If/when minds at Celtic get around to considering a replacement for Alan Thompson it would also be wise to recognise the international nature of the game. Lennon, Mjallby, Parker and Thompson were all football sons of Martin O’Neill, rooted in the domestic tradition of the game (even the Swede).
Football philosophy drifts slowly between national boundaries carried by successful coaches and players. Right now the ambitious teams in the world are trying to ape the Barcelona/Spain model, the success of which is hard to argue with, but whether we look for a Spanish influence or not, we must surely look for a voice to challenge what the current management team regard as orthodoxy, in all aspects of the job.
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My youngest is a 99 having just completed his second year of
11’s this being his first competative.
Some of the kids in his team a very decent outfit in the Lanarkshire leagues
still cant pass the ball the width of the pitch on bigger parks.
In addition when moving to a league this season I found a lot of the the others kids/coaches attitude stank.
Although previously was not always smiles it was still a bounce game now its competative how things have changed and not for the better.
I remember reading McGeady was pulled out of 7s games because he was to good, despite complaints from his Dad.
Sometime ball players shine well above everyone else, we’ve all been there you get the ball beat every player in the opposition 2 times then score, then repeat. Ball players are special and the whole football programme shouldn’t be based around them as they are unique and rare.
gscbhoy (they ARE a dead parrot) on 5 June, 2012 at 17:07 said:
At least we agree on the nonsense pro youth set up where children are being limited to the amount of football they’re playing!!
From what you’ve said about your coaching methods, pass it don’t humph it, then at least there is evidence that the game is still being taught the correct way. I also think that you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned red ash pitches. The facilities in this country are an absolute joke and have hardly improved in 30 years. Many of these pitches don’t actually have any ash left on them either.
Timabhouy on 5 June, 2012 at 17:11 said:
greenlion2
Summer book club:
The law and taxation of remuneration trust
by Paul Baxendale – walker
He also does videos
Brilliant
My dear,dear,dear,friend.. WGS
Hiya,palomine?
Nice tae meetya.
Yep. .. It sure diz look like you are correct, on that presumed assumption.
Ah always,felt that Fraser, wiz Too “English” … tae fit in..
wi’ Celtic.
Ah know that Ah am Bein’ Bad Bhoy, tae say such a Thing.. but, Ah
dinna care.
Some Players are like that.. Some are No.
But, In Ma opinion.. Fraser is.
He.. Fraser.. Wants tae Play fur England…and He is becoming mair and mair Convinced that as long as he is Playing In Scotland.. he wull be ignored.
Good Luck ,tae him..
He is a Good Goalie..
Howevah..
Ah still Maintain that Cool Haun Look, wid Fit right intae oor Set-up.. nae bother.. if .. or.. when.. Fraser Goes.
Cool Haun,is a Good Goalie.
In Ma Opinion, we dinna need tae look any further/father than He… fur a Ready Made. Replacement , fur.. Fraser.
Kojo
Yer pal..who likes ye aloater..
Still Laughin’
I don’t know the answer ,on what is the best coaching methods,but over the years I have seen a lot of SFA development coaches at work.Most I wouldn’t give the time of day to.They have not got a mind of their own,not an original thought in their heads.But what do I know,only an opinion.
Pullman, trilogy of books, “His Dark Materials”.
Northern Lights, The Subtle Knife and the Amber Spyglass.
They about the struggle between God(the Authority, the Church and freedom of choice)
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The books are very good, but never thought them very anti god or preachy (is that right) it was only after the movie was released that the atheist angle was pushed.
Pullman is an atheist but I don’t think it over the top in his books,
books good movie horrible
Though is you want proper fantasy then try David Eddings, Terry Goodkind and Robert Gordon (some thing like 15 books, then he dies without finishing)
Cultsbhoy
Pretending all kids are the same is delusional… I find this generally only applies to football as there are other sporting opportunities where trophies and medals are awarded.
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Totally agree.
I remember when I started football coaching , I was given an interesting bit of advice by a fellow coach.
‘When the school chooses the chess team , they choose the best players
When the school puts on a drama show they choose the best singers
When they put on an art show etc,
So why should football be different ?’
My personal view is that youth football should be about development and fun , and my personal ‘solution’ was to play competitively in cup games and for enjoyment in the development games.
Good discussion on youth football, thanks to Cultsbhoy.
I think we need to separate out two different strands:
1) Recreational football
2) Player development
If you want player development you need to stream the talent. Good coaching time is limited, and just as in any other learning environment, the pace of learning is determined by the ability to understand and use increasingly complex ideas and skills. The rate of development becomes tied to the average rate of learning, which ultimately ‘holds back’ the most promising kids.
For recreational football the objective should primarily be on fun, with the added benefits of social and team aspects being learned naturally by the kids as a corollary. ‘Fun’ of course means different things at different ages, but there is no doubting the pointlessness of putting a 4’6″ goalkeeper under an 8′ cross bar, or indeed, expecting 11 year old boys to be able to reach the halfway line with a bye kick. (I have never looked for the stats, but I bet the most common cause of a goal lost at under 11 is a bye kick)
There are though good stats on ball time in 7s V 11s. At under 13 level in a 11s game on a full size pitch, the average player touches the ball once every 3 minutes. In an 80 minute game that isn’t a lot of touches! In a 7s game at the same age it’s 3 times as much.
Until the average recreational player can hit a corner to head height at the back post the game should be played on a smaller pitch. 7s is successful in this regard, and I would welcome its extension until under 14 at least. I have no expereince of the 9s format, and would welcome views.
The issue becomes difficult at the cross-over from recreational to developmental football.
While Pro-youth clubs are taking in kids to development centres from age 7 and 8, they remain with their clubs/schools until 9 years of age, following which there is an almighty churn of boys coming into pro-youth and being returned to recreational. Kids grow at different rates and there are many examples of good kids at 9 or 10 losing touch with their peer group, only to re-emerge at 15 or 16 once the grow curve has closed the atheltic gap.
How do we accommodate a need on the one hand for kids to have fun, while recognising that there are real benefits to maintaining a high standard at club/school level for those kids in transition between one purpose and the other?
The idea that ‘non-competitive’ means an absence of competition is a Derek Johnstone level misunderatanding. You cannot stop kids competing, that’s the human condition, and indeed, their conditioning. Non-competitive simply means no prizes, no medals, no nightmares when the penalty shootout has finally determined which 10 year old is to be the victim.
What we need is a structure that streams at club/school level, such that the games are competitive, the kids learning at their optimum rate, without the triumph and disaster element. In this regard, noting results at one age group and streaming the following year is easily done. Getting rid of it, if this is what Cultsbhoy is telling us, seems a regressive step for kids football in Aberdeen, and sounds as though the Council just can’t be bothered figuring out the pitch allocations.
I’m in my mid forties and played a lot of football. I was on the receiving end of some major humping in my primary and secondary school days.
It was part of life.
Back then their was a tier system in place. If you weren’t good enough you found a team at a slightly lesser level. We’re in danger of building a generation of everyone’s a winner kids. I appreciate that the world has changed but winners often have to be pushed.
Sometime you have to be cruel to be kind.
I have two regrets in my football life.Injuries (broken ankle twice by 16) and mitre mouldmasters.
Doc is Neil Lennon on 5 June, 2012 at 17:01 said:
Greenlion2 on 5 June, 2012 at 16:30 said:
Bhoys, Pullman stated publicly that his books were anti-Christian. He seems to have a particular distaste for Rome.
Just sayin’ like…
HH
Paul67 et al
For all its’ efforts football coaching has yet to replicate, far less improve upon, the skills young Scottish children developed themselves in a street, playground, wasteland environment up until the 1970s. Too much time and energy is wasted trying to “teach” basic skills which should be self taught. As for team sizes, they are largely irrelevant, key is to restrict the amount of space available to the players, and to make the size of the goals realistic. Field hockey goals are far more suitable up to fifteen or sixteen years old, as are maximum three quarter size pitches. For all their success, and they have played in good company, I am not convinced by Celtic’s youth development programme, and judging from the number of players we release at under age level, neither are Celtic. Even so, the progress of Forrest, and the introduction of both McGeouch and Watt have got to give encouragement, both to us, and to the young players who we have persuaded to sign with us. Congratulations to Mark Miller by the way, on his move to Dundee United. Stephen Pressley deserves a lot of credit there.
Just read this on RTC..
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Fifa cont ”…involved with it being back within the sporting system which is in accordance with our own statutes.”
Does this mean FIFA are happy with whatever the SFA is proposing to do or have I missed the point, and did we know this already?
Gooooood Evening from the Turquoise Coast hot and nice !
A foreign coach ? “Andreas Thom”.
I wish I had went to the same Catholic school as McGeady and McGeoch then as my own schools primary and secondary were utterly hopeless at teaching football,not once where we sat down and showed on a blackboard what the 11 positions in a team were,not once were we told the basic functions of these positions,I’m sure there are also many techniques involved in ball control yet never were we shown anything,like many I played football day and night yet knew nothing in terms of basic technical knowledge,teachers would be content to let you pick two teams amongst yourselves and get on with it like we did outside school,utterly pathetic when I look back,I remember trying my luck at two boys clubs outside school,didn’t even get the chance to play games there was that many kids there,maybe had something to do with my surname I don’t know but I loved playing,I personally blame the the school,the set up for teaching football was ridiculous.
garcia lorca
just spent the weekend in putney in a housing association flat – (only one in the road). There was a street party run by mainly non – English residents (fairly well to do). My English in-laws had tickets to the flotilla but couldn’t be arsed going to that or the street party. The whole thing’s becoming a party brand like Elvis.The only thing they’ve ever been interested in is money. Got to see the Rosetta Stone though.
Here’s to all the carers and care workers out there !
the_huddle on 5 June, 2012 at 17:21 said:
I agree, they weren’t too preachy, nor anti-church.
If you read them with an open mind they may inform how you think about God, authority, political control etc.
By “you” I mean any reader, not yourself.
Agree about the movie, terrible film, totally missed the point.
As was suspected FIFA will let SFA (or any governing body) do what they want until they complain to FIFA or UEFA.
So once the SFA complain all will be right with the world, join me in holding your breath
Not been on for a while. A long while actually.
Has anyone raised the fact that the valuation of RIA’s assets is criminally low and is a clear attempt to avoid liquidation being the best deal for creditors.
Allegedly of course!!
Meant to add to my last comment.
When I was playing for a boys club at primary 7 age group we would have got lynched for not looking for a pass.Our centre backs were encouraged to find a midfielder.
We were expected to win and if we didn’t we spent time at training talking about what went wrong.This was the late 70s and we weren’t any different to most other teams.
There are some who believe that Ernie Walker’s think tank invented the game at schools level. The better players usually always react well to competition and the chance to improve.
Good early evening Celts, I heard that her maj/ Queenie is on the box at 6pm, here’s the dilemma…. I like tradition and at 6pm I always watch the Simpsons….. What do I do? Watch Queenie or Bart…. It’s a tuffy…..
Hx2
“The Glass Bead Game” by Herman Hesse.
“The City and The City” by China Miéville.
“Transition” by Iain Banks.
“The Shadow of The Wind” by Carlos Ruiz Zafon.
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Anyway…just watched “Haywire”…thought it would be good because Steven Soderbergh directed it,and it had a good sounding premise and cast…well,every director has to helm some crap.
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Who was it said,” A day without football is not worth living.” ?
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Roll on The Euros and the new season!
:-)
Sunburst
Yes, it has been noted that Ibrokes prosperously once valued at £100m suddenly dipped to £5m.
It’s amazing what extinction can do.
George Best said it best he played a league game like he played a school playground game, the great players are great no matter what.
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
Terry Pratchett
Clashcitybhoy on 5 June, 2012 at 16:35 said:
My recollection he should have brought him down and would have
… If he could get near him :)
He was caught too far forward chasing the clinching goal…too close to Sno who had pushed forward
lacked the recovery pace required to do the needful
However, not having a go at all, as he was up against the top class player in the world at that time
The finish was top, top class
I was as upset as everyone else but sometimes you have to acknowledge class
kaka was class
HH
M
Vmhan
Stick with your tradition
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Always worth a re-post. From the comments section in an article about rfcia’s maladministration in The Scotsman the other day:
“Hector can raise an injunction to prevent Ibrox and Murray Park being sold to the Newco for £5 million on three grounds: (1) It has been proved that none of Whyte’s own money went into the purchase of RFC. The argument which flows from this is that he cannot have any rights “in the goods” from a Scots Law standpoint, meaning they should have stayed in the Oldco. (2) The Phoenix principle via which any action to move assets between entities so as to deliberately deprive creditors of what they are owed is not allowed, in fact its also gives rise to criminal proceedings for fraud. (3) By allowing this the administrators are failing in their statutory duty to do their best for the creditors. The net valuation is a clear fiddle. The redeployment value was established at £20 million in late February.”
miki67 on 5 June, 2012 at 17:36 said:
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Who was it said,” A day without football is not worth living.” ?
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Roll on The Euros and the new season!
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I was contemplating June being my dry month, was at work talking about the Euro starting in first week in July, great surprise when it was pointed out the next Friday was the 1st game, ah bliss I struggle without football and booze (sad i know)
Steviebhoy, that would make your mind full, rather than empty;-)
Vmhan
Bob to attention Proms style (Kill them all! sorry, tourrettes) with your Charles & Di teacup at 6, Chan 4+1 for the Simpsons at 7.
solutionscsc
I only have experience of secondary schools football but definitely agree with smaller size pitches and goals even up to U 13’s. I remember one U 13 game in a howling gale where our Goalkeeper couldn’t clear the area with goal kicks against the wind. The ref wisely ignored the screams of the opposition parents every time one of our defenders played a ball that hadn’t cleared our area from a goal kick. Needless to say it was a different story in the second half.
Doc is Neil Lennon on 5 June, 2012 at 17:40 said:
Steviebhoy, that would make your mind full, rather than empty;-)
There I go again, confusing ‘open’ and ’empty’. Whit ma like!
HH
Brings back memories of arguments that until our weather improves we’ll be poor at sports, its a basic premise but the Aussies are good cos it’s sunny :O
the_huddle
Easy for George to say – Busby coached the rest and left Best free do his thing on the park. Pity he didn’t have a reverse strategy off it.
Thank god for CQN. Just woke up in Sydney where it is 2.40am. Totally jet lagged but wide awake. Reading at this time will be much better than my usual night shift.
As for the Kaka goal. It was class but we should have had a penalty on 86 mins when Naka was bowled over.
A Simple Act of Violence by RJ Ellory, (or indeed any of his books but this one is special.)
Anything by Robert Harris but particularly his books about Cicero.
Greg Iles, William Lashner, George RR Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire saga on which Game of Thrones is based.
James Ellroy’s American Tabloid particularly for anyone interested in the Kennedy/Ruby/Marilyn/Mob/ Cuban exiles connections in the 60’s is outstanding and a real eye opener. Some of it makes Hollywood Babylon seem tame.
I would also recommend The Magic Christian by Terry Southern, if you are down in the dumps and needing an injection of humour.
These are books which immediately spring to mind.
I was going to recommend Cormac McCarthy. He is one of the best around but very much an acquired taste.
Think that’s enough to be going on with for the moment.
The ethos of the likes of Minty et al :
“For the powerful, crimes are those that others commit.” – Noam Chomsky.