?

     

     

    FF

  24. BeijingBhoysBrigade on

    Miki67

     

     

    Have to disagree, I think WGS teams were fitter. The football at times wasn’t always great, but questioning his players fitness is one thing i don’t think you can level at him. I’m sure during his tenure as manager, we pulled off quite a few last minute Edward Woodward’s and match winning goals (including Europe), which our history is totally steeped in.

     

     

    Hail Hail

  25. Just received this postcard from Hector…

     

     

    Dear TC

     

    Havin a lovely time here in Honolulu

     

    Weather terrific, beach nearby, ice-cream the finest

     

    Had a nice round of golf the other day.

     

    Missing home but won’t be rushing

     

    back any time soon.

     

    Next up, Tokyo.

     

    Yours, Hector The Taxman.

     

    ____

     

     

    I sent him an SMS in reply…

     

     

    Thanks for the postcard, Hector.

     

    Glad you’re havin a good time.

     

    Nothin much hapnin back at home.

     

    Take it easy. Enjoy Tokyo.

     

    Say hi to Mr Inamoto for me.

     

    All the best, TC.

     

     

    :)

  26. I dont see where this “lennon is no tactician” comes from!

     

     

    When we got beat 3-2 by Rangers (ia) their 2 full backs Wallace and Whittaker had a field day bombing forward, with McCabe in midfield spraying passes about.

     

     

    Fast forward 4 weeks……

     

     

    Lenny changes his tactics, our 2 full backs play high up the pitch occupying their full backs to the extent that they are not going forward. Also McCabe was harrassed everytime he got the ball.

     

     

    Result 3-0 Celtic.

     

     

    Tactically won by Lenny.

     

     

    SffS

  27. Hamiltontim@15:11

     

     

    Hard to argue with your analysis mate….

     

     

    I always felt WGS never got 100% backing from ALL the fans but maybe his in yer face demeanour had something to do with it, I dunno but personally the style of his teams football was just OK to me, not inspiring.

     

    And nothing to do with the “Celtic minded” bullshit.

     

    HH

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